BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani

[GONYK]

I don't care what that article says. There is roughly a 100% chance that a low 1st rounder and 2 late 2nd rounders will be better than Bustnani.

When he played next to Bosh they were the killer Bee's not Bustnani...that's right you blame Bargniani for all the failures of The Raptors

Relax dude, I was being sarcastic

[GONYK]

But we're wasting picks on a lateral move.

Bargs isn't beating the Pacers Heat or Bulls.

Those picks could have gotten the Knicks very valuable role players/trade chips to use to get another great player. However, instead they're used to get a mediocre player.

Those picks, Novak, or Camby weren't going to provide us with a quantum leap either.

We weren't just going to sit on our hands with a team we know isn't good enough just to preserve a late 1st round pick that doesn't belong to us

[Mangiacake]

Plenty of people liked the Melo deal because the Knicks got the best player.

This is like unanimous disapproval.

Don't remember this... Maybe I am confusing what was being reported with the posters here on realgm... (including myself) but ok. I'll take that. Even then, when has the media not shat on us? Look I am not saying Bargs will be our savior... Melo's got that spot chalked up. But I am saying he is better than what we could've gotten out of any one of those "assets" we gave up for him. Together? Who knows? in the right scheme, I guess Novak, Camby, 2 second rounders, and possibly a mid first rounder could propel an already established team to the promised land.... (Toronto is not that team) With the limited moves we could have made this offseason, I don't think it's too big of a gamble to make.

Trading away draft picks is a big gamble. What will it take for us as a fanbase to realize this.

We've traded draft picks for over 10 years, look where its got us.

Teams like the Spurs, Heat, Warriors, Celtics, and Rockets value draft picks. Look how they've done. Hell, even Kobe was a draft pick. Draft picks yield talent, even the non-lottery ones.

Guys like Rondo, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobli were all late round picks. Would you rather have a young Manu Ginobli or Andrea Bargnani.

Now I'm not saying that this is the norm, but it is for teams that value the draft. Teams that value the draft CONSISTENTLY get value out of it, no matter the round.

So yeah, 3 picks is a lot to give up. This team needs as much young talent as it can get, and picks is the best way to get that young talent.

Can i ask you something??? that thing at the bottom of your post is very offensive..Bargnani was told to lay off practising that summer by the trainers to let his injuries to his calf heal that's also why he had a bad start.This year is different he's playing euroball.

[Im Coming Home]

Almost 2 weeks later and people are still crying about a late 1st and 2 2nd rounders, my god... we can buy picks, AND with the way our team has been finding gems OUTSIDE of the draft, you would think we'd realize by now we will find guys from overseas or else where who might be gems. Chris Copeland was a top 25 rookie this season at the least, same with Pablo(not that he really counts), and they were both signed from overseas.. you don't need draft picks to find talent.

[suicidedeuce]

I don't care what that article says. There is roughly a 100% chance that a low 1st rounder and 2 late 2nd rounders will be better than Bustnani.

Players drafted the same year as Bargnani:

Adam Morrison (3)
Tyrus Thomas (4)
Shelden Willaims (5)
Patrick O'Bryant (9)
Mouhamed Sene (10)
Hilton Armstrong (12)
Cedric Simmons (15)
Rodney Carney (16)
Shawne Willains (17)
Oleksiy Pecherov (18)
Quincy Douby (19)
Renaldo Balkman (20)
Marcus Williams (22)
Maurice Ager (28)
Mardy Collins (29)
Joel Freeland (30)

Might want to rethink 100%

Hyperbole always weakens an argument.

[KikupKnik]

One player we got for straight garbage

Exactly.I'm one who doesn't look to one player to get this team on track.I think we've been searching for saviors too long.The TEAM gotta win the games not Bargani,Melo or God himself.The TEAM!

Straight garbage isn't 3 picks

It's not like draft picks played a vital role in how the Spurs/Heat built their teams, 2nd or first.

Thats not my point.My point is,too much time is spent dogging Bargs because he isn't that "superstar" 1st round pick you fantasizing about.We can't put future draft picks on the floor to play games next season,but we could
use him,and the reality is both can either work out and contribute or fail.[/quote]
But we're wasting picks on a lateral move.

