Who will the Knicks Target? Here's a List of REALISTIC Players

[jvsimonetti0514]

Lonzo played even worse against us during the season than Huerter did in the playoffs. And we saw what Huerter did to the Sixers in their series. Huerter can get to the rim too. Maybe the Hawks will be forced to trade him this off season or before the deadline next season for cap reasons?

I get that part of Lonzo being a secondary facilitator, outside shooter, and defender. Frank can fill that role and do so at a much cheaper cost. Frank was close to 90th percentile on catch and shoot 3s. We know he can play defense, even better than Lonzo.

Huerter is averaging 11.6 ppg in the playoffs on slightly better percentages during the regular season. This is who this kid is and that's a solid role player, I don't think we should overreact for a couple good games in the playoffs. If you look at his career numbers they're pretty much the same from Huerter first year with slight improvements in efficiency. Lonzo has made dramatic improvements with his efficiency and scoring. I mean that's how we ended up signing Jerome James to some crazy contract cuz of an overreaction to some playoff games. Don't get me wrong I wouldn't hate bringing in Huerter if the price was right but Idk if I see as much upside there as I do in Lonzo.

Frank can't fill that role cuz Frank isn't an NBA player and playing him more would not make us a better offensive team. Marci had a bunch of advanced stats showing the Lonzo made his team better. Frank's not even an upgrade for Bullock. If he was, Thibs would have played him in the rotation instead of being situational. We need to try to upgrade our startling line up, not make it worse.

Lonzo vs. Knicks

'20-'21:

- 27+ minutes, TS% .278 (lowest of all starters), 2-9 FGs (22%), 1-5 3P FGs (20%), 3 assists.

yes and? Why should those three games be weighed over the other 68?

[Knicksfan1992]

If we are being serious, its our best backcourt in years with Rose/Quickley off the bench. It's hard to go from worst backcourt to a top backcourt. Sometimes you gotta upgrade more slowly. Else, we will end up with Payton again.

Also you can start IQ with those guys.. RJ and Lonzo both are big enough to handle most wings in the league.

Quickley can add the more dynamic punch. People, in general, on this forum are sleeping on Quickley's offensive potential.

Lonzo
IQ
RJ
Randle
Mitch

Who, besides no one, except maybe Randle, can create and make a layup, in that lineup?

IQ actually drives at a pretty good rate. The question with him is more decision making based when he drives. He tends to avoid going for contact layups and put up inefficient floaters or make some questionable passing decisions RJ and Randle both drive to the hoop over 10 times a game. Same with Rose. IQ is at 6, but if you prorate his minutes out to starter minutes he would be close to that amount too.

At some point, this comes down to the Knicks development staff actually doing their jobs for once We need RJ to start converting more of his layups. Quickley to continue to improve in all facets and Randle to learn from the playoffs and come back an even more efficient and smarter player next year than he was this year.

I feel like a lot of the board has PTSD and is basically discounting our young guys getting better because they seemingly never do lol. But I'm actually fairly confident that we have a competent development staff in place and I think that showed this year with the jumps players made throughout the roster. That's why i'm more inclined to take a shot on Lonzo than maybe other people are

[Knicksfan1992]

Also you can start IQ with those guys.. RJ and Lonzo both are big enough to handle most wings in the league.

Quickley can add the more dynamic punch. People, in general, on this forum are sleeping on Quickley's offensive potential.

Lonzo
IQ
RJ
Randle
Mitch

Who, besides no one, except maybe Randle, can create and make a layup, in that lineup?

That line-up would be a disaster waiting to happen.

You're subbing out Bullock and IQ for upgrades and better shooting. It's not a disaster in the least bit.

