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2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#521 » by Pointgod » Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:19 am

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It's go time! Platinum Plan is poppin'.

Just read the horrors Trump is going to unleash on Black America

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Are you trying to be funny? I think you are, but I'm not entirely sure

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs is what Trump said in 2016 and he has the worst economic rating of any president in the past half century.

He can't even create a job for his white base so WTF is he going to do for Black America?

That's some comedy gold you've got there


The “Platinum Plan” should be the aluminum foil plan. It’s straight garbage

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#522 » by Phish Tank » Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:24 am

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#523 » by robillionaire » Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:28 am

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We're just wired differently and I'll have to accept that. I've been vocal about the fascist takeover before anyone else so we're not really different in our outlook on what we're fighting against. But I tend to be the guy who is upbeat at the beginning of every Knicks season so there's that.

I agree that it is not over until Trump's fat ass is out of the door. The damage he and those around him will do between now and January is still a tragedy in the making even with the election results settled. It is pretty horrific that we have an administration that will only sabotage the incoming president on their way out. I half expect the WH to be looted of all art and furniture and the floor to be covered with shredded documents when Biden steps through the door.


All that said, sure, I’m not denying that the polls look good for Biden and the way things have unfolded for him couldn’t have gone very much better. If this was a normal election without an aspiring dictator hell bent on maintaining power by any means necessary, with a newly minted activist court, backed by a bunch of militiamen that are “standing by” I’d have no qualms about flippantly saying it looks as if Biden has it and put the champagne on ice. I kinda envy those who are able to feel that way. Meanwhile I’m not sleeping. Yes, I have an anxiety issue. :lol:


I don't feel that way. I won't be able to relax until the data is in and locked down.

What I'm disagreeing with is any tendency to latch on to bad analysis whenever it validates fears. Moore's video sucked. There is better material to pivot off of.

There is a difference between guarding against complacency and fear mongering just like there's a difference between flippant over-confidence and solid analysis giving one a rational basis that Biden at this point is very likely to win.


Based on the data, Biden is even more likely to win than Hillary was in 2016. And she was extremely likely to win. That’s a fact. Yet, I still get very little comfort from that analysis.

Moore is an entertainer. Him calling trump an evil genius is satire. Sure there’s much better material. I just think the primary thrust of his opinion was more “guarding against complacency” than fear mongering or even a genuine prediction that trump will win. It’s being distorted by the right wing twitter page that’s presenting it though.

Also Re: Moore, I don’t even think his 2016 “prediction” was even a real prediction, as opposed to him trying to warn people that Trump could win and not to be complacent. Nobody seemed to believe Trump could really win. Not even Trump. Maybe he ultimately failed in getting that messaging across but it was the correct approach at the time and had more people decided to heed that warning maybe he wouldn’t have won that election by the most narrow of margins. So here we are again.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#524 » by Oscirus » Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:54 am

I honestly think that conservatives are tanking this election to set themselves up for a better future. I dont imagine they want trump to be the face anymore and they've put alot of **** in place thats gonna make it really hard for the dems in the future. I think they'll be only too happy to blame biden for trumps economy 4 years from now. Unfortunately we have to concentrate on the now until such time as trump leaves the white house. Hopefully the dems work on immediately removing those minefields upon biden assuming office (provided that he wins).
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#525 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:11 am

Oscirus wrote:I honestly think that conservatives are tanking this election to set themselves up for a better future. I dont imagine they want trump to be the face anymore and they've put alot of **** in place thats gonna make it really hard for the dems in the future. I think they'll be only too happy to blame biden for trumps economy 4 years from now. Unfortunately we have to concentrate on the now until such time as trump leaves the white house. Hopefully the dems work on immediately removing those minefields upon biden assuming office (provided that he wins).


Most of the GOP is already moving on from Trump in anticipation of losing. It doesn't mean they chose that option. If they thought they could win with Hitler's corpse as the nominee they'd do it. If they felt Trump had a chance to win they'd be all over it. At the end of day, being in control matters more to them than who is in the WH. So, sure, they can now plot their path without Trump which is probably what the GOP needs to survive.

But let's not forget the avalanche of prosecutions and jail time coming. The national drama of the GOP's corruption will be in the spotlight for years to come.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#526 » by Oscirus » Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:16 am

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Oscirus wrote:I honestly think that conservatives are tanking this election to set themselves up for a better future. I dont imagine they want trump to be the face anymore and they've put alot of **** in place thats gonna make it really hard for the dems in the future. I think they'll be only too happy to blame biden for trumps economy 4 years from now. Unfortunately we have to concentrate on the now until such time as trump leaves the white house. Hopefully the dems work on immediately removing those minefields upon biden assuming office (provided that he wins).


