[Camelo Thread Part 12] - Melo's list grows? pg. 50

[knicksfan84]

I'd rather keep Mozgov and Kelenna and keep Harrington and Birdman out of it due to their contracts, but denver will likely insisit on us taking their bad deals in order to make-up for an offer that doesn't include a bunch of high firsts.

[GONYK]

I'd rather keep Mozgov and Kelenna and keep Harrington and Birdman out of it due to their contracts, but denver will likely insisit on us taking their bad deals in order to make-up for an offer that doesn't include a bunch of high firsts.

What is Denver going to do if we say no?

[Invictus]

I just don't see it. Denver will NEVER deal Melo to NYK. It's not based on logic but the disposition of the Nuggets front office. They'd rather roll the dice in the off-season and hope to re-sign him than be labeled fools for taking the best offer from the Knicks. That way, they can blame Melo much like the Cavs blamed Lebron.

Not sure they want to do that just so they can "blame Melo much like the Cavs blamed Lebron."

Unless Denver is looking to have an incredibly bad losing season, just like the Cavs post lebron.

[cgmw]

So.... the most interesting "news" in the last five pages is Hahn discussing why Rautins isn't in the D-League. Just in case anybody wanted a summary.

My next question, how much longer to the deadline anyway?

[Context]

I just don't see it. Denver will NEVER deal Melo to NYK. It's not based on logic but the disposition of the Nuggets front office. They'd rather roll the dice in the off-season and hope to re-sign him than be labeled fools for taking the best offer from the Knicks. That way, they can blame Melo much like the Cavs blamed Lebron.

I agree. And just for the record I wouldn't gut the team for any player that wants to come here. We don't have to because we can get under the cap and sign him as a free agent. People need to realize this Melo situation is not the Lebron situation.

Melo has the Nuggets extension on the table for 8 months now. The consensus reports around the league is that he only want to go to the Knicks. He and his wife are from NY. They got married in NY. He went to college in NY and won a championship there. He said out of HIS OWN MOUTH that it would be his "ultimate dream" to come home and play for the Knicks. There is also reports that say he will wait till free agency to sign if he has to. You have TWO GM's that have already confirmed that he wants to be on one team.

When you have leverage - you use it...

[Context]

I'd rather keep Mozgov and Kelenna and keep Harrington and Birdman out of it due to their contracts, but denver will likely insisit on us taking their bad deals in order to make-up for an offer that doesn't include a bunch of high firsts.

What is Denver going to do if we say no?

Absolutely nothing GONYK

Let them continue to be delusional. How can you stop a player from coming to a team when he's a free agent and said team has cap space?

[CDAZ]

I'd rather keep Mozgov and Kelenna and keep Harrington and Birdman out of it due to their contracts, but denver will likely insisit on us taking their bad deals in order to make-up for an offer that doesn't include a bunch of high firsts.

What is Denver going to do if we say no?

Absolutely nothing GONYK

Let them continue to be delusional. How can you stop a player from coming to a team when he's a free agent and said team has cap space?

I know i am in the minority but I am one who believes we should wait till the off season and just sign him. I think we should make a trade to get Mayo now using TD and maybe Walker + cash. Extend the QO to chandler in the off season. Next season I would like to see Amare, Mello, Gallo, Lan, Ray. But with Chandler, Mayo and Moz coming off the bench. That second unit solidifies us as a dominate team

[Context]

I know i am in the minority but I am one who believes we should wait till the off season and just sign him. I think we should make a trade to get Mayo now using TD and maybe Walker + cash. Extend the QO to chandler in the off season. Next season I would like to see Amare, Mello, Gallo, Lan, Ray. But with Chandler, Mayo and Moz coming off the bench. That second unit solidifies us as a dominate team

I have done the math on this as well as many here and while the Knicks can put themselves in a position to sign Melo in the off-season. As it stand now based on the 58 million dollar cap and the rules that go along with it. Turiaf, Chandler, and AR can not be on the team if we sign Melo. We also would have to trade away our 2011 pick for future consideration as well.

They break it down in this SI article:

• Can the Knicks just wait it out and sign Carmelo as a free agent?

If there’s something everyone agrees on, it’s that Anthony wants to go to New York. Denver has appeared uninterested in whatever offer the Knicks might be able to put together, though it remains to be seen whether the Nuggets’ interest level jumps now that Derrick Favors and New Jersey’s war chest of first-rounders have been pulled.

We’ve been over this before, but it bears repeating: There is no guarantee the Knicks will be able to sign Anthony as a free agent in the offseason — starting July 1 — even in a dream world where the collective bargaining landscape looks exactly like it does now. (In the real world, the CBA expires on July 1, sending the NBA into a state of mystery.)

Even if the Knicks renounce all their players on non-guaranteed deals and their outgoing free agents (including Wilson Chandler), they still have $43.5 million in committed salary for next season. Toss in a set charge for their first-round pick (likely around $1.5 million) and roster charges for empty slots, and you’re up to nearly $46 million on the books for next season. The current salary cap is a shade over $58 million, meaning the Knicks, in this dream world, would not have enough room to sign Free Agent ‘Melo to anything close to what currently constitutes a maximum-level deal.