Swap IQ with Elf and our starting lineup killed teams this year

[Besart19]

Quickley / Rose / Vildoza
Oladipo / Burks / Ntilikina
Leonard / Bullock / Knox
Randle / Toppin / Anthony
Robinson / Gasol / Gibson

[phuqtup1]

Why the hell anyone on this board would want Simmons(trainwreck)33, 35, 37 and 40 million due the next 4 years. Some people on this board need professional help.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Quickley / Rose / Vildoza
Oladipo / Burks / Ntilikina
Leonard / Bullock / Knox
Randle / Toppin / Anthony
Robinson / Gasol / Gibson

Leonard? Not happening.

[thebuzzardman]

Also you can start IQ with those guys.. RJ and Lonzo both are big enough to handle most wings in the league.

Quickley can add the more dynamic punch. People, in general, on this forum are sleeping on Quickley's offensive potential.

Lonzo
IQ
RJ
Randle
Mitch

Who, besides no one, except maybe Randle, can create and make a layup, in that lineup?

IQ actually drives at a pretty good rate. The question with him is more decision making based when he drives. He tends to avoid going for contact layups and put up inefficient floaters or make some questionable passing decisions RJ and Randle both drive to the hoop over 10 times a game. Same with Rose. IQ is at 6, but if you prorate his minutes out to starter minutes he would be close to that amount too.

At some point, this comes down to the Knicks development staff actually doing their jobs for once We need RJ to start converting more of his layups. Quickley to continue to improve in all facets and Randle to learn from the playoffs and come back an even more efficient and smarter player next year than he was this year.

I feel like a lot of the board has PTSD and is basically discounting our young guys getting better because they seemingly never do lol. But I'm actually fairly confident that we have a competent development staff in place and I think that showed this year with the jumps players made throughout the roster. That's why i'm more inclined to take a shot on Lonzo than maybe other people are

IQ stopped hitting floaters about halfway through the season when he got scouted.
His layups remind me of Greg Anthony and that's not a good thing.

He's a good player. He's really nice IF there is some wing on the team who can drive the ball whenever they want, not RJ who needs a screen and/or an obvious bad player on him.

It's a big "if" if IQ gets better or RJ does. They both seem to have the work ethic to do so, so I'd bet on it. I think I'd want them both to benefit from having a guy who can break down the defense 48 mpg for them (Rose + ? = 48 minutes) so they don't have their confidence shattered by defenses taking away the couple of things they do well right now.

[WargamesX]

Dinwiddie decline PO, does the Knicks go after him?

I think Knicks need to strongly consider going after him. He will be cheaper than Lonzo and Spencer is a dynamic scoring threat and can actually run some plays in the half court whereas Lonzo is best in transition, which in the playoffs doesn't matter as much.

I don't like him, but at least he'll attempt layups. With Ball, it's more a wish.

Ball + Lavine though, I'd be for.

I think that is what the bulls are going to do

Coby White for Ball works pretty well. If the Pelicans pull that trade even with Coby injured Chicago would look like.

Ball
Lavine
Pat Will
Young
Vucevic

Is still a bit ugly on paper but I think they’ll mesh and do better this year. They should be able to hide Zach defensively most possessions and let him and Vucevic focus on scoring.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Also you can start IQ with those guys.. RJ and Lonzo both are big enough to handle most wings in the league.

Quickley can add the more dynamic punch. People, in general, on this forum are sleeping on Quickley's offensive potential.

Lonzo
IQ
RJ
Randle
Mitch

Who, besides no one, except maybe Randle, can create and make a layup, in that lineup?

Lonzo, IQ, RJ, Rose can do a little bit of everything combined. It's not winning a title but its an upgrade and we still have a lot of room to keep improving the roster.

But if you look at the Hawks, Bucks, Sixers...how many guys on those teams are great at creating offense? Basically its Trae, Embiid, and Giannis...Middlton, Jrue a little bit. By defintion of a lot of people those guys arent even good enough either to be guys creating offnese. Atl is led by Trae, but it also helps that they have a bunch of good, solid, quality non-star players that all fit a role. Players like Lonzo who would fit in to exactly the type of players they brought in to help. Sometimes those players add up.