Bargs isn't beating the Pacers Heat or Bulls.

Those picks could have gotten the Knicks very valuable role players/trade chips to use to get another great player. However, instead they're used to get a mediocre player.[/quote]

You can draft mediocre players too

[Mangiacake]

I don't care what that article says. There is roughly a 100% chance that a low 1st rounder and 2 late 2nd rounders will be better than Bustnani.

When he played next to Bosh they were the killer Bee's not Bustnani...that's right you blame Bargniani for all the failures of The Raptors

Relax dude, I was being sarcastic

Ok sorry

[GONYK]

I don't care what that article says. There is roughly a 100% chance that a low 1st rounder and 2 late 2nd rounders will be better than Bustnani.

Players drafted the same year as Bargnani:

Adam Morrison (3)
Tyrus Thomas (4)
Shelden Willaims (5)
Patrick O'Bryant (9)
Mouhamed Sene (10)
Hilton Armstrong (12)
Cedric Simmons (15)
Rodney Carney (16)
Shawne Willains (17)
Oleksiy Pecherov (18)
Quincy Douby (19)
Renaldo Balkman (20)
Marcus Williams (22)
Maurice Ager (28)
Mardy Collins (29)
Joel Freeland (30)

Might want to rethink 100%

Hyperbole always weakens an argument.

Do I really need greenfont people?

I've been on board with this trade since day 1

[TrueWarrior]

Plenty of people liked the Melo deal because the Knicks got the best player.

This is like unanimous disapproval.

Don't remember this... Maybe I am confusing what was being reported with the posters here on realgm... (including myself) but ok. I'll take that. Even then, when has the media not shat on us? Look I am not saying Bargs will be our savior... Melo's got that spot chalked up. But I am saying he is better than what we could've gotten out of any one of those "assets" we gave up for him. Together? Who knows? in the right scheme, I guess Novak, Camby, 2 second rounders, and possibly a mid first rounder could propel an already established team to the promised land.... (Toronto is not that team) With the limited moves we could have made this offseason, I don't think it's too big of a gamble to make.

Trading away draft picks is a big gamble. What will it take for us as a fanbase to realize this.

We've traded draft picks for over 10 years, look where its got us.

Teams like the Spurs, Heat, Warriors, Celtics, and Rockets value draft picks. Look how they've done. Hell, even Kobe was a draft pick. Draft picks yield talent, even the non-lottery ones.

Guys like Rondo, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobli were all late round picks. Would you rather have a young Manu Ginobli or Andrea Bargnani.

Now I'm not saying that this is the norm, but it is for teams that value the draft. Teams that value the draft CONSISTENTLY get value out of it, no matter the round.

So yeah, 3 picks is a lot to give up. This team needs as much young talent as it can get, and picks is the best way to get that young talent.

Ha are you finished yet? Got it out of your system?

BTW the Spurs traded us 2 1st rounders (who became Lee/Mardy) and Malik Rose for Nazr Mohammed. It worked out for them though as they won a ring that year.

You dont like Bargs, but stop cherry picking the few great players picked late in the draft as if that proves anything. We could probably buy a late 1st/early 2nd no problem in 2016 as long as we keep our 3 mill so its not even an issue. We've done well with overseas and undrafted guys too. Waiting 3 more years on a hope a 20-30th pick can become Ginobili or Rondo, who both took years to develop on top of it, is not realistic. Bargs can help us now.

[Phish Tank]

does anyone miss novak yet?

[GONYK]

does anyone miss novak yet?

I missed him all of last season, since he never showed up

[Im Coming Home]

Ha are you finished yet? Got it out of your system?

BTW the Spurs traded us 2 1st rounders (who became Lee/Mardy) and Malik Rose for Nazr Mohammed. It worked out for them though as they won a ring that year.

You dont like Bargs, but stop cherry picking the few great players picked late in the draft as if that proves anything. We could probably buy a late 1st/early 2nd no problem in 2016 as long as we keep our 3 mill so its not even an issue. Waiting 3 more years on a hope a 20-30th pick can become Ginobili or Rondo, who both took years to develop on top of it, is not realistic. Bargs can help us now.

