BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani

[KobeDwightPau]

Bargnani is going to be stroking 3s, driving, hitting the mid range J, posting up people, and destroying david west in the post.

[KobeDwightPau]

He's trolling. Just another Knick-hater who is scared Bargs will have a good run in NY.

He's a Knicks fan who made a simple observation based on what he's seen on this board, and you called his post "stupid."

Either way, I'm done defending him.

I actually want bargs to suceed, if truth be told, ive always liked him, but was disappointed that he never played up to his potential.

[KobeDwightPau]

Bargnani is a gift from the gods.

[Anotha Knicks fan]

"Fanboys" ... the term used by insecure posters who can't accept that they're fans.

I wish you were "KnowledgeBoy" or "MakesGoodPointsBoy" ....

Shots FIred!

Edited. I hadn't had my Sunday coffee.

But the point still stands -- he is constantly negative and adds little to this forum with his baseless trolling. It does not make the site better and we will tighten the leash on posters who think it's "good posting" to just spew their crap all the time and can't back it up, or be respectful of other posters.

He hates Bargs, fine. Has he given any basketball reasons why in a detailed and mature manner? Not really. And I suspect it's because he can't.

All he has is "he can't rebound, he had a bad year." We all know that. No reason to keep saying that and he never progresses past that original point. Move on. It's all negative and ruins the experience of a smart basketball forum, so we won't tolerate it.

Evidence: "Fanboys" is a pretty silly term that is intended to be negative and inflammatory. What does it mean anyway? We're all fans lol.

Besides, we have several females on the boards... if they liked Bargz, would they be called fangirls? I think as a member of this progressive basketball forum, we should pass a law and hereby moreover and forever more banish the term "fanboy" with the more PR term "fanperson", just as "stewardess" was changed to "flight attendant", and "master bedroom" is now changed to "main room", or "where the magic happens room".

Hear ye! Hear ye!

[KikupKnik]

Yeah because one bad game definitely means he's going to be terrible.

What a stupid post.

How is that a stupid post?

There are "fans" in here that turn on players during a game.

It's absolutely stupid in fact. He's saying that the verdict on Bargnani will be decided after one bad game. LeBron has bad games. It means nothing.

Who cares about who turns on whom. It means nothing. There are smart fans and dumb fans. Doesn't mean crap if a dumb fan decides everything about a player after one game. And yes, that is dumb.

Wow what a way to overreact.I saw how this board turned into civil war when linsanity happened,so imagine what's going to happen this year.I'm just trying to promote KNICKS FANS not bargnani hating/fandom.Lightin up fellas

And to accuse me of trolling is pretty wack too given the fact that they're so called "Knicks fans" on this board who pick out certain players to ride with instead of the team.It wasnt about Amare,It wasn't about Melo,it wasn't about Lin,and it ain't gone b about bargs.Don't get mad @ me for checking the bandwagoners @ the door.

I'all edit this post one more time.I'm not negative against my team.Ever since the whole Jeremy Lin situation I saw us Knicks fans picking sides and fantasizing about unrealistic rosters living in hindsight, I've grown impatient and felt my opinion needed to be stressed.This thread being 300 pages tearing bargnani apart before the man even steps on the court just proves we haven't learned anything since the Lin situation.I don't hate HIM, I hate how knick fans act on this board,and I was just stating how I wouldn't be surprised if bargs game is picked apart & us Knicks fans jump into war mode and start arguing instead of rooting for the TEAM

[nyk4L7_21]

Do some people here hate Bargs to the point where they'd rather have Plantar Facitis Camby who could never stay on the court and STEVE FKN NOVAK instead

Now that he's no longer a Knick, I have no problem saying that Novak's an absolute scrub. He can't rebound, can't defend his own shadow, can only shoot when there's no one within 20 feet of him, can't dribble a basketball, has no coordination, CAN'T DUNK DESPITE BEING SIX FOOT TEN INCHES TALL and in two years has yet to show anything that resembles him being remotely athletic in any Webster's dictionary definition of the word.

