Hamsterdam (Ex-players, s***posts, beef, etc.) Continued

[Im Coming Home]

Most people here agree, yet they're still somehow here after posting homophobic images and just overall doing the same stuff they've been doing for 3+ years now. I mean they had to get their own thread created because they couldn't stop mentioning former players. I just don't understand it, they must have some dirt on the mods at this point. Only explanation, especially when more long time standing posters have gotten banned for much much less.

Taking this post to Hamsterdam which, it should be clear to you now, was not just meant for one poster. I'm keeping this in public as I think some of this response will be informative to other posters in how to best interact with the team. But also because it started public and when you're on the team you can't really defend yourself here without deepening the issue. In my retirement leisure however...



Dude, when you file a report you need to give the mod team a minute to cook. These indicting attacks and PMs on the mod team do nothing but prolong action because then they have to address them in addition to considering the reported posts etc. The above is a board violation of "backseat moderating" which could, and given the nature of the attacks probably should, get _you_ dinged. Same with firing back at the offender (derailment and often personal attacks), where mods then have to look at the composite of actions instead of just the instigator, assuming the instigator is even the reported post in question.

With that, a response can't happen immediately. Once the report is filed, a mod needs to be on the forum to see it. From there, if a mod thinks it requires greater action than we can administer (we can only ban up to 12 hrs on our own), we bring it to the team, bring it to Howard, and wait on his availability to take action. Then we have to deal with blowback on the board often including multiple PMs sent to our entire team, where we have to discuss who sent what to whom and ensure we're responding in cohesion. In total, each incident can amount to literally hours of work per mod. We're not on here 24/7 and we don't always have hours of time at our disposal.



It was a PM chain from you that was the culminating instance that led to me throwing in the towel as a mod. My daughter, who has severe anxiety, and I had woken up at 430 in the morning to fly back east to visit our nephew for the first time. We ended up missing our flight and had to rebook on a multi-stop flight plan that landed us at midnight, meaning we didn't get to bed until about 2am. So almost a full day in transit. So partway through the trek I log in and see a bunch of reports and go to the threads and find that both sides have made posts that warrant action and it's like - do I spend my time in the airport ignoring my exhausted, stressed daughter as we go through this tough day to clean up the thread and then deal with the aftermath... or not. Then when I'm finally up in the morning and able to spend a little time on this I open my PMs to an indicting, personal PM like the message above from you and it's like... why am I doing this. I'm not getting paid. The hours and hours I put in gaining support for this thread and trying to clean up the forum afterwards still lead to that kind of disrespect accusing me of being paid off or dirty somehow. So I didn't. There was a second (third?) PM that I didn't even open. I went and spent time with my brother, met my nephew, and went about my vacation day.

That wasn't the first straw by any means but it was the last straw and I decided I wasn't going to do it anymore. Like in law enforcement, mods spend 95% of our time on like 5% of the posters who are allegedly part of this community. Grown ass men who get into unceasing squabbles over crap posted on a basketball message board and have to call in the po po to handle it while the rest of the community dwindles, largely in part to that dynamic. Like... just file the report and stop engaging.


From there, give these mods time to cook and if you do have to touch base, do it with respect that they're dealing with this **** when they can. Don't give 'em any reason to look at your actions and if you have to blow off steam... copy and paste that **** over here where by and large mods won't touch it.



This thread should be poppin', frankly. A huge percentage of the posts I've seen lately belong here, if anywhere.

All good Cap I talked to JFGully today about it all and we have a positive discussion.

The whole "give mods time to cook" thing is a bit misleading too as plenty of people have followed mods request to "report the post and things will get done" yet it's been going on for 3+ years and it feels like no action taken multiple times. I'm not the only poster who felt like we were being ignored over and over again through the years when the people clearly were breaking rules, being toxic and antagonizing others and they would still be posting the next day. I've seen mods issue warnings in public to posters saying last warning and then they continue to act the same way and get another last warning over and over.

But as I said I talked to JVGully and it was a positive discussion about PMing mods instead of being public about grievances.

