The uncomfortable "truth" about this season (Julius and RJ)

nedleeds · Post #521 » by **nedleeds** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:33 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Just so my feeble mind is clear, Randle IS coming back next season to play for the Knicks. Riiiiight?

I would snap trade Randle for the GSW 6th pick and matching salary. But again the league doesn't see Randle as that valuable despite some of the people on this boards perception. Any lower than 6 or so and I'd expect an asset along with the pick.

WargamesX · Post #522 » by **WargamesX** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:00 pm

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This has been my issue from jump. Yeah Randle and RJ **** the bed, but Thibs coaching did not help them. His general reluctance to make adjustments did not put his players in the best position to win.

Post #523 » by **moocow007** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:36 pm

WargamesX wrote:

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This has been my issue from jump. Yeah Randle and RJ **** the bed, but Thibs coaching did not help them. His general reluctance to make adjustments did not put his players in the best position to win.

To be fair, there really isn't much that Thibs could do. Rose showed 2.5 games into that Hawks series that he can't start and play major minutes. Burks isn't a PG. IQ isn't a PG...especially when it comes to distribution and setting up teammates. Payton is Payton and Frank is Frank. The only other guy on the roster that could possibly have played point is Jared Harper.

The reality is that the Knicks were severely limited from the talent standpoint and it was a miracle that they even managed to win 41 games in the regular season. That's why Thibs won COY after all, cause the talent on the Knicks team was just attrocious and got exposed in the playoffs by the surging Hawks.

But yeah I think folks are getting carried away with what the Knicks should have been able to do this season. Talent wise they are a top 3 lottery team.

Post #524 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:46 pm

nedleeds wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Just so my feeble mind is clear, Randle IS coming back next season to play for the Knicks. Riiiiight?

I would snap trade Randle for the GSW 6th pick and matching salary. But again the league doesn't see Randle as that valuable despite some of the people on this boards perception. Any lower than 6 or so and I'd expect an asset along with the pick.

Yea, we would probably get 60cents to the dollar in a Randle trade so he is most likely not going anywhere...Out of everyone I would say he has the greatest chance of coming back.

Post #525 » by **GONYK** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:12 pm

I'm surprised Begley would give cred to a clown like MGRADS

WargamesX · Post #526 » by **WargamesX** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:17 pm

GONYK wrote:I'm surprised Begley would give cred to a clown like MGRADS

I'm assuming he verified the source and its true Randle was asking for the ball at different spots and told no

WargamesX · Post #527 » by **WargamesX** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:20 pm

moocow007 wrote:
WargamesX wrote:

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This has been my issue from jump. Yeah Randle and RJ **** the bed, but Thibs coaching did not help them. His general reluctance to make adjustments did not put his players in the best position to win.

To be fair, there really isn't much that Thibs could do. Rose showed 2.5 games into that Hawks series that he can't start and play major minutes. Burks isn't a PG. IQ isn't a PG...especially when it comes to distribution and setting up teammates. Payton is Payton and Frank is Frank. The only other guy on the roster that could possibly have played point is Jared Harper.

The reality is that the Knicks were severely limited from the talent standpoint and it was a miracle that they even managed to win 41 games in the regular season. That's why Thibs won COY after all, cause the talent on the Knicks team was just attrocious and got exposed in the playoffs by the surging Hawks.

But yeah I think folks are getting carried away with what the Knicks should have been able to do this season. Talent wise they are a top 3 lottery team.

Even lacking talent the lack of adjustments and experimentation was bad and falls on Thibs. I'm not saying what you are saying isn't true. We werent the most talented team. However, these guys weren't looking for mismatches. If Hunter is giving Randle problems the plan should have been to get him shots vs other guys on the court. That is the definition of playoff basketball.

nedleeds · Post #528 » by **nedleeds** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:13 pm

moocow007 wrote:
WargamesX wrote:

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This has been my issue from jump. Yeah Randle and RJ **** the bed, but Thibs coaching did not help them. His general reluctance to make adjustments did not put his players in the best position to win.

To be fair, there really isn't much that Thibs could do.

I call a little bit of BS here. I agree that once in the series he was limited, BUT ... This is because of Thibs obsession with winning every regular season game by grinding Julius and RJ 38+ minutes a **** game.

IF he had managed the roster, benched the obviously awful Payton a month earlier he could have gotten some evaluation and game time for I.Q. at starter, or Frank at starter. Maybe they would have sucked, but you'd at least have evaluated them and gotten them some run. It was obvious to everyone on Earth who could fire 2 neurons except Thibs and Perry that Payton was a terrible player, a terrible fit and has no future here.

Thibs is an awful in game coach, terrible at roster and player management. He's a floor raising motivator and looks great following up the absolute dumpster level coaches we've had the past 4 years, but overall he's awful.

TheGreenArrow · Post #529 » by **TheGreenArrow** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:22 pm

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KEEP HATING FOLKS!!!!!!