People are just getting carried away with players that can create or bust mentality. Now of course if it comes down to it give me a star over a role player like Ball. But you still need players like Ball and the good ones get underrated. We don't want Mikal, we don't want Haliburton, we dont want Middleton, Jrue...but then these guys end up being critical pieces to there teams. Sometimes you can't always build a team with 3 superstars and bums. Its not always that easy. Sometimes you just got to keep adding quality players when you can even if they dont solve all our problems.

Basically we need $100, and we find a $20 bill you take the $20 and hope to find the rest later.

[thebuzzardman]

Also you can start IQ with those guys.. RJ and Lonzo both are big enough to handle most wings in the league.

Quickley can add the more dynamic punch. People, in general, on this forum are sleeping on Quickley's offensive potential.

Lonzo
IQ
RJ
Randle
Mitch

Who, besides no one, except maybe Randle, can create and make a layup, in that lineup?

Lonzo, IQ, RJ, Rose can do a little bit of everything combined. It's not winning a title but its an upgrade and we still have a lot of room to keep improving the roster.

But if you look at the Hawks, Bucks, Sixers...how many guys on those teams are great at creating offense? Basically its Trae, Embiid, and Giannis...Middlton, Jrue a little bit. By defintion of a lot of people those guys arent even good enough either to be guys creating offnese. Atl is led by Trae, but it also helps that they have a bunch of good, solid, quality non-star players that all fit a role. Players like Lonzo who would fit in to exactly the type of players they brought in to help. Sometimes those players add up.

People are just getting carried away with players that can create or bust mentality. Now of course if it comes down to it give me a star over a role player like Ball. But you still need players like Ball and the good ones get underrated. We don't want Mikal, we don't want Haliburton, we dont want Middleton, Jrue...but then these guys end up being critical pieces to there teams. Sometimes you can't always build a team with 3 superstars and bums. Its not always that easy. Sometimes you just got to keep adding quality players when you can even if they dont solve all our problems.

Basically we need $100, and we find a $20 bill you take the $20 and hope to find the rest later.

I've said plenty of times I don't mind Lonzo. As long as it's:
a) To take Bullocks spot and then a place holder PG who doesn't completely suck is signed to split the 48 with Rose
or
b)The Knicks have some WWW info completely knowing they'll get a wing who can create to put alongside RJ/Ball

If the Knicks walk away this offseason signing Ball, but not upgrading PG or wing in terms of another player who can penetrate, then the team is only slightly better than the current version - maybe. And I don't think the Knicks were really a 4th seed, more a bubble 8th seed that got somewhat lucky.

They'll have to do better than just Ball. Nothing wrong with him, but alone, it's not enough. And then next year Randle asks for the supermax.

*edit - I'm not scoffing at Ball. I think he helps most any team. I wanted Haliburton etc - I know you are addressing the board. I'm just wondering if Ball is the best fit, if that's the only place the money is going to go.

[newyorker4ever]

Norman Powell is the move. And move up for a guard in the draft.
Bring back rose and bullock off the bench

Giddey/ rose / Luca
Barrett/quick
Powell/ bullock
Randle / toppin
Mitch / Noel ?

Kick the cap can down to 22 with Beal lavine and maybe some other RFA

I'm definitely down with N.Powell and Giddey but if not Giddey then Davion Mitchell or N.Hyland/J.Butler/T.Mann. I'm also a big M.McBride fan.

[WindyCityBorn]

I think Knicks need to strongly consider going after him. He will be cheaper than Lonzo and Spencer is a dynamic scoring threat and can actually run some plays in the half court whereas Lonzo is best in transition, which in the playoffs doesn't matter as much.

I don't like him, but at least he'll attempt layups. With Ball, it's more a wish.

Ball + Lavine though, I'd be for.

I think that is what the bulls are going to do

Coby White for Ball works pretty well. If the Pelicans pull that trade even with Coby injured Chicago would look like.