[spree2kawhi]

The few Randle Stans on here are just delusional. First time to the ECF's in decades and they'd rather give a proven playoff choke artist a max extension that would hinder our squad for years. You guys are just going to die on that hill no matter what the common sense crowd says. I just don't understand the blind loyalty to a player that quits on his teammates year after year, slaps laptops out of coaches hands on national tv and gives his fans the middle finger, all while recently admitting that the NY spotlight affected his mental state and gameplay here. What am I missing that causes you few to follow him around like he's the messiah?

It's a desperate need to be right, so that they can be like "See, I told you" but using Randle as your primary driving force behind that is insane. The fact he had a complete and utter dud against the Thunder is hilarious, and how they're trying to sweep it under the rug like he wasn't awful is even better. We've reached a point where time travel or alternate universes are part of the discussion, "Imagine if Randle was healthy last year we would have won the title" as though he wasn't healthy this year and didn't just **** the bed in the WCF Sorry, if you need Avengers Endgame levels of breaking the space time continuum to support your point it's probably because reality hasn't gone your way.

Yeah it had been pathetic before, but it is absolutely nuts to still be keeping it up.

[spree2kawhi]

Well the majority of those 6 picks went in the Mikal trade and I was very much against it.

This has barely anything to do with the KAT trade, if it's the KAT trade we're assessing.

Mikal didn't make All-Star, All-NBA, All-Defense and the impact metrics don't like him. The opposite of KAT. I think you can tell where the offseason went wrong.

but you're using team results to assess kat vs randle. so you have to factor in the picks. as we didn't just do player for player trades. even in the kat trade another quality nba player and a pick were included. it's really not clear that we're any better off.

And as I mentioned I think the team was worse off by losing Hartenstein and getting Mikal. So we were at a deficit talent-wise compared to last year before the KAT trade even went down.

I think the upgrade from Randle and Divo to KAT is one of the main reasons we were even able to win 50 games to begin with.

Listen I know you're big on common sense which is something I always appreciated about your posts.

I personally think it's common sense that getting - literally, not theoretically - an All-Star, All-NBA big who impact metrics paint favorably and who can play center (unlike Randle) when we had no center to start the year was an upgrade. You don't even need the team results to come to that conclusion, but that they were positive sort of puts a ribbon on the discussion imo, regardless of the external noise.

Context is only of interest when it helps one’s cause.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Most people here agree, yet they're still somehow here after posting homophobic images and just overall doing the same stuff they've been doing for 3+ years now. I mean they had to get their own thread created because they couldn't stop mentioning former players. I just don't understand it, they must have some dirt on the mods at this point. Only explanation, especially when more long time standing posters have gotten banned for much much less.

Taking this post to Hamsterdam which, it should be clear to you now, was not just meant for one poster. I'm keeping this in public as I think some of this response will be informative to other posters in how to best interact with the team. But also because it started public and when you're on the team you can't really defend yourself here without deepening the issue. In my retirement leisure however...



Dude, when you file a report you need to give the mod team a minute to cook. These indicting attacks and PMs on the mod team do nothing but prolong action because then they have to address them in addition to considering the reported posts etc. The above is a board violation of "backseat moderating" which could, and given the nature of the attacks probably should, get _you_ dinged. Same with firing back at the offender (derailment and often personal attacks), where mods then have to look at the composite of actions instead of just the instigator, assuming the instigator is even the reported post in question.

With that, a response can't happen immediately. Once the report is filed, a mod needs to be on the forum to see it. From there, if a mod thinks it requires greater action than we can administer (we can only ban up to 12 hrs on our own), we bring it to the team, bring it to Howard, and wait on his availability to take action. Then we have to deal with blowback on the board often including multiple PMs sent to our entire team, where we have to discuss who sent what to whom and ensure we're responding in cohesion. In total, each incident can amount to literally hours of work per mod. We're not on here 24/7 and we don't always have hours of time at our disposal.