Its funny cause I could do the same thing as him too.

Would you rather have Bargs or.. Alexis Ajinca!
Or even a young Olando Tucker!

Funny thing is, he mentions a young Manu as if we gave up this years pick and we could find a 'young Manu' to play in place of Bargs this year. We are win now, are we gonna literally make no improvements and just wait for the 2016 draft to save this team?

[Im Coming Home]

does anyone miss novak yet?

I missed him all of last season, since he never showed up

[Phish Tank]

does anyone miss novak yet?

I missed him all of last season, since he never showed up

well i guess he reunited with landry fields, who disappeared sometime around march 2011.

[JustaKnickFan]

Plenty of people liked the Melo deal because the Knicks got the best player.

This is like unanimous disapproval.

Don't remember this... Maybe I am confusing what was being reported with the posters here on realgm... (including myself) but ok. I'll take that. Even then, when has the media not shat on us? Look I am not saying Bargs will be our savior... Melo's got that spot chalked up. But I am saying he is better than what we could've gotten out of any one of those "assets" we gave up for him. Together? Who knows? in the right scheme, I guess Novak, Camby, 2 second rounders, and possibly a mid first rounder could propel an already established team to the promised land.... (Toronto is not that team) With the limited moves we could have made this offseason, I don't think it's too big of a gamble to make.

Trading away draft picks is a big gamble. What will it take for us as a fanbase to realize this.

We've traded draft picks for over 10 years, look where its got us.

Teams like the Spurs, Heat, Warriors, Celtics, and Rockets value draft picks. Look how they've done. Hell, even Kobe was a draft pick. Draft picks yield talent, even the non-lottery ones.

Guys like Rondo, Tony Parker, and Manu Ginobli were all late round picks. Would you rather have a young Manu Ginobli or Andrea Bargnani.

Now I'm not saying that this is the norm, but it is for teams that value the draft. Teams that value the draft CONSISTENTLY get value out of it, no matter the round.

So yeah, 3 picks is a lot to give up. This team needs as much young talent as it can get, and picks is the best way to get that young talent.

Ha are you finished yet? Got it out of your system?

BTW the Spurs traded us 2 1st rounders (who became Lee/Mardy) and Malik Rose for Nazr Mohammed. It worked out for them though as they won a ring that year.

You dont like Bargs, but stop cherry picking the few great players picked late in the draft as if that proves anything. We could probably buy a late 1st/early 2nd no problem in 2016 as long as we keep our 3 mill so its not even an issue. We've done well with overseas and undrafted guys too. Waiting 3 more years on a hope a 20-30th pick can become Ginobili or Rondo, who both took years to develop on top of it, is not realistic. Bargs can help us now.[/quote]
I'm cherry picking because currently the most successful teams in the league built their team on draft picks (Heat had Wade, Spurs...you know).

Yeah they can buy draft picks, but they wouldn't have to if they didn't trade theirs. If the Knicks end up doing that, it would just be "dead cap space" they give up because of how they didn't have to.

I'm trying to say that the Knicks didn't give up trash. Anyway, the Knicks do solid on undrafted free agents/overseas guys, but those guys aren't starter material. Prigs and Copeland are bench players. C.J. Leslie is probably going to be a bench player as well.

I feel like draft picks have a higher ceiling than that. I'd easily rather put my faith in a 20-30 pick and a few 2nd rounders than Bargs.

[GONYK]

I'm cherry picking because currently the most successful teams in the league built their team on draft picks (Heat had Wade, Spurs...you know).

Yeah they can buy draft picks, but they wouldn't have to if they didn't trade theirs. If the Knicks end up doing that, it would just be "dead cap space" they give up because of how they didn't have to.

I'm trying to say that the Knicks didn't give up trash. Anyway, the Knicks do solid on undrafted free agents/overseas guys, but those guys aren't starter material. Prigs and Copeland are bench players. C.J. Leslie is probably going to be a bench player as well.

