Jeremy Lin's Contract Saga: Part VII

[Knicks_Fan2]

The thing is, we can sit here and call it a strictly basketball decision but we don't have the money invested in this team. We have an owner who has spent over 100 million dollars on the team in the past and to think he's an awful owner for not making that kind of investment again, especially when the tipping point is a player with only a 25 game sample...It's really not fair to the guy. How many owners in this league would actually make that investment? Maybe 3 or 4?

So to simplify as "if Lin and Landry makes us better, you match them" isn't fair to the guy putting the money down or the management that has to make every decision seem reasonable to that owner.

Remi, if you'd like to defend Jim Dolan's right to turn a profit, good for you.

Personally, that's not my bag. I'm much more interested in Jim Dolan somehow turning this team into a champion again.

If you think Lin is the difference in turning a championship contender then that's on you...Nash would have been that. As of now, Melo, Amare and TC are far more important than Lin in a championship effort in my opinion and thus, I'm not throwing such a fit over this move. I don't think Lin makes THAT big a difference from Felton/Kidd.

Cosign. Still think we should match though.

[ezmoney707]

Frank Isola: Of course, the good people of Argentina will tell you that with Pablo Prigioni on the roster, Lin will be Knicks fourth string point guard 2 minutes ago

Frank Isola: When you get right down to it we're all wasting a lot of time wondering if Jeremy Lin is going to be the Knicks third string point guard. 3 minutes ago

lol..what?

Your avatar is distracting my friend. Who is thou

[GaryCarterFan]

When this is all said and done, the person who should be most ashamed is Frank Isola's mother for bringing such a vile creature into this world.

[Jay10]

the knicks will probably come out with a report before the team plays their summer league game today

[Grinditout]

If any of you have a gf/wife, I suggest turning off the computer now and just go and smash that all day. Much more productive than any "news" that will come out of this thread.

[KL78192020]

You know what, what are the odds A'mare can even play three years from now? His body has broken down the past two seasons, a history like that suggests A'mare could be forced to retire by 2014.

Even though his contract isn't insured I don't think retired players contract count in the cap, in fact, it would be a great trade asset.

Retired players don't get paid, either. Amar'e isn't retiring, even if he becomes a double amputee.

Of course they get paid. If he retires medically then they can get rid of the cap hit, but they get paid no matter what.

[ZeroStatic2]

Q and A with Larry Coon

http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2012/07/q ... y-lin.html

Why didn't the Knicks make Lin an initial offer? If they did make an offer, how big could it have been?
This is the one situation where the incumbent can't make as large an offer as other teams. For details, look up "Gilbert Arenas provision" in my FAQ. The Rockets (or another team with sufficient cap room) could offer Lin a three- or four-year contract with a big raise starting in the third year. The Knicks could only offer 7.5 percent raises.

And what about other teams like the Rockets? How much could they have offered and are the rules different for their offers?
Per the Gilbert Arenas provision, the third year could be as much as it could have been had they signed him with all their cap room and given him 4.5 percent raises had the Gilbert Arenas provision not existed.

If Lin's "Bird rights" restrict how the Knicks can pay him, then are they even a good thing? Why not just let him become an unrestricted free agent?
Lin's Bird rights (actually, the two-year version called Early Bird) allowed them to pay up to the average salary. Without those Bird rights, the Knicks would have had to use their mid-level exception to pay him, and could not give him more than he could have made with Bird rights (and only could have come close if they accepted a hard cap at $74.3 million). In addition, if Lin was an unrestricted free agent, he could have signed with any other team and the Knicks wouldn't have been able to do anything about it.

Lot more stuff in the link

[SelbyCobra]

If any of you have a gf/wife, I suggest turning off the computer now and just go and smash that all day. Much more productive than any "news" that will come out of this thread.

What if we're working in an office in order to procure money to keep said wife? What do you reccomend then?

[Jay10]

"How's that petition to re-sign Lin coming along? I hear they have a 10,000 names. Wow. (Dolan sells three times as many hot dogs in 1 night)"

- frank isola

[K_ick_God]

It's funny but I would have told you that with his international appeal, financial upside, and his basketball game, there was 0% chance we let him go. Especially considering that we have no young PG prospects or even any quality PG's who are in their prime (that's not Ray Fats). So it'd been a firm 0% if you think about it from every angle.

Now add in that the contract was essentially expected and, it could be argued, actually not as bad as it could have been -- there isn't a fourth year at $15M -- the odds would remain at 0% seemingly.

Now, add in that the Nets are moving into Brooklyn and have an All-Star PG to boast about, and the odds would seemingly be less than ZERO that we let him go.

And given all of that, we sit here today on the brink of epic disaster.

I'd love to say that all is well that ends well but the very fact that we're making this a hard decision when it is so easy -- as the poster above said -- really is a very ominous sign about our team. Very ominous. He should be matched already -- simple deal. Just announce you're matching and then don't actually match to the last minute to harm Houston as much as possible.

I have to think that this is about some way that the negotiation got screwed up and messed with Dolan's pride; otherwise this is a clear and absolute no-brainer that has yet again turned into a circus.

How is this any different or better than Anucha? It's not. It's worse because it directly affects our future and roster.

