knicks lose....i blame mpharris who blames thibs

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

it didn't work yesterday but the knicks were able to really focus on tatum defensively because brown wasn't a threat. that wouldn't be the case if he was healthy. if kp, white, holiday beat you then so be it.

i would have liked to seen our double big lineup against theirs. if we could have bullied them on the boards.

Meh. Healthy KP is their number 2, not Brown. Despite how it's written/spoken in the media.

I mean the thought is to let Brown be traded in the off-season for apron reasons, not KP or White (who's probably the third most important player for the Celtics).

how often is he healthy ? and they basically played most of the playoffs without him on the way to a championship. i would be very surprised if they decided to trade brown. horford is close to retirement, kp is unreliable for health reasons and jrue is declining. any of them would be a more logical choice.

It's a good but unanswerable question. Most of the time he's been out has been through contact injuries. But obviously one has worries that that is more likely with his frame.

Horford will almost certainly play another year. I think. Unless the post season is an obvious disaster caused by him. The Celtics's can't replace him. Jrue is certainly also someone in consideration of being traded. However the return would be considerably less.

[mpharris36]

First game against a contender we are at complete full health and went into overtime and we still cant take any positives out of it

I actually took a lot of positives out of it (from a player perspective). I just hate not fouling at the end of the game.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Our guys don't communicate on defense, not until the damage is already done, and they don't know when to switch. It's almost like we've spent an entire season not switching on defense.












This is all coaching, the players running into each other, not knowing what to do in the 79th game of the season and the 4th one against this team is comical. The first one in particular Mitch should have been on Brown, when you have KAT and Mitch on the floor together, you don't put your rim protector on the 40% shooter when there's a 33% shooter with a gimpy knee on the floor. Nobody knows what to do, they look shocked that the Celtics actually pass up driving to kick out to the skyscraper that hits threes.


It's been two years of exactly the same thing, over and over, they demolished us from three last year the same way they have done this season. KP joining that team has broken Thibs defense.

[knicksstuff]

First game against a contender we are at complete full health and went into overtime and we still cant take any positives out of it

I actually took a lot of positives out of it (from a player perspective). I just hate not fouling at the end of the game.

I agree on the fouling..... OG biting on the drive annoyed me more than not fouling though

[Jalen Bluntson]

Our guys don't communicate on defense, not until the damage is already done, and they don't know when to switch. It's almost like we've spent an entire season not switching on defense.












This is all coaching, the players running into each other, not knowing what to do in the 79th game of the season and the 4th one against this team is comical. The first one in particular Mitch should have been on Brown, when you have KAT and Mitch on the floor together, you don't put your rim protector on the 40% shooter when there's a 33% shooter with a gimpy knee on the floor. Nobody knows what to do, they look shocked that the Celtics actually pass up driving to kick out to the skyscraper that hits threes.


It's been two years of exactly the same thing, over and over, they demolished us from three last year the same way they have done this season. KP joining that team has broken Thibs defense.

Every defender sags to the paint and they play drop coverage after failing to fight over screens you could have switched. Maybe hedge and recover? Push the defense to the perimeter. You know, where this team/many teams ENTIRE offense is designed to score from. How Many times did we see KAT drop to protect the paint and one pass to KP on an island at the 3pt line? It was infuriating me.

People down playing the non foul at the end of regulation? What? They did the same with the non timeout when we ended up turning over the ball and forcing OT in the end. Blaming the players for making a mistake they never should have faced in the first place. GET YOUR FUGGIN HEAD IN THE GAME!!

[mpharris36]

First game against a contender we are at complete full health and went into overtime and we still cant take any positives out of it

I actually took a lot of positives out of it (from a player perspective). I just hate not fouling at the end of the game.

I agree on the fouling..... OG biting on the drive annoyed me more than not fouling though

that certainly wasn't good but that is a guy in the running for all-nba defense...the whole team looked confused on how to handle that situation.

[Besart19]

trading for mikal might be the worst trade in knicks history

he is a trade chip... either this offseason or after he signs and extension which will allow us to have even bigger salary to match

Bridges after he signs new deal, Mitch and fillers for Jaylen Brown... another option... trade him and either Hart or Mitch for Randle & DDV

Towns / Hukporti / vet min
Anunoby / Achiuwa / Dadiet
Brown / Josh Hart / vet min
Grimes / McBride / McCullar
Brunson / Payne / Kolek

[3toheadmelo]

The Celtics are +117 from three vs us, they've made 84, and we've made 45. The Thunder and Cavs are also in the top 10 for threes attempted per game, the Cavs get threes with a non-shooting big on the floor, so do the Thunder when IHart is out there.


We're not even taking high volume threes when Hart is off the floor, so it's not that, it's that we just don't hunt the shot. Watching KP set screens for dudes at halfcourt, then seeing us clear out and iso, it's a difference in how we operate independent of there being a bad shooter. They were still getting threes up when Kornet/KP were out there because they value that shot above everything else.