The fact that you are bringing up Dwyane Wade is a joke, right?

I feel like draft picks have a higher ceiling than that. I'd easily rather put my faith in a 20-30 pick and a few 2nd rounders than Bargs.

I hope that is a joke too

[DLTGWH]

Plenty of people liked the Melo deal because the Knicks got the best player.

This is like unanimous disapproval.

If he's bad we fail.If he's good we win games.Its just that simple.He's only one player breh

All I'm saying is, it's not crazy that ESPN is hating on this deal.

Plenty of people hated all of the Knicks deals, and for the past 10 years they have been right. This deal seems like an Isaiah move, trade draft picks for talent, even if said talent has some mental trouble.

When it comes to Bargs, he had an incredible caliper test, so there's obviously something different mentally about him.

[JustaKnickFan]

Ha are you finished yet? Got it out of your system?

BTW the Spurs traded us 2 1st rounders (who became Lee/Mardy) and Malik Rose for Nazr Mohammed. It worked out for them though as they won a ring that year.

You dont like Bargs, but stop cherry picking the few great players picked late in the draft as if that proves anything. We could probably buy a late 1st/early 2nd no problem in 2016 as long as we keep our 3 mill so its not even an issue. Waiting 3 more years on a hope a 20-30th pick can become Ginobili or Rondo, who both took years to develop on top of it, is not realistic. Bargs can help us now.

Its funny cause I could do the same thing as him too.

Would you rather have Bargs or.. Alexis Ajinca!
Or even a young Olando Tucker!

Funny thing is, he mentions a young Manu as if we gave up this years pick and we could find a 'young Manu' to play in place of Bargs this year. We are win now, are we gonna literally make no improvements and just wait for the 2016 draft to save this team?

This team is "win now", but we're not winning anything.

Last year the East was weak and the Knicks should have taken advantage. Instead, they can't beat Chicago, and can barely beat a weak Boston team on their last legs. If Felton didn't have such a great series, the Knicks could have lost in the 1st round.

My point is, the Bucks are a "win-now" team. The Hawks were a "win-now" team. As a fan, there comes a point where you realize that your teams "win-now" mode isn't going to get it done, and it just gets worse watching your team waste their future on their hopeless "win-now" mode.

[Pharmcat]

at this point i dont think there is anything else to discuss

the game on the floor will show if this trade was worth it or not

lets see which side is right

[TrueWarrior]

Ha are you finished yet? Got it out of your system?

BTW the Spurs traded us 2 1st rounders (who became Lee/Mardy) and Malik Rose for Nazr Mohammed. It worked out for them though as they won a ring that year.

You dont like Bargs, but stop cherry picking the few great players picked late in the draft as if that proves anything. We could probably buy a late 1st/early 2nd no problem in 2016 as long as we keep our 3 mill so its not even an issue. We've done well with overseas and undrafted guys too. Waiting 3 more years on a hope a 20-30th pick can become Ginobili or Rondo, who both took years to develop on top of it, is not realistic. Bargs can help us now.

I'm cherry picking because currently the most successful teams in the league built their team on draft picks (Heat had Wade, Spurs...you know).

Yeah they can buy draft picks, but they wouldn't have to if they didn't trade theirs. If the Knicks end up doing that, it would just be "dead cap space" they give up because of how they didn't have to.

I'm trying to say that the Knicks didn't give up trash. Anyway, the Knicks do solid on undrafted free agents/overseas guys, but those guys aren't starter material. Prigs and Copeland are bench players. C.J. Leslie is probably going to be a bench player as well.

I feel like draft picks have a higher ceiling than that. I'd easily rather put my faith in a 20-30 pick and a few 2nd rounders than Bargs.

Oh so all we need is the 1st pick and we can get Duncan! Damn! Or a top 5 pick to get Wade! Yay! Didnt know we traded a top 5 pick, but hey I guess anything can happen.

You know Bargs was picked first, and even if hes become somewhat of a bust hes still a top 5 player from that draft because of how weak it was. Not every draft is going to be good.

You're a skipping cracking badly broken record.