[Falstaffxx]

Frank Isola: Of course, the good people of Argentina will tell you that with Pablo Prigioni on the roster, Lin will be Knicks fourth string point guard 2 minutes ago

Frank Isola: When you get right down to it we're all wasting a lot of time wondering if Jeremy Lin is going to be the Knicks third string point guard. 3 minutes ago

lol..what?

I real don't get Isola's schtick, with the Lin stuff, and also the constant harassment of Berman. It's bizarre. The guy gets paid to troll.

[blackbishop]

I know the Daily News isn't very reliable, and there are no quotes here, but this is a piece of information I haven't seen before:

The Knicks were already upset with Lin for hiring a publicist without consulting with them first, and then Lin sought to rework his contract.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... z20sWVfcC0

If true, this feeds into the whole Dolan ego thing. He regards the Knicks as his personal plaything and gets mad if he can't have absolute control. Woodson had to fire his agent and show he towed the company line. Lin showing independence by hiring his own publicist, which is part of the his new agency's firm's standing partners, doesn't sit well with them, I guess. Dolan needs to feel like the boss and be in absolute control and own everyone on his staff and team. If he tells you to fire an agent, you obey. This whole ego and "loyalty" bs that Dolan's got going interfering with basketball and business decisions. I hope it's just the Daily News making crap up.

I find it strange that people are not at least remotely irked that LIN RENEGOTIATED the terms of his deal with houston.

They attack melo but melo was just putting voice to what many people already believe. That was some foul sheet that happened there. He negotiates a contract that the knicks were all to happy to match so he goes back to a team he supposedly doesnt want to go to and renegotiates the contract for more money and that team who only sees LIN as a money grab is all to happy to oblige.

So LIN renegotiating a contract that financially hurts the team he supposedly WANTS to be on is OK.

Melo giving voice to what 70% plus people (see espn poll of 140k people) think about LIN's contract is despicable.

I mean if i ran a company and my really good employee came to me with an offer that another company wanted to hire him for 300k when I was paying him 100k and i said cool ill match that you do good work. Then he goes back to that company and he comes back saying they now offered him 500k.

Im saying 'SEE YA!"

[j4remi]

Cosign. Still think we should match though.

I agree...they should match...but I'll understand if they don't and it won't change my stance as a Knick fan or my outlook on management which is improved since Walsh took over through Grunwald's reign.

[god shammgod]

"How's that petition to re-sign Lin coming along? I hear they have a 10,000 names. Wow. (Dolan sells three times as many hot dogs in 1 night)"

- frank isola

i was surprised by that. i was also surprised how many people followed lin on twitter. i expected him to have the most followers of all knicks. but carmelo has more then twice as much.

[SelbyCobra]

Of course they get paid. If he retires medically then they can get rid of the cap hit, but they get paid no matter what.

Yeah, you're right, my bad. I was confusing medical retirement with straight up retirement in my head.

[goshjosh]

Does anyone else think Frank Isola looks like Vinny Del Negro?

[Falstaffxx]

I mean if i ran a company and my really good employee came to me with an offer that another company wanted to hire him for 300k when I was paying him 100k and i said cool ill match that you do good work. Then he goes back to that company and he comes back saying they now offered him 500k.

Im saying 'SEE YA!"

Basketball is not like your office, and talented basketball players are harder to replace in their role than you are in yours.

[Jay10]

I know the Daily News isn't very reliable, and there are no quotes here, but this is a piece of information I haven't seen before:

The Knicks were already upset with Lin for hiring a publicist without consulting with them first, and then Lin sought to rework his contract.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... z20sWVfcC0

If true, this feeds into the whole Dolan ego thing. He regards the Knicks as his personal plaything and gets mad if he can't have absolute control. Woodson had to fire his agent and show he towed the company line. Lin showing independence by hiring his own publicist, which is part of the his new agency's firm's standing partners, doesn't sit well with them, I guess. Dolan needs to feel like the boss and be in absolute control and own everyone on his staff and team. If he tells you to fire an agent, you obey. This whole ego and "loyalty" bs that Dolan's got going interfering with basketball and business decisions. I hope it's just the Daily News making crap up.

I find it strange that people are not at least remotely irked that LIN RENEGOTIATED the terms of his deal with houston.

They attack melo but melo was just putting voice to what many people already believe. That was some foul sheet that happened there. He negotiates a contract that the knicks were all to happy to match so he goes back to a team he supposedly doesnt want to go to and renegotiates the contract for more money and that team who only sees LIN as a money grab is all to happy to oblige.

So LIN renegotiating a contract that financially hurts the team he supposedly WANTS to be on is OK.

Melo giving voice to what 70% plus people (see espn poll of 140k people) think about LIN's contract is despicable.

I mean if i ran a company and my really good employee came to me with an offer that another company wanted to hire him for 300k when I was paying him 100k and i said cool ill match that you do good work. Then he goes back to that company and he comes back saying they now offered him 500k.

Im saying 'SEE YA!"

you're wasting your time. in the eyes of some jeremy can do no wrong.

[OrangeandBlue20]

7th thread on this subject, amazing. Imagine how much more our fans would care if we won more than 1 playoff game in 11 seasons?!?

[K_ick_God]

Does anyone else think Frank Isola looks like Vinny Del Negro?

Don't see it. Isola looks like a cave man to me. He has the look of early man.