BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani

[JustaKnickFan]

Ha are you finished yet? Got it out of your system?

BTW the Spurs traded us 2 1st rounders (who became Lee/Mardy) and Malik Rose for Nazr Mohammed. It worked out for them though as they won a ring that year.

You dont like Bargs, but stop cherry picking the few great players picked late in the draft as if that proves anything. We could probably buy a late 1st/early 2nd no problem in 2016 as long as we keep our 3 mill so its not even an issue. We've done well with overseas and undrafted guys too. Waiting 3 more years on a hope a 20-30th pick can become Ginobili or Rondo, who both took years to develop on top of it, is not realistic. Bargs can help us now.

I'm cherry picking because currently the most successful teams in the league built their team on draft picks (Heat had Wade, Spurs...you know).

Yeah they can buy draft picks, but they wouldn't have to if they didn't trade theirs. If the Knicks end up doing that, it would just be "dead cap space" they give up because of how they didn't have to.

I'm trying to say that the Knicks didn't give up trash. Anyway, the Knicks do solid on undrafted free agents/overseas guys, but those guys aren't starter material. Prigs and Copeland are bench players. C.J. Leslie is probably going to be a bench player as well.

I feel like draft picks have a higher ceiling than that. I'd easily rather put my faith in a 20-30 pick and a few 2nd rounders than Bargs.

Oh so all we need is the 1st pick and we can get Duncan! Damn! Or a top 5 pick to get Wade! Yay! Didnt know we traded a top 5 pick, but hey I guess anything can happen.

You know Bargs was picked first, and even if hes become somewhat of a bust hes still a top 5 player from that draft because of how weak it was. Not every draft is going to be good.

You're a skipping cracking broken record at this point.

Or all you need are some picks to stockpile assets and trade the for an actual secondary scorer.....

[GONYK]

I'm cherry picking because currently the most successful teams in the league built their team on draft picks (Heat had Wade, Spurs...you know).

Yeah they can buy draft picks, but they wouldn't have to if they didn't trade theirs. If the Knicks end up doing that, it would just be "dead cap space" they give up because of how they didn't have to.

I'm trying to say that the Knicks didn't give up trash. Anyway, the Knicks do solid on undrafted free agents/overseas guys, but those guys aren't starter material. Prigs and Copeland are bench players. C.J. Leslie is probably going to be a bench player as well.

I feel like draft picks have a higher ceiling than that. I'd easily rather put my faith in a 20-30 pick and a few 2nd rounders than Bargs.

Oh so all we need is the 1st pick and we can get Duncan! Damn! Or a top 5 pick to get Wade! Yay! Didnt know we traded a top 5 pick, but hey I guess anything can happen.

You know Bargs was picked first, and even if hes become somewhat of a bust hes still a top 5 player from that draft because of how weak it was. Not every draft is going to be good.

You're a skipping cracking broken record at this point.

Or all you need are some picks to stockpile assets and trade the for an actual secondary scorer.....

I'm sure teams with legit 2nd scorers were salivating over 2 2nd rounders in the 50's

[JustaKnickFan]

Oh so all we need is the 1st pick and we can get Duncan! Damn! Or a top 5 pick to get Wade! Yay! Didnt know we traded a top 5 pick, but hey I guess anything can happen.

You know Bargs was picked first, and even if hes become somewhat of a bust hes still a top 5 player from that draft because of how weak it was. Not every draft is going to be good.

You're a skipping cracking broken record at this point.

Or all you need are some picks to stockpile assets and trade the for an actual secondary scorer.....

I'm sure teams with legit 2nd scorers were salivating over 2 2nd rounders in the 50's

A few Draymond Greens added to a trade never hurt....

[GONYK]

Or all you need are some picks to stockpile assets and trade the for an actual secondary scorer.....

I'm sure teams with legit 2nd scorers were salivating over 2 2nd rounders in the 50's

A few Draymond Greens added to a trade never hurt....

What about the other 29 players who are usually varying degrees of ass?

For every 2nd rounder that become a player, there are 30 who haven't

[TrueWarrior]

Or all you need are some picks to stockpile assets and trade the for an actual secondary scorer.....

