BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani

[ctorres]

One of the draft sites said that Barg measured, I guess at a combine, 7' and 1-1/4" in shoes... so he's over 7-1 in shoes?

I believe that. Woodson has to be licking his chops knowing how exactly to utilize him.

And yet he rebounds worse than a 5'11, stubby Chris Paul. Now that's impressive.

Bargnani's rebounding rate per 36 minutes has been higher than Chris Paul in every single NBA season they've been a part of.

If you're going to quote one of my posts and then make a comment, get your facts straight before doing so. Otherwise, don't bother making a snide remark. You want to say Bargnani's rebounding sucks, that's fine. Do it another way, not by using Chris Paul in a lazy attempt to try to get your point across.

I know Bargnani doesn't rebound well, and honestly, I don't give a crap. He will likely be playing next to Tyson most of the time who hogs most the defensive rebounds from his teammates. Same reason why I wouldn't give a crap if I was a Nets fan and Brook Lopez was only averaging 7 rebounds a game while playing alongside Kris Humphries and Reggie Evans who averaged double digit rebounds alongside him. Or Marc Gasol who regardless of being 7'1 doesn't get a lot of rebounds because he plays next to Zbo.

Bargnani is flawed, I know that. A wise person told me the other day, it should not be always about bettering your flaws. In some cases, it is best to place the focus on betting your strengths. That applies to plenty of NBA players who have had a long successful career and would likely apply to Bargnani if he was approached the right way.

Bah, whatever, I waste too much time on these responses. I got a bus to catch.

[Mangiacake]

One of the draft sites said that Barg measured, I guess at a combine, 7' and 1-1/4" in shoes... so he's over 7-1 in shoes?

I believe that. Woodson has to be licking his chops knowing how exactly to utilize him.

And yet he rebounds worse than a 5'11, stubby Chris Paul. Now that's impressive.

You are making the same mistake that everybody makes...fixating on his rebound numbers.He let's people on his own team get the rebounds Reggie,Hunphries,Bosh,any new teamate who needs them.He doesn't care about stats...he could have easily add 3 rbs per game if he wanted to,same goes for double doubles.

It's his attitude towards rebounding that sucks,but he won't let the other team get them either.

If he had better rebounding numbers NY wouldn't of got him so cheap.There is already discussions on this board as to the many ways you can use him

[ctorres]

You are making the same mistake that everybody makes...fixating on his rebound numbers.He let's people on his own team get the rebounds Reggie,Hunphries,Bosh,any new teamate who needs them.He doesn't care about stats...he could have easily add 3 rbs per game if he wanted to,same goes for double doubles.

It's his attitude towards rebounding that sucks,but he won't let the other team get them either.

Thank you. I noticed you just started posting here a few days ago. This forum needs more guys like you. Stick around.

[Mangiacake]

You are welcome,i am not happy the way Bargs was treated in Toronto.My son is a Knick fan and I watched them in the playoffs last year with him.So am hoping for good things for NY and Bargs

[Yeezus_]

I believe that. Woodson has to be licking his chops knowing how exactly to utilize him.

And yet he rebounds worse than a 5'11, stubby Chris Paul. Now that's impressive.

You are making the same mistake that everybody makes...fixating on his rebound numbers.He let's people on his own team get the rebounds Reggie,Hunphries,Bosh,any new teamate who needs them.He doesn't care about stats...he could have easily add 3 rbs per game if he wanted to,same goes for double doubles.

It's his attitude towards rebounding that sucks,but he won't let the other team get them either.

If he had better rebounding numbers NY wouldn't of got him so cheap.There is already discussions on this board as to the many ways you can use him

I have a very neutral opinion on Bargnani. But I completely disagree with the "he lets people on his own team get the rebounds" argument. He is rarely in proper position to grab boards, and is soft around the paint. Add that with his lack of effort and thats why his rebounding numbers are extremely low. There will be games were he grabs 1 board and gives you 20 points, that is not acceptable imo.

Nevertheless, I hope he does well in NY and I hope hes motivated to perform well.

[Capn'O]

I believe that. Woodson has to be licking his chops knowing how exactly to utilize him.