It was a PM chain from you that was the culminating instance that led to me throwing in the towel as a mod. My daughter, who has severe anxiety, and I had woken up at 430 in the morning to fly back east to visit our nephew for the first time. We ended up missing our flight and had to rebook on a multi-stop flight plan that landed us at midnight, meaning we didn't get to bed until about 2am. So almost a full day in transit. So partway through the trek I log in and see a bunch of reports and go to the threads and find that both sides have made posts that warrant action and it's like - do I spend my time in the airport ignoring my exhausted, stressed daughter as we go through this tough day to clean up the thread and then deal with the aftermath... or not. Then when I'm finally up in the morning and able to spend a little time on this I open my PMs to an indicting, personal PM like the message above from you and it's like... why am I doing this. I'm not getting paid. The hours and hours I put in gaining support for this thread and trying to clean up the forum afterwards still lead to that kind of disrespect accusing me of being paid off or dirty somehow. So I didn't. There was a second (third?) PM that I didn't even open. I went and spent time with my brother, met my nephew, and went about my vacation day.

That wasn't the first straw by any means but it was the last straw and I decided I wasn't going to do it anymore. Like in law enforcement, mods spend 95% of our time on like 5% of the posters who are allegedly part of this community. Grown ass men who get into unceasing squabbles over crap posted on a basketball message board and have to call in the po po to handle it while the rest of the community dwindles, largely in part to that dynamic. Like... just file the report and stop engaging.


From there, give these mods time to cook and if you do have to touch base, do it with respect that they're dealing with this **** when they can. Don't give 'em any reason to look at your actions and if you have to blow off steam... copy and paste that **** over here where by and large mods won't touch it.



This thread should be poppin', frankly. A huge percentage of the posts I've seen lately belong here, if anywhere.

for what it's worth, i thought you were the best and most fair mod here

no hate or anything intended to the other ones

[BKlutch]

Most people here agree, yet they're still somehow here after posting homophobic images and just overall doing the same stuff they've been doing for 3+ years now. I mean they had to get their own thread created because they couldn't stop mentioning former players. I just don't understand it, they must have some dirt on the mods at this point. Only explanation, especially when more long time standing posters have gotten banned for much much less.

Taking this post to Hamsterdam which, it should be clear to you now, was not just meant for one poster. I'm keeping this in public as I think some of this response will be informative to other posters in how to best interact with the team. But also because it started public and when you're on the team you can't really defend yourself here without deepening the issue. In my retirement leisure however...



Dude, when you file a report you need to give the mod team a minute to cook. These indicting attacks and PMs on the mod team do nothing but prolong action because then they have to address them in addition to considering the reported posts etc. The above is a board violation of "backseat moderating" which could, and given the nature of the attacks probably should, get _you_ dinged. Same with firing back at the offender (derailment and often personal attacks), where mods then have to look at the composite of actions instead of just the instigator, assuming the instigator is even the reported post in question.

With that, a response can't happen immediately. Once the report is filed, a mod needs to be on the forum to see it. From there, if a mod thinks it requires greater action than we can administer (we can only ban up to 12 hrs on our own), we bring it to the team, bring it to Howard, and wait on his availability to take action. Then we have to deal with blowback on the board often including multiple PMs sent to our entire team, where we have to discuss who sent what to whom and ensure we're responding in cohesion. In total, each incident can amount to literally hours of work per mod. We're not on here 24/7 and we don't always have hours of time at our disposal.

Wow, most of us love the Board, but it's clear how much of yourself you gave on our behalf making this place better for us. I always thought you did a great job as a mod, but it's clear you made the right choice for your family. Glad you've stayed around to keep us miscreants in line, though

It was a PM chain from you that was the culminating instance that led to me throwing in the towel as a mod. My daughter, who has severe anxiety, and I had woken up at 430 in the morning to fly back east to visit our nephew for the first time. We ended up missing our flight and had to rebook on a multi-stop flight plan that landed us at midnight, meaning we didn't get to bed until about 2am. So almost a full day in transit. So partway through the trek I log in and see a bunch of reports and go to the threads and find that both sides have made posts that warrant action and it's like - do I spend my time in the airport ignoring my exhausted, stressed daughter as we go through this tough day to clean up the thread and then deal with the aftermath... or not. Then when I'm finally up in the morning and able to spend a little time on this I open my PMs to an indicting, personal PM like the message above from you and it's like... why am I doing this. I'm not getting paid. The hours and hours I put in gaining support for this thread and trying to clean up the forum afterwards still lead to that kind of disrespect accusing me of being paid off or dirty somehow. So I didn't. There was a second (third?) PM that I didn't even open. I went and spent time with my brother, met my nephew, and went about my vacation day.