If you wanted somebody better than Bargs then wed have to give up more than just a 2016 swapped pick. Shump would be gone. Tim Jr would be gone if he shows anything. Same with Leslie. Same with our 2018 pick. And that probably wouldnt even be enough.

Bargs can be a nice 2nd scorer and still has some potential left, and all we gave up was the 2016 swapped pick and some 2nd rounders. You're really overreacting and Im not sure what your endgame is here. You're just talking in circles at this point.

[moocow007]

JKF...you're burying yourself. Just stop. Trust me.

[JustaKnickFan]

I'm sure teams with legit 2nd scorers were salivating over 2 2nd rounders in the 50's

A few Draymond Greens added to a trade never hurt....

What about the other 29 players who are usually varying degrees of ass?

For every 2nd rounder that become a player, there are 30 who haven't

Here's the thing where I disagree with you on.

It really depends on the team. If the 2nd round is put in a situation where he can succeed (play to his strengths, have a clear role), he'll have a much easier thing than being told to do his own thing.

I feel like the Knicks could have offered 2nd rounders that clear-role. It seems like the Spurs, Heat, Warriors, etc put these players in a position to succeed, while teams like Toronto just pick a player in a crapshoot and hope he finds his niche.

[GONYK]

A few Draymond Greens added to a trade never hurt....

What about the other 29 players who are usually varying degrees of ass?

For every 2nd rounder that become a player, there are 30 who haven't

Here's the thing where I disagree with you on.

It really depends on the team. If the 2nd round is put in a situation where he can succeed (play to his strengths, have a clear role), he'll have a much easier thing than being told to do his own thing.

I feel like the Knicks could have offered 2nd rounders that clear-role. It seems like the Spurs, Heat, Warriors, etc put these players in a position to succeed, while teams like Toronto just pick a player in a crapshoot and hope he finds his niche.

Bro, this is tangential.

We would obviously make much better use of Bargs right now then low 2nd rounders. We are undeniably giving him a better role

[JustaKnickFan]

Well, I'll guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I think I've literally covered every angle of this trade I hate in this thread, and earned quite the postcount from it, too.

From my point of view, it seems like the Knicks could be in a much better position if they placed more value in draft picks, so it's tough to see them just throw them, even low picks, in a deal for a player about to be amnestied.

Anyway, Summer league's coming up, and hopefully Shump drops 50 so I can forget about this trade. Gonna take Moo's advice and gtfo of this thread.

Oh and Ramon Sessions was drafted in the 50s range.

[TrueWarrior]

Here's the thing where I disagree with you on.

It really depends on the team. If the 2nd round is put in a situation where he can succeed (play to his strengths, have a clear role), he'll have a much easier thing than being told to do his own thing.

I feel like the Knicks could have offered 2nd rounders that clear-role. It seems like the Spurs, Heat, Warriors, etc put these players in a position to succeed, while teams like Toronto just pick a player in a crapshoot and hope he finds his niche.

Do you even know what the 2nd rounders we gave up are? We traded OKC's 2014 2nd rounder. That is guaranteed to be late 50s. Go check the players picked in the late 50s over the past 10 years. The only decent ones I can see is Isaiah Thomas and Ramon Sessions. Gortat and Manu took years for them to come over which is why they dropped in the first place. Everyone else is out of the league. Then we traded our 2017 2nd rounder. 2017! These arent picks in the 30s and we could easily buy one of those if we wanted.

[boomann21]

at this point i dont think there is anything else to discuss

the game on the floor will show if this trade was worth it or not

lets see which side is right

I think we got another 300 pages of discussion and dead horse beating in us. I have faith in our fan base.

[Pharmcat]

at this point i dont think there is anything else to discuss

the game on the floor will show if this trade was worth it or not

lets see which side is right

I think we got another 300 pages of discussion and dead horse beating in us. I have faith in our fan base.

is this thread longer than melo trade threads

[boomann21]

at this point i dont think there is anything else to discuss

the game on the floor will show if this trade was worth it or not

lets see which side is right

I think we got another 300 pages of discussion and dead horse beating in us. I have faith in our fan base.

is this thread longer than melo trade threads

Honestly this is the longest thread that I've seen. I think they was stopping those Melo threads after 100 pages and it equaled to about 6 different threads. So no I don't think so, but it still has time to ketchup.