The fact that we were able to trade him for a former 20 ppg scorer with the ability to drive to the hole, shoot the jumper, draw contact, and at times play a silky smooth brand of offensive basketball might just be a blessing in disguise. Sure his rebounding sucks but IMO we should be rejoycing the fact that we no longer have to see Novak check in, immediatley brick 3 straight 3's and the other team goes on a 7-0 run the second he checks into the game due to his defensive inability.

[ctorres]

358 pages for this guy. Not a good start. Best way to deal with him is to have very low expectations.

Low expectations:

23.5 mpg, 8.8 ppg (40.6% FG's, 32.3% 3-PT FG's), 4.4 rpg

Unless he has a horrible Eurobasket this summer or goes through some really nagging injuries to start the season, I would be very surprised if his numbers were that low.

[Bankai]

On the bright side, he is very likely to drop 40 points in each of the 4 games against the Raptors

[KobeDwightPau]

You guys will love Bargnani. Im not a knick fan but will watch the games now just to watch bargnani. I want to see him dominate in his role player position. I want to see the awe when people are focused on melo and felton and jr, when bargnani pump fakes a 3, and drive to the hoop, or dishes it out of an open made. Bargnani is clutch, bargnani is a King among peasants. He bangs 10/10's drives a lamborghini, has model-like looks. He gels his hair every game, he wants to dominate in style.

I know i sound borderline troll, but i absolutely love bargnani.

[mugzi]

He bangs 10/10's drives a lamborghini, has model-like looks. He gels his hair every game, he wants to dominate in style.

I know i sound borderline troll, but i absolutely love bargnani.

[Mr_Perfect]

Someone ban this dude. We can sarcastically insult our own players. We don't corny Raptor trolls in here.

[KobeDwightPau]

Someone ban this dude. We can sarcastically insult our own players. We don't corny Raptor trolls in here.

Im 100 percent dead serious bro. Im not being saracastic at all. Bargnani was my favorite player on the raptors. Im watching as much knicks as possible now.

if you guys are looking to win right now, bargnani for novak and camby? Thats a steal for a win now situation.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Do some people here hate Bargs to the point where they'd rather have Plantar Facitis Camby who could never stay on the court and STEVE FKN NOVAK instead

Now that he's no longer a Knick, I have no problem saying that Novak's an absolute scrub. He can't rebound, can't defend his own shadow, can only shoot when there's no one within 20 feet of him, can't dribble a basketball, has no coordination, CAN'T DUNK DESPITE BEING SIX FOOT TEN INCHES TALL and in two years has yet to show anything that resembles him being remotely athletic in any Webster's dictionary definition of the word.

The fact that we were able to trade him for a former 20 ppg scorer with the ability to drive to the hole, shoot the jumper, draw contact, and at times play a silky smooth brand of offensive basketball might just be a blessing in disguise. Sure his rebounding sucks but IMO we should be rejoycing the fact that we no longer have to see Novak check in, immediatley brick 3 straight 3's and the other team goes on a 7-0 run the second he checks into the game due to his defensive inability.

Its amazing how a guy who bricks threes doesn't play any defence, and causes 7-0 runs when he enters the game, was a plus 248 last year. That means the team was avg with him, but won 2.5 games by a score of 100-0 during his time on the court. (Note the knicks are a pretty good team, so it shouldn't be too surprising anyways). Of course he is truly awful and that's a mere coincidence, his high expectation shooting and ability to provide court spacing had nothing to do with it.

If anything, though, it should be somewhat amazing that him entering the game, despite being a supposedly terrible player, somehow caused so many 7-0 runs for the knicks.

[nyk4L7_21]

Do some people here hate Bargs to the point where they'd rather have Plantar Facitis Camby who could never stay on the court and STEVE FKN NOVAK instead

Now that he's no longer a Knick, I have no problem saying that Novak's an absolute scrub. He can't rebound, can't defend his own shadow, can only shoot when there's no one within 20 feet of him, can't dribble a basketball, has no coordination, CAN'T DUNK DESPITE BEING SIX FOOT TEN INCHES TALL and in two years has yet to show anything that resembles him being remotely athletic in any Webster's dictionary definition of the word.