That wasn't the first straw by any means but it was the last straw and I decided I wasn't going to do it anymore. Like in law enforcement, mods spend 95% of our time on like 5% of the posters who are allegedly part of this community. Grown ass men who get into unceasing squabbles over crap posted on a basketball message board and have to call in the po po to handle it while the rest of the community dwindles, largely in part to that dynamic. Like... just file the report and stop engaging.


From there, give these mods time to cook and if you do have to touch base, do it with respect that they're dealing with this **** when they can. Don't give 'em any reason to look at your actions and if you have to blow off steam... copy and paste that **** over here where by and large mods won't touch it.



This thread should be poppin', frankly. A huge percentage of the posts I've seen lately belong here, if anywhere.

[The KnicksFix]

Y’all remember there was a time period where after every win there just booty gifs or posts? Was about 10-12 years ago

That was Hamsterdam material

[The KnicksFix]

leave these mods alone people. it's just a dumb place to talk about basketball after all. so somebody called you dumb or a bitch or whatever. just brush it off. lol

Reported this.

I lol’ed at this Kamp’… good one

[Kampuchea]

There’s people out there that have multiple PM discussions with mods and accuse them of being paid off if they don’t get immediate responses? Dafuq is wrong with people? Some people require a high level of maintenance, just ban them instead of dealing with it.

[god shammgod]

There’s people out there that have multiple PM discussions with mods and accuse them of being paid off if they don’t get immediate responses? Dafuq is wrong with people? Some people require a high level of maintenance, just ban them instead of dealing with it.

all of this is so crazy. i feel bad for the mods. it's always been my experience here that a lot of people don't really want debates. they only want to read posts from people who agree with them. this is true for our larger society as well unfortunately. and what they really want is for these voices to be vanished completely. and over enough time a lot of them will actually adopt these opposing viewpoints but still hate the person they disagreed with. i guess it doesn't pay to be an early adopter lol

[god shammgod]

there's an ignore function people, use it.

yes, you'll have to read the posts of other people who quote them. it's not a perfect system. such is life. get over it.

[Im Coming Home]

There’s people out there that have multiple PM discussions with mods and accuse them of being paid off if they don’t get immediate responses? Dafuq is wrong with people? Some people require a high level of maintenance, just ban them instead of dealing with it.

all of this is so crazy. i feel bad for the mods. it's always been my experience here that a lot of people don't really want debates. they only want to read posts from people who agree with them. this is true for our larger society as well unfortunately. and what they really want is for these voices to be vanished completely. and over enough time a lot of them will actually adopt these opposing viewpoints but still hate the person they disagreed with. i guess it doesn't pay to be an early adopter lol

Nah sham this ain't about "people disagreeing with basketball opinions" and more about the constant antagonizing, trolling, and overall how it's destroyed the quality posts on this board. This board used to have a mix of everything, a little bit of trolling, but mostly was a great place to talk and discuss basketball opinions. Over the last 3-4 years the board has deteriorated due to certain posters adopting this "new style" of posting in which it's just constant antagonizing, lying about others, and just overall not debating basketball in good faith which has lead to many long time members not wanting to deal with or read or post on the board any longer.

You're kinda missing the point of you believe people are upset about being called "a bitch" or whatever simplification you're trying to do here. All of us can handle being called that not a big deal, it's the overall toxicity, and ruining of the community due to certain groups constant antagonizing and just bad faith arguments that is the issue. When certain posters are happy to see the Knicks lose in the ECF just so they can come to the board and dance around and say I told you so I told you so and just make false bad faith arguments pretending to be innocent then it's an issue. We want Knicks fans here to discuss Knicks basketball, not trolls here looking to exploit every situation, they're not Knicks fans at that point.