Most of the GOP is already moving on from Trump in anticipation of losing. It doesn't mean they chose that option. If they thought they could win with Hitler's corpse as the nominee they'd do it. If they felt Trump had a chance to win they'd be all over it. At the end of day, being in control matters more to them than who is in the WH. So, sure, they can now plot their path without Trump which is probably what the GOP needs to survive.

But let's not forget the avalanche of prosecutions and jail time coming. The national drama of the GOP's corruption will be in the spotlight for years to come.

I dont think republicans mind either way. However, I still think they'd prefer not to have trump as the head of their party.
As for the corruption coming out, I'll believe it when i see it. But I get the feeling that "uniting the country" is going to play a part in how hard those investigations go.
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Post#527 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:19 am

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Nobody should relax at this point. Trump can still win. But Moore implying Trump is likely to win is not rooted in anything but PTSD.


He didn’t say likely. He pretty much said exactly what you did if you go to the last 10 seconds or so of the video

Act as if it could happen again and act accordingly

I mean would it have better if he said “it’s in the bag everybody, go celebrate!” Overconfidence of people thinking Hillary had it in the bag was one of the reasons things happened the way they did last time. The more people he convinces that it’s going to be close and that their vote is critical, the better


You make it sound like Michael Moore is going to convince someone who wasn't already motivated to vote to leap up off of their couch on Nov. 3rd and vote, because omigod he's right Trump could win! I should vote after all! Get out of the way, I've got to get to city hall before the polls close!

Are you effing kidding us? What loser who can't make up their mind yet would be watching that video and suddenly be compelled to vote? This is daft


Actually, all of you pro Lincoln Grifter Project fanboys who claim that we needed it to help siphon off all of the "undecided voters." Even back when this debate was first addressed I asked "who the fck are these so-called undecided voters you speak of?"
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#528 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:19 am

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Oscirus wrote:I honestly think that conservatives are tanking this election to set themselves up for a better future. I dont imagine they want trump to be the face anymore and they've put alot of **** in place thats gonna make it really hard for the dems in the future. I think they'll be only too happy to blame biden for trumps economy 4 years from now. Unfortunately we have to concentrate on the now until such time as trump leaves the white house. Hopefully the dems work on immediately removing those minefields upon biden assuming office (provided that he wins).


Most of the GOP is already moving on from Trump in anticipation of losing. It doesn't mean they chose that option. If they thought they could win with Hitler's corpse as the nominee they'd do it. If they felt Trump had a chance to win they'd be all over it. At the end of day, being in control matters more to them than who is in the WH. So, sure, they can now plot their path without Trump which is probably what the GOP needs to survive.

But let's not forget the avalanche of prosecutions and jail time coming. The national drama of the GOP's corruption will be in the spotlight for years to come.

I dont think republicans mind either way. However, I still think they'd prefer not to have trump as the head of their party.
As for the corruption coming out, I'll believe it when i see it. But I get the feeling that "uniting the country" is going to play a part in how hard those investigations go.


I've followed the corrruption angle pretty closely. Cases are being prepped NOW. Triggers will be pulled after they vacate the WH. No, this is not going to be a kumbayah picnic. you're wrong about that
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#529 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:21 am

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He didn’t say likely. He pretty much said exactly what you did if you go to the last 10 seconds or so of the video

Act as if it could happen again and act accordingly

I mean would it have better if he said “it’s in the bag everybody, go celebrate!” Overconfidence of people thinking Hillary had it in the bag was one of the reasons things happened the way they did last time. The more people he convinces that it’s going to be close and that their vote is critical, the better


You make it sound like Michael Moore is going to convince someone who wasn't already motivated to vote to leap up off of their couch on Nov. 3rd and vote, because omigod he's right Trump could win! I should vote after all! Get out of the way, I've got to get to city hall before the polls close!

Are you effing kidding us? What loser who can't make up their mind yet would be watching that video and suddenly be compelled to vote? This is daft


Actually, all of you pro Lincoln Grifter Project fanboys who claim that we needed it to help siphon off all of the "undecided voters." Even back when this debate was first addressed I asked "who the fck are these so-called undecided voters you speak of?"


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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#530 » by stuporman » Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:53 am

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No one here is being "a centrist".

You can acknowledge Greenwald's gone off the reservation without being a centrist.


Do you realize that the phrase you used is considered racist by some but is probably insensitive to indigenous regardless?

