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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#521 » by Capn'O » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:29 pm

Trading Mitch?

As always, it depends. I would only move him for another very highly rated prospect or a high pick. I would doubt a team would trade a for sure top-5 pick for him but you never know. That's what I would want in this draft.

You don't close doors but this is a tough one to open. Most scenarios hold with Mitch.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#522 » by ADeP7 » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:31 pm

I do think whoever takes over for pills (god willing)
Will look at this roster and assume adding a wing or pg to Mitch and Barrett is better off than adding wiseman.

All things equal. If knicks had there choice of the main 3 (wiseman , ball , Edwards )
I think knicks end up taking Edwards or ball to make a nice young trio.
Problem with trading Mitch is you hope someone is high enough on him to part with a young pg to get a center.
But why would you want to acquire Mitch and give up a young running mate with him. He needs a guard.

Also I personally lean towards ball if I had the choice of 3 but for some reason I think if knicks were to end up with 1 they take Edwards over anyone
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#523 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:33 pm

To make my self more clear, I would not dump Mitch for a point guard just because we need one. Mitch has regressed this year but he does have a lot of potential still. So if the right guy drops in the draft, then yeah I would try move him. I wouldn’t trade Mitch for someone like Tyrese Maxey. Someone like Nico if possible is what I would do.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#524 » by Zenzibar » Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:46 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
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3toheadmelo wrote:I wouldn’t mind keeping Mitch as well but i don’t think it’s shortsided at all if you can flip Mitch for another draft pick to get a point guard or trading him for a young PG with a lot of upside.

Like if we could have a team of

Dejounte Murray
Jalen Green
RJ Barrett
Julius Randle
James Wiseman

We’d be hard to stop. I am suggesting we try to move Mitch for Murray and I know it’s a pipe dream but if we can do something similar like that we’d be set for the next decade.


That's the key though. In a package for a player like Murray yes, but for an unknown draft pick? It'll be ludicrous.

It depends on which guards are still available in the draft. If someone good drops then I’d do it. If not then just stick with him and Wiseman for now.


Given our current position in lottery and in the top 3. Would you trade Mitch for a shot at Cole Anthony?
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#525 » by newyorker4ever » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:00 pm

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Capn'O wrote:OT but I'm starting to feel Moo is right on Mitch regarding temperament. He's got the jump shot in his arsenal and refuses to let it fly. A player with a star's temperament would have told his coaches or any impediment off by now.

I still love him.


Can't remember where i saw it but MRob just came out and said he's gonna start putting up shots in games. I saw this yesterday or the day before.


I think I saw what you’re talking about. Berman tweeted Mitch did nothing against the lakers
Someone wrote this

“Offense is already there... I play with him every summer at our old high school and the man can stroke it. He just doesn’t get the opportunity for offense. But you’re right it will come. Offense is no worry @23savage____”

And mitch retweeted it saying “only people who know me , thanks bro “



Nice find but i'm pretty sure that's not the one i saw.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#526 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:11 pm

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That's the key though. In a package for a player like Murray yes, but for an unknown draft pick? It'll be ludicrous.

It depends on which guards are still available in the draft. If someone good drops then I’d do it. If not then just stick with him and Wiseman for now.


Given our current position in lottery and in the top 3. Would you trade Mitch for a shot at Cole Anthony?

I don’t think I would. I’m pretty low on Cole. But I know a lot of people are high on him cause of his high school stuff so I could be wrong on him.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#527 » by Zenzibar » Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:11 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
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3toheadmelo wrote:It depends on which guards are still available in the draft. If someone good drops then I’d do it. If not then just stick with him and Wiseman for now.


Given our current position in lottery and in the top 3. Would you trade Mitch for a shot at Cole Anthony?

I don’t think I would. I’m pretty low on Cole. But I know a lot of people are high on him cause of his high school stuff so I could be wrong on him.


Hear you.

All of the freshmen this year came in underwhelming. But it could be that a few will be late bloomers and Cole, with his wet jumper can be one of them. If we were to fall out of the 3 spot, I would trade back and take a flyer on him.

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#528 » by Worst_to_First » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:11 am

Capn'O wrote:Trading Mitch?

As always, it depends. I would only move him for another very highly rated prospect or a high pick. I would doubt a team would trade a for sure top-5 pick for him but you never know. That's what I would want in this draft.