And obviously the mods agree hence the new standards they're going to uphold and they admitted that they need to step up and they dropped the ball on how bad it's gotten so good on them. I appreciate their efforts as the jobs not paid obviously, but it is part of the job they're volunteering for which is a choice.

As far as the PMing goes that is what the mods instructed others to do instead of getting into it with posters so they're only following what the protocol is.

Hope that clears this up for you brother I look forward to RGM Knicks getting back to quality posts and good vibes instead of whatever's been going on the last 3-4 years unfiltered trolling.

[god shammgod]

There’s people out there that have multiple PM discussions with mods and accuse them of being paid off if they don’t get immediate responses? Dafuq is wrong with people? Some people require a high level of maintenance, just ban them instead of dealing with it.

all of this is so crazy. i feel bad for the mods. it's always been my experience here that a lot of people don't really want debates. they only want to read posts from people who agree with them. this is true for our larger society as well unfortunately. and what they really want is for these voices to be vanished completely. and over enough time a lot of them will actually adopt these opposing viewpoints but still hate the person they disagreed with. i guess it doesn't pay to be an early adopter lol

Nah sham this ain't about "people disagreeing with basketball opinions" and more about the constant antagonizing, trolling, and overall how it's destroyed the quality posts on this board. This board used to have a mix of everything, a little bit of trolling, but mostly was a great place to talk and discuss basketball opinions. Over the last 3-4 years the board has deteriorated due to certain posters adopting this "new style" of posting in which it's just constant antagonizing, lying about others, and just overall not debating basketball in good faith which has lead to many long time members not wanting to deal with or read or post on the board any longer.

You're kinda missing the point of you believe people are upset about being called "a bitch" or whatever simplification you're trying to do here. All of us can handle being called that not a big deal, it's the overall toxicity, and ruining of the community due to certain groups constant antagonizing and just bad faith arguments that is the issue. When certain posters are happy to see the Knicks lose in the ECF just so they can come to the board and dance around and say I told you so I told you so and just make false bad faith arguments pretending to be innocent then it's an issue. We want Knicks fans here to discuss Knicks basketball, not trolls here looking to exploit every situation, they're not Knicks fans at that point.

And obviously the mods agree hence the new standards they're going to uphold and they admitted that they need to step up and they dropped the ball on how bad it's gotten so good on them. I appreciate their efforts as the jobs not paid obviously, but it is part of the job they're volunteering for which is a choice. they're pretty good at it.

As far as the PMing goes that is what the mods instructed others to do instead of getting into it with posters so they're only following what the protocol is.

Hope that clears this up for you brother I look forward to RGM Knicks getting back to quality posts and good vibes instead of whatever's been going on the last 3-4 years unfiltered trolling.

just put melo on ignore. see how simple that is. then you won't interact with him. why do you need him gone completely if you don't talk to him anymore ? and if the mods feel it's time for him to go he'll be gone. they don't really need help figuring this stuff out.

[Im Coming Home]

all of this is so crazy. i feel bad for the mods. it's always been my experience here that a lot of people don't really want debates. they only want to read posts from people who agree with them. this is true for our larger society as well unfortunately. and what they really want is for these voices to be vanished completely. and over enough time a lot of them will actually adopt these opposing viewpoints but still hate the person they disagreed with. i guess it doesn't pay to be an early adopter lol

Nah sham this ain't about "people disagreeing with basketball opinions" and more about the constant antagonizing, trolling, and overall how it's destroyed the quality posts on this board. This board used to have a mix of everything, a little bit of trolling, but mostly was a great place to talk and discuss basketball opinions. Over the last 3-4 years the board has deteriorated due to certain posters adopting this "new style" of posting in which it's just constant antagonizing, lying about others, and just overall not debating basketball in good faith which has lead to many long time members not wanting to deal with or read or post on the board any longer.

You're kinda missing the point of you believe people are upset about being called "a bitch" or whatever simplification you're trying to do here. All of us can handle being called that not a big deal, it's the overall toxicity, and ruining of the community due to certain groups constant antagonizing and just bad faith arguments that is the issue. When certain posters are happy to see the Knicks lose in the ECF just so they can come to the board and dance around and say I told you so I told you so and just make false bad faith arguments pretending to be innocent then it's an issue. We want Knicks fans here to discuss Knicks basketball, not trolls here looking to exploit every situation, they're not Knicks fans at that point.