I wasn't even referring to the Greedwald situation to be clear, I don't really know what it's all about anyway, you read that into it.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#531 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:23 am

https://www.nationaljournal.com/s/711037?unlock=SRT6SBVCJHPBFJTS

This guy is a seasoned election caller. Read this if you want the realistic outlook on how election night might play out.
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Post#532 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:32 am

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#533 » by SelbyCobra » Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:58 am

If Trump loses this election we are going to see presidential pardons the likes of which we've never seen before, and won't ever see again.
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Post#534 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:07 am

SelbyCobra wrote:If Trump loses this election we are going to see presidential pardons the likes of which we've never seen before, and won't ever see again.


The rumor I heard was that Trump would resign and then Pence would pardon him. FWIW
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Post#535 » by spree2kawhi » Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:01 am

You know you're in a failed state when not all votes might be counted. This shouldn't even be a topic in the modern world. When the head of state openly promotes that (and provides no logical arguments, doesn't even attempt to), it's even worse than what you could possibly imagine. This is as bad as it gets anywhere you look around the world.

Four years later, the state of the USA is disastrous. This is a country in flames with basically no guaranteed human rights left. None. It really is that bad.

Take a step back, breathe and you realize: Civilization as a whole has been ripped down and eroded.
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Post#536 » by robillionaire » Fri Oct 30, 2020 10:12 am

spree2kawhi wrote:You know you're in a failed state when not all votes might be counted. This shouldn't even be a topic in the modern world. When the head of state openly promotes that (and provides no logical arguments, doesn't even attempt to), it's even worse than what you could possibly imagine. This is as bad as it gets anywhere you look around the world.

Four years later, the state of the USA is disastrous. This is a country in flames with basically no guaranteed human rights left. None. It really is that bad.

Take a step back, breathe and you realize: Civilization as a whole has been ripped down and eroded.


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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#537 » by WargamesX » Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:05 pm

Oscirus wrote:I honestly think that conservatives are tanking this election to set themselves up for a better future. I dont imagine they want trump to be the face anymore and they've put alot of **** in place thats gonna make it really hard for the dems in the future. I think they'll be only too happy to blame biden for trumps economy 4 years from now. Unfortunately we have to concentrate on the now until such time as trump leaves the white house. Hopefully the dems work on immediately removing those minefields upon biden assuming office (provided that he wins).


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Post#538 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:14 pm

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stuporman wrote:You know how to trigger a useless centrist liberal? Not be like them.


No one here is being "a centrist".

You can acknowledge Greenwald's gone off the reservation without being a centrist.


Do you realize that the phrase you used is considered racist by some but is probably insensitive to indigenous regardless?

I wasn't even referring to the Greedwald situation to be clear, I don't really know what it's all about anyway, you read that into it.


That would be spectacularly oversensitive. Way to try to change the topic though.
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Post#539 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:00 pm

I'm a firm believer in democracy. America gets the government it deserves each and every time.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#540 » by BKlutch » Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:34 pm

Oscirus wrote:I honestly think that conservatives are tanking this election to set themselves up for a better future. I dont imagine they want trump to be the face anymore and they've put alot of **** in place thats gonna make it really hard for the dems in the future. I think they'll be only too happy to blame biden for trumps economy 4 years from now. Unfortunately we have to concentrate on the now until such time as trump leaves the white house. Hopefully the dems work on immediately removing those minefields upon biden assuming office (provided that he wins).

I've actually considered this idea but have come to think it's not true. There are several large reasons why.

First, while some think that Biden is old and will be a caretaker, that discounts one of his best political attributes. He is a team player and he is the captain of the team. Remember when we were young and a bunch of us would play baseball? Usually the two best players would be on opposite sides, then each would select one of us in turn until the tems were all chosen. Definitely, Biden is chosing a great team. This team may accomplish a lot more than we have generally thought, and that could change the complexion of Washington (both in terms of ideology and literally color).

Second, Biden has a long term view of politics. He will make moves to strengthen the Democrats' hold on government long into the future, by supporting local redistricting to reduce gerymanders, supporting strong young candidates, and helping to remove the conservative political bias from textbooks, etc.

Third, many of the conservatives have been Trump sycophants and reporters I'm hoping a lot of us remember who they are and continue to hold a grudge.

There will likely be new safeguards agains the worst of Trump's abuses of government process.

The progressive wing of the Democtratic party is very likely to become idologically more a part of government policies and this could tend to strengthen not just the party but the country. If a Biden administration is successful, it is unlikely that people will turn towards the conservatives (and their failed government over the past four years) to undo the economic prosperity and other dividends of a good presidency.

Also, don't discount how true, principled conservatives have become marginalized in the Republican party compared to the far right wackos who make up so much of Trump's base. I'm not sure that the Republican party will survive as one party, or whether it will become two smaller parties going forward.

A lot can happen in 4 years, and I don't believe principled conservatives want to lose and take the risk they'll be marginalized out of politics.
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