Meh

Hart should be replaced, but he's just an excuse, because the Spurs get up more threes when Sochan is on the court than we do. They're taking more threes than us even without Wemby, they were 5th with him, and from the date he went out they have been 11th. That's with Sochan, Castle and Fox, 3 not so great three point shooters. That's all ideology.

There's no excuse for us not taking more threes, none.

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[Besart19]

If Brunson was a better playmaker and more savy running the team, we wouldnt have any need to keep Hart at all even off the bench

Bridges is tradable, what we need to add is a wing who can run plays and run the floor well

Then you can insert either McBride or Robinson to the starting lineup... or even Hukporti

[Besart19]

Numbers are out and it pretty much confirms the eye test.

OG held Tatum to 37% FG.

Mikal held Tatum to 83% FG

isnt this also on Thibs?

what about playing 47 mins one of the worst shooters and space killers of all the time?!

Defending Thibs makes all your arguments irrelevant

[Besart19]

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if they let them drive there would had not been left more time left or below 1 seconds which is an instant Win just from the time an inbound pass will take until you can make a contact for either a steal or a foul

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Meh

Hart should be replaced, but he's just an excuse, because the Spurs get up more threes when Sochan is on the court than we do. They're taking more threes than us even without Wemby, they were 5th with him, and from the date he went out they have been 11th. That's with Sochan, Castle and Fox, 3 not so great three point shooters. That's all ideology.

There's no excuse for us not taking more threes, none.

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[whocares1]

Youre not wrong - og fcked up

But it's the job of the coach to not to put your players in bad situations.

While I agree we should’ve fouled, OG did really good on Tatum overall. Tatum just had better offense on great defense on that shot. I’ve never seen Tatum do a harden esque step back like that. Must’ve caught OG by surprise lol

Because he traveled but all these dudes travel and carry nowadays

Wasn’t even that. Why didn’t he just…force Tatum off the line. A step back to dislodge OG is just bad defense. Cant fall for a step back three if you realize he has no reason to be inside the line. He said he should be DPOY and then makes a pretty boneheaded mistake.

[dakomish23]

Our guys don't communicate on defense, not until the damage is already done, and they don't know when to switch. It's almost like we've spent an entire season not switching on defense.












This is all coaching, the players running into each other, not knowing what to do in the 79th game of the season and the 4th one against this team is comical. The first one in particular Mitch should have been on Brown, when you have KAT and Mitch on the floor together, you don't put your rim protector on the 40% shooter when there's a 33% shooter with a gimpy knee on the floor. Nobody knows what to do, they look shocked that the Celtics actually pass up driving to kick out to the skyscraper that hits threes.


It's been two years of exactly the same thing, over and over, they demolished us from three last year the same way they have done this season. KP joining that team has broken Thibs defense.

Thibs got real lucky he had Deng and Noah to do this insane run to the paint run back in time to cover the guy scheme.

[Ravenxvirall]

We continue to run hart in the starting line up for his rebounding lmao that’s so cute. I wonder how many teams laugh at us because of hart and his limitations. There is a reason he got passed around the league before we traded for him. But hey Atleast he played defense that first couple months we had him 2 years ago. This roster is **** and Thibs won’t even stagger these guys properly to make the most out of this flawed roster.

[sol537]

Hart is a great 22 minute per game 6th or 7th man. Once you put him in against starters and for most of the game... he gets more and more exposed. Thibs is nuts.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

Our guys don't communicate on defense, not until the damage is already done, and they don't know when to switch. It's almost like we've spent an entire season not switching on defense.












This is all coaching, the players running into each other, not knowing what to do in the 79th game of the season and the 4th one against this team is comical. The first one in particular Mitch should have been on Brown, when you have KAT and Mitch on the floor together, you don't put your rim protector on the 40% shooter when there's a 33% shooter with a gimpy knee on the floor. Nobody knows what to do, they look shocked that the Celtics actually pass up driving to kick out to the skyscraper that hits threes.


It's been two years of exactly the same thing, over and over, they demolished us from three last year the same way they have done this season. KP joining that team has broken Thibs defense.

This is a great post. What is Thibs doing with Mitch being continually out on an island with KP? This is nuts.

[Adelheid]

josh hart hurts the spacing in the starting lineup tremendously, that the opposing team puts their slowest defender on him or just leave him alone so they could double someone else on the knicks and that is a fact. How can no one in the coaching staff or front office not see this?

[MrDollarBills]

First game against a contender we are at complete full health and went into overtime and we still cant take any positives out of it

I actually took a lot of positives out of it (from a player perspective). I just hate not fouling at the end of the game.

The team did really well last night. I think the way we lost was what left a bitter after taste.

[seren]

Agreed about Hart. If he is going to be guarded by the centers, you might as well put a center in the starting lineup. Mitchell or Precious will get you more than what Hart can give you at this point. Precious actually looked okay from corner threes during the season. Mitchell will get you better offensive rebounding. Either will be much better on the defensive end.