They could, of course, trim salary — most obviously by dealing Anthony Randolph (due $2.9 million next season) for a 2012 first-rounder, and then dumping their 2011 first-rounder somewhere. They could also find takers for Ronny Turiaf ($4.36 million player option) or Timofey Mozgov ($3.3 million, glued to the bench).

None of this is simple, and all of these scenarios assume the loss of Chandler, who is playing his way toward a big-money deal.

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/01 ... nets-fold/

[knicksfan84]

Can we definately free up the 17.4 mil in order to have 1 max slot (assuming that's what it is)?

[delvec19]

christomasson Chris Tomasson
Don't expect a Carmelo Anthony trade this week. Nuggets are honing in on key five-game trip and executive Masai Ujiri to go college scouting

[knick86]

Carmelo is one of the best in the league when it comes to shooting but is he exactly what the knicks need right now to contend with the Celtics, Heat, Chicago and Orlando? I dont agree on breaking up the core right now. Yes, we lost our last 7 out of 10 and on a 6 game skid, but we dont need anymore scoring as of right now. What we need is some more depth on the bench which has been good from Walker and Williams. We are lacking in 1 huge position, which is Center. We need to sign or trade for a center to free Amare back to the 4 and rebound, and defend the paint. Most teams are out scoring us because of the lack of defence in the paint and our lack of rebounding. So dont trade Fields, Chandler for Melo. I would love to see the knicks possibly go for a Starting Center like Kendrick Perkins or Glen "baby' Davis both from the celtics. Maybe Curry's expiring contract, alont side Anthony Randolph with a future first rounder. Knicks landing 1 of those 2 is a plus and can be a contender in my eyes.

[nykfan70]

No one can tell right now, not even Larry Coon is willing to guess, what the new CBA will bring to table as far as a the Salary Cap is concerned. If anyone here thinks they know, you don't, your only guessing, that's all.

[knick86]

Plus we are ranking in 3rd for the highest scoring big 3 in the whole NBA... Another reason for NO big trade now and just wait till FA

[Context]

Can we definately free up the 17.4 mil in order to have 1 max slot (assuming that's what it is)?

We can do it if we trade/renounce Chandler or Gallo, trade Anthony Randolph, Trade Turiaf or Mozz, and trade our 2011 draft pick for future consideration. And...we also need to renounce all other players on our roster that do not have guaranteed contracts.

Players we could keep:

Amare
Gallo or Chandler
Felton
Mozz or Turiaf
Fields
Tony Douglas
Shawne Williams
Walker
Anthony Rautins

[Context]

No one can tell right now, not even Larry Coon is willing to guess, what the new CBA will bring to table as far as a the Salary Cap is concerned. If anyone here thinks they know, you don't, your only guessing, that's all.

And that's precisely why all speculation should be made off of the current CBA agreement. What else can you do? It's all speculation anyway... There is a possibility that they agree to extend the current agreement one year...

[CDAZ]

I know i am in the minority but I am one who believes we should wait till the off season and just sign him. I think we should make a trade to get Mayo now using TD and maybe Walker + cash. Extend the QO to chandler in the off season. Next season I would like to see Amare, Mello, Gallo, Lan, Ray. But with Chandler, Mayo and Moz coming off the bench. That second unit solidifies us as a dominate team

I have done the math on this as well as many here and while the Knicks can put themselves in a position to sign Melo in the off-season. As it stand now based on the 58 million dollar cap and the rules that go along with it. Turiaf, Chandler, and AR can not be on the team if we sign Melo. We also would have to trade away our 2011 pick for future consideration as well.

They break it down in this SI article:

• Can the Knicks just wait it out and sign Carmelo as a free agent?

If there’s something everyone agrees on, it’s that Anthony wants to go to New York. Denver has appeared uninterested in whatever offer the Knicks might be able to put together, though it remains to be seen whether the Nuggets’ interest level jumps now that Derrick Favors and New Jersey’s war chest of first-rounders have been pulled.

We’ve been over this before, but it bears repeating: There is no guarantee the Knicks will be able to sign Anthony as a free agent in the offseason — starting July 1 — even in a dream world where the collective bargaining landscape looks exactly like it does now. (In the real world, the CBA expires on July 1, sending the NBA into a state of mystery.)

Even if the Knicks renounce all their players on non-guaranteed deals and their outgoing free agents (including Wilson Chandler), they still have $43.5 million in committed salary for next season. Toss in a set charge for their first-round pick (likely around $1.5 million) and roster charges for empty slots, and you’re up to nearly $46 million on the books for next season. The current salary cap is a shade over $58 million, meaning the Knicks, in this dream world, would not have enough room to sign Free Agent ‘Melo to anything close to what currently constitutes a maximum-level deal.