Ball
Lavine
Pat Will
Young
Vucevic

Is still a bit ugly on paper but I think they’ll mesh and do better this year. They should be able to hide Zach defensively most possessions and let him and Vucevic focus on scoring.

I think we bring Theis back or sign someone else. Young is not a starter and falls apart if he plays more than 24 minutes.

[Fat Kat]

Prepare yourself for an Eric Bledsoe + picks salary dump.

[WargamesX]

I don't like him, but at least he'll attempt layups. With Ball, it's more a wish.

Ball + Lavine though, I'd be for.

I think that is what the bulls are going to do

Coby White for Ball works pretty well. If the Pelicans pull that trade even with Coby injured Chicago would look like.

Ball
Lavine
Pat Will
Young
Vucevic

Is still a bit ugly on paper but I think they’ll mesh and do better this year. They should be able to hide Zach defensively most possessions and let him and Vucevic focus on scoring.

I think we bring Theis back or sign someone else. Young is not a starter and falls apart if he plays more than 24 minutes.

Fair enough, I still think you guys do better than you look on paper.

[WindyCityBorn]

I think that is what the bulls are going to do

Coby White for Ball works pretty well. If the Pelicans pull that trade even with Coby injured Chicago would look like.

Ball
Lavine
Pat Will
Young
Vucevic

Is still a bit ugly on paper but I think they’ll mesh and do better this year. They should be able to hide Zach defensively most possessions and let him and Vucevic focus on scoring.

I think we bring Theis back or sign someone else. Young is not a starter and falls apart if he plays more than 24 minutes.

Fair enough, I still think you guys do better than you look on paper.

My expectation is be .500 or better. I think it is doable if they make good moves this off-season and stay healthy. Coby White not being able to train all off-season with the labrum tear makes me think we have to go hard for a starting PG.

[WargamesX]

I think we bring Theis back or sign someone else. Young is not a starter and falls apart if he plays more than 24 minutes.

Fair enough, I still think you guys do better than you look on paper.

My expectation is be .500 or better. I think it is doable if they make good moves this off-season and stay healthy. Coby White not being able to train all off-season with the labrum tear makes me think we have to go hard for a starting PG.

Before that tear I was pretty sure ya’ll were going to trade him for Lonzo, but I am not sure Griffin pulls the trigger now. Coby will be back in December right? If the Pelicans have another slow start they might fire him. The best move would be for you guys to keep your pick

[WindyCityBorn]

Fair enough, I still think you guys do better than you look on paper.

My expectation is be .500 or better. I think it is doable if they make good moves this off-season and stay healthy. Coby White not being able to train all off-season with the labrum tear makes me think we have to go hard for a starting PG.

Before that tear I was pretty sure ya’ll were going to trade him for Lonzo, but I am not sure Griffin pulls the trigger now. Coby will be back in December right? If the Pelicans have another slow start they might fire him. The best move would be for you guys to keep your pick

4 to 6 months so he could be back for the start season. Just sucks he won’t be able to work on his game at all. Of course keeping the pick would change everything.

[snadler]

Ball is the perfect settled for guard, he’s an improvement for sure but pretty much anyone would be, he’s not moving the needle for the knicks, but so many fans have been beaten down by past failures they are ok with settling. I’m completely against paying ball 20 plus million a year which is what it will take for him not to return to NO..I’ll pas on the settle candidate..I’d much rather take a shot on a low risk high reward player like dinwiddie

[KnicksGadfly]

Prepare yourself for an Eric Bledsoe + picks salary dump.

Wouldn’t hate it. Depends on compensation coming back. Wonder if the Knicks would do it for Bledsoe and Ball.

[Riot Randolph]

Prepare yourself for an Eric Bledsoe + picks salary dump.

Wouldn’t hate it. Depends on compensation coming back. Wonder if the Knicks would do it for Bledsoe and Ball.

Ball is a rfa...no way am I taking bledsoe for a rfa