[suicidedeuce]

Whenever I see criticism of a trades based almost solely on the fantasy of the OTHER trades that could have been pulled off with loose change like this one was, I'm reminded of a great movie quote.

STAND BY ME:

Vern: Geez, Gordie. Why couldn't you have gotten breakfast stuff? Like Twinkies and Pez and Root Beer?

Gordie: Sorry, Vern. I guess a more experienced shopper could have gotten more for your seven cents.

[Moose]

Whenever I see criticism of a trades based almost solely on the fantasy of the OTHER trades that could have been pulled off with loose change like this one was, I'm reminded of a great movie quote.

STAND BY ME:

Vern: Geez, Gordie. Why couldn't you have gotten breakfast stuff? Like Twinkies and Pez and Root Beer?

Gordie: Sorry, Vern. I guess a more experienced shopper could have gotten more for your seven cents.

Well done...well done...you should Google who vern married however.

[suicidedeuce]

Whenever I see criticism of a trades based almost solely on the fantasy of the OTHER trades that could have been pulled off with loose change like this one was, I'm reminded of a great movie quote.

STAND BY ME:

Vern: Geez, Gordie. Why couldn't you have gotten breakfast stuff? Like Twinkies and Pez and Root Beer?

Gordie: Sorry, Vern. I guess a more experienced shopper could have gotten more for your seven cents.

Well done...well done...you should Google who vern married however.

Don't have to...

[AllanHoustonFan]

Honestly this is the longest thread that I've seen. I think they was stopping those Melo threads after 100 pages and it equaled to about 6 different threads. So no I don't think so, but it still has time to ketchup.

Nah the Melo trade thread was definitely longer. There were like 20+ threads dedicated solely to the Melo trade (each thread would lock after 100+ pages).

The difference between that and this is the Melo thread had new news every day and different perspectives on the topic while this is just people repeating themselves after page 50.

[K_ick_God]

Bargs probably doesn't have it in him to be great, but in NYC and with some offensive talent around him and what we hope was the start of at least a competent and above-average-winning system, I think next season he can --
have some big games --
take over some games --
and hit some key shots.

Then in his walk year, he may step it up a little more to earn that next contract.

So, that should be worth a 15-30 pick if that's where it ends up.

[offense]

Bargs probably doesn't have it in him to be great, but in NYC and with some offensive talent around him and what we hope was the start of at least a competent and above-average-winning system, I think next season he can --
have some big games --
take over some games --
and hit some key shots.

Then in his walk year, he may step it up a little more to earn that next contract.

So, that should be worth a 15-30 pick if that's where it ends up.

He's great on offense. woody can help him with everything else.

[Knicksman780]

So this is what the Realgm boards look like during the offseason...SMH

Some people here get really seriously upset when we don't buy a second round pick to draft a player as if he were a surefire first ballot hall of famer that somehow professional scouts and GM's clearly missed out the YouTube greatest hits videos and they don't know what they're missing...
Some people here are mad that we got rid of discount double-no show and someone who couldn't get burn in a series that we had no size and mainly two potential hall of fame second rounders and OMG a first round pick that will get swapped and not be in the lottery anyway for a player that is serviceable and fills a need...
Some people would rather hug the testes of former flash in the pan players that came back to earth and are exposed as nothing special but suddenly they are great again because they had one good game against us in a game that frankly NONE of our players showed up and another grass is greener reaction with a large, uncoordinated 7 footer who rebounds well because he's the only rebounder on a team of three point shooters, but cannot make a layup, alley oop or free throw for his life...
Some people especially get butthurt when you don't see things their way because they have the proof in eff%, fg%, eFG, PDA, POD, Down with OPP or whatever three letter acronym that suddenly tells you that Player X is one of the best but Player Y is a chucker even though Player Y is CLEARLY the better player
Oh and definitely let's not forget some people that are quiet now, but the minute a specific draft player has one bad preseason game, summer league game, or heck, even misses one shot, they'll troll on here saying "See...I told you we should've drafted Player XYZ instead"


SMH at some people...Let's make sure that tour bus is gassed up. It's gonna be a long summer...