And yet he rebounds worse than a 5'11, stubby Chris Paul. Now that's impressive.

You are making the same mistake that everybody makes...fixating on his rebound numbers.He let's people on his own team get the rebounds Reggie,Hunphries,Bosh,any new teamate who needs them.He doesn't care about stats...he could have easily add 3 rbs per game if he wanted to,same goes for double doubles.

It's his attitude towards rebounding that sucks,but he won't let the other team get them either.

If he had better rebounding numbers NY wouldn't of got him so cheap.There is already discussions on this board as to the many ways you can use him

I'm not sure I buy it in that his team's rebounding differential was always bad. When you see that, you look at the weak link up front. In any event, he's no worse than Novak or Cope and he's taking on their role. I'd like to see him focus there though.

[ctorres]

There will be games were he grabs 1 board and gives you 20 points, that is not acceptable imo.

Depends on how the offense is running.

Obviously if he was averaging 30+ mpg, I'd like for him to attempt to average above 6 rpg. Still, he's likely to be on the perimeter on the offensive end. Even on the defense end, you may have Tyson waiting on the defensive board while Bargnani outruns his defender on the outlet pass.

I just don't see the sense in placing the focus on Bargnani rebounding the ball. It seems like the main reason is that he's a 7'1 basketball player and we're too insecure about the stigma attached to that.

[Mangiacake]

And yet he rebounds worse than a 5'11, stubby Chris Paul. Now that's impressive.

You are making the same mistake that everybody makes...fixating on his rebound numbers.He let's people on his own team get the rebounds Reggie,Hunphries,Bosh,any new teamate who needs them.He doesn't care about stats...he could have easily add 3 rbs per game if he wanted to,same goes for double doubles.

It's his attitude towards rebounding that sucks,but he won't let the other team get them either.

If he had better rebounding numbers NY wouldn't of got him so cheap.There is already discussions on this board as to the many ways you can use him

I'm not sure I buy it in that his team's rebounding differential was always bad. When you see that, you look at the weak link up front. In any event, he's no worse than Novak or Cope and he's taking on their role. I'd like to see him focus there though.

Bargs is a team player he'll do what he is told,but he is very versatile so you can use him in different ways,if need be.He is not like Novak,he is practically unguardable and he can score in many different ways.His man to man D is very useful

[Capn'O]

You are making the same mistake that everybody makes...fixating on his rebound numbers.He let's people on his own team get the rebounds Reggie,Hunphries,Bosh,any new teamate who needs them.He doesn't care about stats...he could have easily add 3 rbs per game if he wanted to,same goes for double doubles.

It's his attitude towards rebounding that sucks,but he won't let the other team get them either.

If he had better rebounding numbers NY wouldn't of got him so cheap.There is already discussions on this board as to the many ways you can use him

I'm not sure I buy it in that his team's rebounding differential was always bad. When you see that, you look at the weak link up front. In any event, he's no worse than Novak or Cope and he's taking on their role. I'd like to see him focus there though.

Bargs is a team player he'll do what he is told,but he is very versatile so you can use him in different ways,if need be.He is not like Novak,he is practically unguardable and he can score in many different ways.His man to man D is very useful

Sure. But that has nothing to do with rebounding, which is where I'm making the comparison to Novak and Cope.

Bargs has never been a key component of a good team rebounding unit but neither were the guys he is replacing in the lineup.

[Mangiacake]

I'm not sure I buy it in that his team's rebounding differential was always bad. When you see that, you look at the weak link up front. In any event, he's no worse than Novak or Cope and he's taking on their role. I'd like to see him focus there though.

Bargs is a team player he'll do what he is told,but he is very versatile so you can use him in different ways,if need be.He is not like Novak,he is practically unguardable and he can score in many different ways.His man to man D is very useful

Sure. But that has nothing to do with rebounding, which is where I'm making the comparison to Novak and Cope.

Bargs has never been a key component of a good team rebounding unit but neither were the guys he is replacing in the lineup.