And obviously the mods agree hence the new standards they're going to uphold and they admitted that they need to step up and they dropped the ball on how bad it's gotten so good on them. I appreciate their efforts as the jobs not paid obviously, but it is part of the job they're volunteering for which is a choice.

As far as the PMing goes that is what the mods instructed others to do instead of getting into it with posters so they're only following what the protocol is.

Hope that clears this up for you brother I look forward to RGM Knicks getting back to quality posts and good vibes instead of whatever's been going on the last 3-4 years unfiltered trolling.

just put melo on ignore. see how simple that is. then you won't interact with him. why do you need him gone completely if you don't talk to him anymore ? and if the mods feel it's time for him to go he'll be gone. they don't really need help figuring this stuff out.

I never said I need him gone? It's not about putting someone on ignore, not sure why you're missing the point or if you're doing it on purpose.

Obviously the mods agree that the behavior of certain posters was ruining the quality of the board and are in agreement so they are trying to bring back the quality posts that once used to be here instead of the constant BS trolling. Majority of the board is tired of the nonsense and was waiting for mods to step up and handle it, they admitted they dropped the ball and now are fixing it thankfully. When you're losing quality posters and long time members due to a small group of people's actions then it's a problem. I would rather 5 good insightful posters who debate in good faith over 10 trolls

There's obviously a massive difference between the once Gallo/Chandler wars and what's been going on the last 3-4 years. So it's not about difference in opinion.

[god shammgod]

Nah sham this ain't about "people disagreeing with basketball opinions" and more about the constant antagonizing, trolling, and overall how it's destroyed the quality posts on this board. This board used to have a mix of everything, a little bit of trolling, but mostly was a great place to talk and discuss basketball opinions. Over the last 3-4 years the board has deteriorated due to certain posters adopting this "new style" of posting in which it's just constant antagonizing, lying about others, and just overall not debating basketball in good faith which has lead to many long time members not wanting to deal with or read or post on the board any longer.

You're kinda missing the point of you believe people are upset about being called "a bitch" or whatever simplification you're trying to do here. All of us can handle being called that not a big deal, it's the overall toxicity, and ruining of the community due to certain groups constant antagonizing and just bad faith arguments that is the issue. When certain posters are happy to see the Knicks lose in the ECF just so they can come to the board and dance around and say I told you so I told you so and just make false bad faith arguments pretending to be innocent then it's an issue. We want Knicks fans here to discuss Knicks basketball, not trolls here looking to exploit every situation, they're not Knicks fans at that point.

And obviously the mods agree hence the new standards they're going to uphold and they admitted that they need to step up and they dropped the ball on how bad it's gotten so good on them. I appreciate their efforts as the jobs not paid obviously, but it is part of the job they're volunteering for which is a choice.

As far as the PMing goes that is what the mods instructed others to do instead of getting into it with posters so they're only following what the protocol is.

Hope that clears this up for you brother I look forward to RGM Knicks getting back to quality posts and good vibes instead of whatever's been going on the last 3-4 years unfiltered trolling.

just put melo on ignore. see how simple that is. then you won't interact with him. why do you need him gone completely if you don't talk to him anymore ? and if the mods feel it's time for him to go he'll be gone. they don't really need help figuring this stuff out.

I never said I need him gone? It's not about putting someone on ignore, not sure why you're missing the point or if you're doing it on purpose.

Obviously the mods agree that the behavior of certain posters was ruining the quality of the board and are in agreement so they are trying to bring back the quality posts that once used to be here instead of the constant BS trolling.

let's just be honest, this is about him. right ? so put him on ignore. it's simple. you don't want to do that ?

[god shammgod]

and the mods don't feel it's about certain posters or they would just ban them. it's about the entire interaction. people do the same thing to him that he does to others and it snowballs.

if 2 people don't like each other, don't interact. it doesn't need to be more complicated than that.