You don't close doors but this is a tough one to open. Most scenarios hold with Mitch.


Yeah most if not almost all teams around the league don’t value Mitch as much as we do.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#529 » by Worst_to_First » Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:48 am

3toheadmelo wrote:To make my self more clear, I would not dump Mitch for a point guard just because we need one. Mitch has regressed this year but he does have a lot of potential still. So if the right guy drops in the draft, then yeah I would try move him. I wouldn’t trade Mitch for someone like Tyrese Maxey. Someone like Nico if possible is what I would do.


One thing interesting in this coming draft is that it is guard heavy while most lottery teams have their backcourts relatively set.

Warriors- Curry/Klay/D-Lo
Hawks - Trae; Huerter can get moved to the 3 but that team still has Hunter and Reddish
Knicks - RJ is more of a 3; we are the most backcourt-starved team however unfortunate to find ourselves in an underwhelming guard class
Cavs - Garland/Sexton but I can see that team unloading the latter
Hornets - Rozier/Graham
Wizards - Wall/Beal
Kings - Fox/Hield plus the intention to re-sign Bogdanovic
TWolves - a team that will definitely go for a guard
Bulls - could go for a PG to pair with LaVine but they already have Satoransky, White and Dunn
Pelicans - Lonzo/Jrue with Reddick in the picture
Pistons - could go for anyone but probably a guard
Suns - Rubio/Booker
Blazers - Dame/CJ
Grizzlies - Ja/Brooks

I can see as much as 11 teams that already have their backcourts set with possibly 7 wherein the guard they draft would likely come off the bench.

While Mitch is undervalued in the league there are perhaps a handful of teams here in the lottery that could find him as an attractive piece in case we decide to go for Wiseman with our pick.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#530 » by Zenzibar » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:34 am

Worst_to_First wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:To make my self more clear, I would not dump Mitch for a point guard just because we need one. Mitch has regressed this year but he does have a lot of potential still. So if the right guy drops in the draft, then yeah I would try move him. I wouldn’t trade Mitch for someone like Tyrese Maxey. Someone like Nico if possible is what I would do.


One thing interesting in this coming draft is that it is guard heavy while most lottery teams have their backcourts relatively set.

Warriors- Curry/Klay/D-Lo
Hawks - Trae; Huerter can get moved to the 3 but that team still has Hunter and Reddish
Knicks - RJ is more of a 3; we are the most backcourt-starved team however unfortunate to find ourselves in an underwhelming guard class
Cavs - Garland/Sexton but I can see that team unloading the latter
Hornets - Rozier/Graham
Wizards - Wall/Beal
Kings - Fox/Hield plus the intention to re-sign Bogdanovic
TWolves - a team that will definitely go for a guard
Bulls - could go for a PG to pair with LaVine but they already have Satoransky, White and Dunn
Pelicans - Lonzo/Jrue with Reddick in the picture
Pistons - could go for anyone but probably a guard
Suns - Rubio/Booker
Blazers - Dame/CJ
Grizzlies - Ja/Brooks

I can see as much as 11 teams that already have their backcourts set with possibly 7 wherein the guard they draft would likely come off the bench.

While Mitch is undervalued in the league there are perhaps a handful of teams here in the lottery that could find him as an attractive piece in case we decide to go for Wiseman with our pick.



To me your list and draft plan seem like a contradiction.

If we are the lottery team with the biggest backcourt need, specifically a scoring point, are you saying to trade a year2 center prospect just to draft a relatively unknown prospect?

Because at this point in his development, you're not getting a shot at another top 10 pick for Mitchell Robinson. Why not just move back for a shot at Cole Anthony and another 1st?
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#531 » by Mecca » Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:04 am

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3toheadmelo wrote:
Zenzibar wrote:
Given our current position in lottery and in the top 3. Would you trade Mitch for a shot at Cole Anthony?

I don’t think I would. I’m pretty low on Cole. But I know a lot of people are high on him cause of his high school stuff so I could be wrong on him.


Hear you.

All of the freshmen this year came in underwhelming. But it could be that a few will be late bloomers and Cole, with his wet jumper can be one of them. If we were to fall out of the 3 spot, I would trade back and take a flyer on him.