KEEP HATING!!!!!!!!!!!!

thebuzzardman · Post #530 » by **thebuzzardman** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:50 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:

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KEEP HATING FOLKS!!!!!!

KEEP HATING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tatum is an obviously better player and that obviousness was obvious from day 1

TheGreenArrow · Post #531 » by **TheGreenArrow** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:56 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:

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KEEP HATING FOLKS!!!!!!

KEEP HATING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tatum is an obviously better player and that obviousness was obvious from day 1

Tatum is definitely the better scorer!!!!!

Rj wins every other category, reb,defense, passing etc!!!!!

Rjs a better all around player and it isn’t even close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thebuzzardman · Post #532 » by **thebuzzardman** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:02 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:

Read on Twitter

KEEP HATING FOLKS!!!!!!

KEEP HATING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tatum is an obviously better player and that obviousness was obvious from day 1

Tatum is definitely the better scorer!!!!!

Rj wins every other category, reb,defense, passing etc!!!!!

Rjs a better all around player and it isn’t even close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tatum is flat out better

TheGreenArrow · Post #533 » by **TheGreenArrow** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:05 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Tatum is an obviously better player and that obviousness was obvious from day 1

Tatum is definitely the better scorer!!!!!

Rj wins every other category, reb,defense, passing etc!!!!!

Rjs a better all around player and it isn’t even close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tatum is flat out better

Obviously rn he is!!!!!

He’s older!!!!!

Rj will undoubtedly be better as early as even next season!!!!!

thebuzzardman · Post #534 » by **thebuzzardman** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:21 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:
Tatum is definitely the better scorer!!!!!

Rj wins every other category, reb,defense, passing etc!!!!!

Rjs a better all around player and it isn’t even close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tatum is flat out better

Obviously rn he is!!!!!

He’s older!!!!!

Rj will undoubtedly be better as early as even next season!!!!!

RJ will be older next year, yes.

3toheadmelo · Post #535 » by **3toheadmelo** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:22 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Tatum is an obviously better player and that obviousness was obvious from day 1

Tatum is definitely the better scorer!!!!!

Rj wins every other category, reb,defense, passing etc!!!!!

Rjs a better all around player and it isn’t even close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tatum is flat out better

At everything

Oscirus · Post #536 » by **Oscirus** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:24 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Tatum is flat out better

Obviously rn he is!!!!!

He’s older!!!!!

Rj will undoubtedly be better as early as even next season!!!!!

RJ will be older next year, yes.

I bet if RJ was a celtic or any other team not named the knicks, you wouldnt be so determined to label rowan a bust.

TheGreenArrow · Post #537 » by **TheGreenArrow** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:28 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
Tatum is flat out better

Obviously rn he is!!!!!

He’s older!!!!!

Rj will undoubtedly be better as early as even next season!!!!!

RJ will be older next year, yes.

I don’t get why you guys keep trashing our own players, from Randle to Rj heck you guys even kill coy thibs!!!!!!

Rj and Randle are legit cornerstone building blocks with room to grow!!!!

From where we came from as a franchise to where we are now, we should be more appreciative!!!!!!!

We have an extremely bright future and yet all I hear around here pessimism and doubt!!!!!!

It just seems like you guys love to be miserable!!!!

TheGreenArrow · Post #538 » by **TheGreenArrow** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:36 pm

Oscirus wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:
Obviously rn he is!!!!!

He’s older!!!!!

Rj will undoubtedly be better as early as even next season!!!!!

RJ will be older next year, yes.

I bet if RJ was a celtic or any other team not named the knicks, you wouldnt be so determined to label rowan a bust.

Yep!!!!!

Exactly!!!!!

thebuzzardman · Post #539 » by **thebuzzardman** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:58 pm

Oscirus wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:
Obviously rn he is!!!!!

He’s older!!!!!

Rj will undoubtedly be better as early as even next season!!!!!

RJ will be older next year, yes.

I bet if RJ was a celtic or any other team not named the knicks, you wouldnt be so determined to label rowan a bust.

I didn't say he's a bust. He's good. Tatum is excellent, therefore better.

thebuzzardman · Post #540 » by **thebuzzardman** » Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:59 pm

TheGreenArrow wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:
Obviously rn he is!!!!!

He’s older!!!!!

Rj will undoubtedly be better as early as even next season!!!!!

RJ will be older next year, yes.

I don’t get why you guys keep trashing our own players, from Randle to Rj heck you guys even kill coy thibs!!!!!!

Rj and Randle are legit cornerstone building blocks with room to grow!!!!

From where we came from as a franchise to where we are now, we should be more appreciative!!!!!!!

We have an extremely bright future and yet all I hear around here pessimism and doubt!!!!!!

It just seems like you guys love to be miserable!!!!

I've been one of Thibs biggest supporters all year.

Unlike you, who will throw him under the bus in a minute.

But I'm all for bashing him, just to annoy the likes of you.

Should have hired Kenny. Better at hair and development.