Yes i see your point now.I am saying that he can be more useful than those two when need be

[elmer_yuck]

Bargnani has always had weird, crazed fans on the Raptors board who praised and supported him no matter how badly he played. I see that a couple of these groupies have already appeared on this board. They're probably the same ones we had on the Raptors board (AB_ALLSTAR, fabste, etc.), using different names.
Get used to them.
They will come up with some amazingly creative reasons for why he doesn't play well.
The truth is (as you will soon see for yourself) that he's just not a very good player.

[BOOMbip]

Nobody can be worse than the Lin fanboys so this forum is well prepared for any fanboys that follow Mr Magoo here....

[Jambo]

Bargnani has always had weird, crazed fans on the Raptors board who praised and supported him no matter how badly he played. I see that a couple of these groupies have already appeared on this board. They're probably the same ones we had on the Raptors board (AB_ALLSTAR, fabste, etc.), using different names.
Get used to them.
They will come up with some amazingly creative reasons for why he doesn't play well.
The truth is (as you will soon see for yourself) that he's just not a very good player.

Very few players are flawless , Bargs has strengths and weaknesses . He's a poor rebounder and a weak help defender but if he wasn't combined with his strengths he'd be a perennial all star/max money player and he wouldn't have been traded , never mind for the crumbs that were given up for him .

Bargs has an elite offensive skill set for his size and he's a very good on ball defender . If you have a use for what he brings and put him in the right situation then he'll be an impact player for you . On the other hand if all you want him to do is stand at the 3 pt line to take the odd shot and cover defensively then he'll be useless .

The Raps have plenty of issues , not the least of which is a starting back court that couldn't stay in front of anyone and no legit defensive C that could anchor the D . A lot of fans wanted Bargs to be some all nba defender and paint protector and that was never his game . On top of this was an offense where any scrub could jack up the ball and a coach who had no idea how to install any type of structure into the offense .

The funny part about the Raps fans knocking Bargs D was that he was our best on ball defender and no other starter before Gay arrived was even avg on D .

[Mangiacake]

Bargnani has always had weird, crazed fans on the Raptors board who praised and supported him no matter how badly he played. I see that a couple of these groupies have already appeared on this board. They're probably the same ones we had on the Raptors board (AB_ALLSTAR, fabste, etc.), using different names.
Get used to them.
They will come up with some amazingly creative reasons for why he doesn't play well.
The truth is (as you will soon see for yourself) that he's just not a very good player.

Hey elmer how goes it in Hatersville Canada.Talk about weird... following Bargniani's coat tails to another board to spew your hate.Have you even posted anything on the Raptors board since Bargs left???...i thought so.

Thanks for the compliment those of us who like Bargs are very creative,much like Bargs himself is.On the other hand haters such as yourself post the same old blind negativity,refusing to see any value.

Don't worry you will soon have more players to hate.Rudy is going to burn out before the allstar game,then you have DemarDnofense,and you can always rely on Hansborough a real diamond in the rough.Enjoy the NBA's and your parents basement.

[Berserk_Raptor]

Elmer_yuck is another hater who just cant get over it

[Mangiacake]

Elmer_yuck is another hater who just cant get over it

Yes this particular one is so negative it's disturbing

[Berserk_Raptor]

Elmer_yuck is another hater who just cant get over it

Yes this particular one is so negative it's disturbing

ive been following bargs and will watch some knicks games now as well, of course raps are my first team, tho... leave me ur twitter, mine is in mi sig

[Capn'O]

Nobody can be worse than the Lin fanboys so this forum is well prepared for any fanboys that follow Mr Magoo here....

Wasn't Mr. Magoo Larry Brown?
These guys are rough so far...

[Dkillanyk4lyf]

He was on the stephen a smith show today

[Spicy P]

Bargnani has always had weird, crazed fans on the Raptors board who praised and supported him no matter how badly he played. I see that a couple of these groupies have already appeared on this board. They're probably the same ones we had on the Raptors board (AB_ALLSTAR, fabste, etc.), using different names.
Get used to them.
They will come up with some amazingly creative reasons for why he doesn't play well.
The truth is (as you will soon see for yourself) that he's just not a very good player.

One of the other positives from the trade. All the Bargnani fanboys are gone from our board. I have no idea how you can continue to defend the guy after those last 2 seasons.