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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#532 » by Worst_to_First » Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:33 am

Zenzibar wrote:
Worst_to_First wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:To make my self more clear, I would not dump Mitch for a point guard just because we need one. Mitch has regressed this year but he does have a lot of potential still. So if the right guy drops in the draft, then yeah I would try move him. I wouldn’t trade Mitch for someone like Tyrese Maxey. Someone like Nico if possible is what I would do.


One thing interesting in this coming draft is that it is guard heavy while most lottery teams have their backcourts relatively set.

Warriors- Curry/Klay/D-Lo
Hawks - Trae; Huerter can get moved to the 3 but that team still has Hunter and Reddish
Knicks - RJ is more of a 3; we are the most backcourt-starved team however unfortunate to find ourselves in an underwhelming guard class
Cavs - Garland/Sexton but I can see that team unloading the latter
Hornets - Rozier/Graham
Wizards - Wall/Beal
Kings - Fox/Hield plus the intention to re-sign Bogdanovic
TWolves - a team that will definitely go for a guard
Bulls - could go for a PG to pair with LaVine but they already have Satoransky, White and Dunn
Pelicans - Lonzo/Jrue with Reddick in the picture
Pistons - could go for anyone but probably a guard
Suns - Rubio/Booker
Blazers - Dame/CJ
Grizzlies - Ja/Brooks

I can see as much as 11 teams that already have their backcourts set with possibly 7 wherein the guard they draft would likely come off the bench.

While Mitch is undervalued in the league there are perhaps a handful of teams here in the lottery that could find him as an attractive piece in case we decide to go for Wiseman with our pick.



To me your list and draft plan seem like a contradiction.

If we are the lottery team with the biggest backcourt need, specifically a scoring point, are you saying to trade a year2 center prospect just to draft a relatively unknown prospect?

Because at this point in his development, you're not getting a shot at another top 10 pick for Mitchell Robinson. Why not just move back for a shot at Cole Anthony and another 1st?


It boils down to how wide the gap one thinks would be between James Wiseman and let’s say a PG like Cole Anthony as well as between Wiseman and Mitch.

If one thinks that it is not wide or none at all then the latter move you suggested is the proper course of action.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#533 » by Galou » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:31 am

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#534 » by Galou » Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:34 am

Tyrese hailiburbur would be cool too.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#535 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:51 pm

Worst_to_First wrote:
Capn'O wrote:Trading Mitch?

As always, it depends. I would only move him for another very highly rated prospect or a high pick. I would doubt a team would trade a for sure top-5 pick for him but you never know. That's what I would want in this draft.

You don't close doors but this is a tough one to open. Most scenarios hold with Mitch.


Yeah most if not almost all teams around the league don’t value Mitch as much as we do.


You think that's true? I mean, announcers aren't management, but every time I catch a stream of the Knicks that isn't Knicks announcers, those announcers gush about Mitch.

Then again, he's the only thing vaguely exciting about the team, so I guess that might be it.

He's McGee/WCS. Knick fans overhype him because that's what we do. Still a solid pick up with a high 2nd rounder. Worth keeping for 20 minutes of defense and dunks.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#536 » by El Poochio » Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:25 pm

Galou wrote:I want Mark Jackson as a coach and hopefully lamelo
comes to us.


I want LaMelo in New York so much I wouldnt mind Mark Jackson, cant be that worse from other con men like Fish Horny Fizz
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Post#537 » by knickstape21 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:07 pm

Think we’re all sleeping on Cole Anthony. Excited for him to get back. Lets see if he can provide a spark for UNC and the team rallies around him.
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Post#538 » by TheGreenArrow » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:26 pm

Spencer has me liking coles fit with RJ more and more with his twitter thread.

If Wiseman Edwards and lamelos off the board Cole is my guy.
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Post#539 » by knickstape21 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:40 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:Spencer has me liking coles fit with RJ more and more with his twitter thread.

If Wiseman Edwards and lamelos off the board Cole is my guy.


A PG that can shoot and control the tempo would be a dream. I think Cole can provide both of those.

Only thing I’m worried about is his size (although pesky defender) and his lack of “slipperiness”

UNC spacing sucks. Bet he plays better in the NBA.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2) 

Post#540 » by TheScout31 » Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:41 pm

knickstape21 wrote:Think we’re all sleeping on Cole Anthony. Excited for him to get back. Lets see if he can provide a spark for UNC and the team rallies around him.


Scouting report should be out later today or tomorrow (Wiseman out yesterday, LaMelo the day before), but video / quick Synergy profile:

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