[Im Coming Home]

just put melo on ignore. see how simple that is. then you won't interact with him. why do you need him gone completely if you don't talk to him anymore ? and if the mods feel it's time for him to go he'll be gone. they don't really need help figuring this stuff out.

I never said I need him gone? It's not about putting someone on ignore, not sure why you're missing the point or if you're doing it on purpose.

Obviously the mods agree that the behavior of certain posters was ruining the quality of the board and are in agreement so they are trying to bring back the quality posts that once used to be here instead of the constant BS trolling.

let's just be honest, this is about him. right ? so put him on ignore. it's simple. you don't want to do that ?

Already did that. It's not about me vs him it's about the board quality and it going down drastically due to his and others actions by constantly making bad faith arguments and just overall antagonizing others. The board used to have higher quality posts and they're mostly gone now due to this "new style" of posting.

You're really downplaying a massive problem the board overall has had in recent years, I guess because you're on good terms with melo or something, he just happens to be the spearhead of that problem(at least imo). And obviously the mods agree that this style of posting has ruined the board and now are going to fix it thankfully.

That style of posting has caused a lot of long time good quality posters to stop posting, I would rather they return than whatever BS been going on the last 3-4 years that has made this board much less quality reads and debates. I don't want Melo gone despite everything either. I think he can be a good poster, he used to be one until he decided to lose the plot and just go full troll mode constantly. Not sure what caused him to be that way, I suppose he likes the attention he got from it.

[Kampuchea]

Nah sham this ain't about "people disagreeing with basketball opinions" and more about the constant antagonizing, trolling, and overall how it's destroyed the quality posts on this board. This board used to have a mix of everything, a little bit of trolling, but mostly was a great place to talk and discuss basketball opinions. Over the last 3-4 years the board has deteriorated due to certain posters adopting this "new style" of posting in which it's just constant antagonizing, lying about others, and just overall not debating basketball in good faith which has lead to many long time members not wanting to deal with or read or post on the board any longer.

You're kinda missing the point of you believe people are upset about being called "a bitch" or whatever simplification you're trying to do here. All of us can handle being called that not a big deal, it's the overall toxicity, and ruining of the community due to certain groups constant antagonizing and just bad faith arguments that is the issue. When certain posters are happy to see the Knicks lose in the ECF just so they can come to the board and dance around and say I told you so I told you so and just make false bad faith arguments pretending to be innocent then it's an issue. We want Knicks fans here to discuss Knicks basketball, not trolls here looking to exploit every situation, they're not Knicks fans at that point.

And obviously the mods agree hence the new standards they're going to uphold and they admitted that they need to step up and they dropped the ball on how bad it's gotten so good on them. I appreciate their efforts as the jobs not paid obviously, but it is part of the job they're volunteering for which is a choice.

As far as the PMing goes that is what the mods instructed others to do instead of getting into it with posters so they're only following what the protocol is.

Hope that clears this up for you brother I look forward to RGM Knicks getting back to quality posts and good vibes instead of whatever's been going on the last 3-4 years unfiltered trolling.

just put melo on ignore. see how simple that is. then you won't interact with him. why do you need him gone completely if you don't talk to him anymore ? and if the mods feel it's time for him to go he'll be gone. they don't really need help figuring this stuff out.

I never said I need him gone? It's not about putting someone on ignore, not sure why you're missing the point or if you're doing it on purpose.

Obviously the mods agree that the behavior of certain posters was ruining the quality of the board and are in agreement so they are trying to bring back the quality posts that once used to be here instead of the constant BS trolling. Majority of the board is tired of the nonsense and was waiting for mods to step up and handle it, they admitted they dropped the ball and now are fixing it thankfully. When you're losing quality posters and long time members due to a small group of people's actions then it's a problem. I would rather 5 good insightful posters who debate in good faith over 10 trolls

There's obviously a massive difference between the once Gallo/Chandler wars and what's been going on the last 3-4 years. So it's not about difference in opinion.

I dunno, multiple PM discussions with mods, publicly calling them out and thinking they’re paid off if pretty extreme.

If the board gets you that twisted up just step away from it instead of becoming that high-maintenance guy.