They could, of course, trim salary — most obviously by dealing Anthony Randolph (due $2.9 million next season) for a 2012 first-rounder, and then dumping their 2011 first-rounder somewhere. They could also find takers for Ronny Turiaf ($4.36 million player option) or Timofey Mozgov ($3.3 million, glued to the bench).

None of this is simple, and all of these scenarios assume the loss of Chandler, who is playing his way toward a big-money deal.

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/01 ... nets-fold/

I hear what you're saying. I'm just convince that he is willing to take a pay cut in order to sign with us. I know I don't have proof but it's just a feeling I have.

[Pharmcat]

I know i am in the minority but I am one who believes we should wait till the off season and just sign him. I think we should make a trade to get Mayo now using TD and maybe Walker + cash. Extend the QO to chandler in the off season. Next season I would like to see Amare, Mello, Gallo, Lan, Ray. But with Chandler, Mayo and Moz coming off the bench. That second unit solidifies us as a dominate team

I have done the math on this as well as many here and while the Knicks can put themselves in a position to sign Melo in the off-season. As it stand now based on the 58 million dollar cap and the rules that go along with it. Turiaf, Chandler, and AR can not be on the team if we sign Melo. We also would have to trade away our 2011 pick for future consideration as well.

They break it down in this SI article:

• Can the Knicks just wait it out and sign Carmelo as a free agent?

If there’s something everyone agrees on, it’s that Anthony wants to go to New York. Denver has appeared uninterested in whatever offer the Knicks might be able to put together, though it remains to be seen whether the Nuggets’ interest level jumps now that Derrick Favors and New Jersey’s war chest of first-rounders have been pulled.

We’ve been over this before, but it bears repeating: There is no guarantee the Knicks will be able to sign Anthony as a free agent in the offseason — starting July 1 — even in a dream world where the collective bargaining landscape looks exactly like it does now. (In the real world, the CBA expires on July 1, sending the NBA into a state of mystery.)

Even if the Knicks renounce all their players on non-guaranteed deals and their outgoing free agents (including Wilson Chandler), they still have $43.5 million in committed salary for next season. Toss in a set charge for their first-round pick (likely around $1.5 million) and roster charges for empty slots, and you’re up to nearly $46 million on the books for next season. The current salary cap is a shade over $58 million, meaning the Knicks, in this dream world, would not have enough room to sign Free Agent ‘Melo to anything close to what currently constitutes a maximum-level deal.

They could, of course, trim salary — most obviously by dealing Anthony Randolph (due $2.9 million next season) for a 2012 first-rounder, and then dumping their 2011 first-rounder somewhere. They could also find takers for Ronny Turiaf ($4.36 million player option) or Timofey Mozgov ($3.3 million, glued to the bench).

None of this is simple, and all of these scenarios assume the loss of Chandler, who is playing his way toward a big-money deal.

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/01 ... nets-fold/

all the more reason to get a trade done now

if nothing is agreed, on trade deadline day:

1) AR/turiaf for przybilla/pick/tpe
2) chandler for beabois

save 10 mill or so + add 2 assets, sets up well going into summer

[CDAZ]

Can we definately free up the 17.4 mil in order to have 1 max slot (assuming that's what it is)?

We can do it if we trade/renounce Chandler or Gallo, trade Anthony Randolph, Trade Turiaf or Mozz, and trade our 2011 draft pick for future consideration. And...we also need to renounce all other players on our roster that do not have guaranteed contracts.

Players we could keep:

Amare
Gallo or Chandler
Felton
Mozz or Turiaf
Fields
Tony Douglas
Shawne Williams
Walker
Anthony Rautins

I thought it was already discussed that Turiaf can be moved to teams like the Mavs and Magic if need be because they are looking for size?

[Context]

I hear what you're saying. I'm just convince that he is willing to take a pay cut in order to sign with us. I know I don't have proof but it's just a feeling I have.

I share the same feeling...

Lebron, Wade, and Bosh took a 2.6million dollar cut in the first year of their contracts. I believe Melo would do the same. Especially if he wants to beat those guys. I believe Melo is smarter than some think. We are going to need all the cap flexibility
that we can get.

[kane2021]

Im not sure if this was posted. I read through it but not in detail. I didnt see walsh say anything about any trades. So im not sure where the headline came from.

Donnie Walsh says Carmelo Anthony trade, or deal for any help, is not on way for struggling Knicks

"We've played better in the last two games," Walsh said, referring to weekend losses in San Antoni and Oklahoma City. "When you get in a period where you're losing, there has to be games where you play better and you might lose, but you show you're playing better. And good things will start happening. I thought that a little bit against the Spurs. But I thought we played much better against Oklahoma City and we probably should have won that game. I'm hoping it gets us on the right track."

"You can look around the league and the leading teams even go through (a losing streak)," he said. "That's going to happen. But the ability to get out of it is the most important thing. And I saw signs in the last two games where we can get out of it."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... z1Byxr1LV0