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just put melo on ignore. see how simple that is. then you won't interact with him. why do you need him gone completely if you don't talk to him anymore ? and if the mods feel it's time for him to go he'll be gone. they don't really need help figuring this stuff out.

I never said I need him gone? It's not about putting someone on ignore, not sure why you're missing the point or if you're doing it on purpose.

Obviously the mods agree that the behavior of certain posters was ruining the quality of the board and are in agreement so they are trying to bring back the quality posts that once used to be here instead of the constant BS trolling. Majority of the board is tired of the nonsense and was waiting for mods to step up and handle it, they admitted they dropped the ball and now are fixing it thankfully. When you're losing quality posters and long time members due to a small group of people's actions then it's a problem. I would rather 5 good insightful posters who debate in good faith over 10 trolls

There's obviously a massive difference between the once Gallo/Chandler wars and what's been going on the last 3-4 years. So it's not about difference in opinion.

I dunno, multiple PM discussions with mods, publicly calling them out and thinking they’re paid off if pretty extreme.

If the board gets you that twisted up just step away from it instead of becoming that high-maintenance guy.

? I never said they're paid off.

"Multiple PM discussions" is a bit extreme as well, as I was doing what I was asked, it's also what the mods want us to do going forward instead of getting into it with people. I wasn't twisted up, just tired of the nonsense of people ruining the board. Just want RGM Knicks to go back to an actual place to discuss basketball instead of just trolling. Luckily mods agree, so clearly it wasn't unfounded. Tons of people on this board feel the same way, and unfortunately some left because of it already. Hence the new Summer post asking them to return.

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I never said I need him gone? It's not about putting someone on ignore, not sure why you're missing the point or if you're doing it on purpose.

Obviously the mods agree that the behavior of certain posters was ruining the quality of the board and are in agreement so they are trying to bring back the quality posts that once used to be here instead of the constant BS trolling. Majority of the board is tired of the nonsense and was waiting for mods to step up and handle it, they admitted they dropped the ball and now are fixing it thankfully. When you're losing quality posters and long time members due to a small group of people's actions then it's a problem. I would rather 5 good insightful posters who debate in good faith over 10 trolls

There's obviously a massive difference between the once Gallo/Chandler wars and what's been going on the last 3-4 years. So it's not about difference in opinion.

I dunno, multiple PM discussions with mods, publicly calling them out and thinking they’re paid off if pretty extreme.

If the board gets you that twisted up just step away from it instead of becoming that high-maintenance guy.

? I never said they're paid off.

"Multiple PM discussions" is a bit extreme as well, as I was doing what I was asked, it's also what the mods want us to do going forward instead of getting into it with people. I wasn't twisted up, just tired of the nonsense of people ruining the board. Just want RGM Knicks to go back to an actual place to discuss basketball instead of just trolling. Luckily mods agree, so clearly it wasn't unfounded. Tons of people on this board feel the same way, and unfortunately some left because of it already. Hence the new Summer post asking them to return.

true.

it was a different implied compromise and challenge to our ethics.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2461524&p=118815612#p118815612

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I dunno, multiple PM discussions with mods, publicly calling them out and thinking they’re paid off if pretty extreme.

If the board gets you that twisted up just step away from it instead of becoming that high-maintenance guy.

? I never said they're paid off.

"Multiple PM discussions" is a bit extreme as well, as I was doing what I was asked, it's also what the mods want us to do going forward instead of getting into it with people. I wasn't twisted up, just tired of the nonsense of people ruining the board. Just want RGM Knicks to go back to an actual place to discuss basketball instead of just trolling. Luckily mods agree, so clearly it wasn't unfounded. Tons of people on this board feel the same way, and unfortunately some left because of it already. Hence the new Summer post asking them to return.

true.

it was a different implied compromise and challenge to our ethics.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2461524&p=118815612#p118815612

Yeah exactly. Was personally just dumbfounded at the time because it felt like our voices weren't being heard as the issues were going on for years. But as we both know we had a good discussion and I will not be implying or doing those things in the future and I apologize for it as well just wasn't really sure why it felt like people were getting away with things for such a long time.

I'm happy we're turning the page on that now and look forward to going back to how good RGM Knicks was before.