The fact that we were able to trade him for a former 20 ppg scorer with the ability to drive to the hole, shoot the jumper, draw contact, and at times play a silky smooth brand of offensive basketball might just be a blessing in disguise. Sure his rebounding sucks but IMO we should be rejoycing the fact that we no longer have to see Novak check in, immediatley brick 3 straight 3's and the other team goes on a 7-0 run the second he checks into the game due to his defensive inability.

Its amazing how a guy who bricks threes doesn't play any defence, and causes 7-0 runs when he enters the game, was a plus 248 last year. That means the team was avg with him, but won 2.5 games by a score of 100-0 during his time on the court. (Note the knicks are a pretty good team, so it shouldn't be too surprising anyways). Of course he is truly awful and that's a mere coincidence, his high expectation shooting and ability to provide court spacing had nothing to do with it.

If anything, though, it should be somewhat amazing that him entering the game, despite being a supposedly terrible player, somehow caused so many 7-0 runs for the knicks.

His ability to space the floor last year started out as the only positive thing he could do, and eventually became the most overrated aspect of his game. He doesn't cut to the basket, nor does he move very quickly, nor does Woody have him run off of screens to get himself open. He might as well bring a tent, some propane and smores the way he camps out near the 3 point line and just stands there waiting to get the ball and shoot the inevitable three pointer. His man doesn't even need to expend energy playing defense because they know he's not gonna put it on the floor and an especially agile defender can even cheat off of Novak to play help D and then rotate back if they see the ball being swung towards him.

Furthermore, the only contribution he makes on D is when the guy being guarded by him sees that they've got basically a green light to score, decides to start chucking away, and misses some bad shots. The +/- statistic you mentioned above could also be due to the fact that last year he had a penchant for making lots of shots in garbage time when the score wasn't anywhere close.

[boogie-reke]

I've been trying to find out but couldn't so maybe I missed it and you guys know :

What exactly is the protection on that '16 pick you sent to Toronto?

[H20FAN]

Do some people here hate Bargs to the point where they'd rather have Plantar Facitis Camby who could never stay on the court and STEVE FKN NOVAK instead

Now that he's no longer a Knick, I have no problem saying that Novak's an absolute scrub. He can't rebound, can't defend his own shadow, can only shoot when there's no one within 20 feet of him, can't dribble a basketball, has no coordination, CAN'T DUNK DESPITE BEING SIX FOOT TEN INCHES TALL and in two years has yet to show anything that resembles him being remotely athletic in any Webster's dictionary definition of the word.

The fact that we were able to trade him for a former 20 ppg scorer with the ability to drive to the hole, shoot the jumper, draw contact, and at times play a silky smooth brand of offensive basketball might just be a blessing in disguise. Sure his rebounding sucks but IMO we should be rejoycing the fact that we no longer have to see Novak check in, immediatley brick 3 straight 3's and the other team goes on a 7-0 run the second he checks into the game due to his defensive inability.

Its amazing how a guy who bricks threes doesn't play any defence, and causes 7-0 runs when he enters the game, was a plus 248 last year. That means the team was avg with him, but won 2.5 games by a score of 100-0 during his time on the court. (Note the knicks are a pretty good team, so it shouldn't be too surprising anyways). Of course he is truly awful and that's a mere coincidence, his high expectation shooting and ability to provide court spacing had nothing to do with it.

If anything, though, it should be somewhat amazing that him entering the game, despite being a supposedly terrible player, somehow caused so many 7-0 runs for the knicks.

His ability to space the floor last year started out as the only positive thing he could do, and eventually became the most overrated aspect of his game. He doesn't cut to the basket, nor does he move very quickly, nor does Woody have him run off of screens to get himself open. He might as well bring a tent, some propane and smores the way he camps out near the 3 point line and just stands there waiting to get the ball and shoot the inevitable three pointer. His man doesn't even need to expend energy playing defense because they know he's not gonna put it on the floor and an especially agile defender can even cheat off of Novak to play help D and then rotate back if they see the ball being swung towards him.

Furthermore, the only contribution he makes on D is when the guy being guarded by him sees that they've got basically a green light to score, decides to start chucking away, and misses some bad shots. The +/- statistic you mentioned above could also be due to the fact that last year he had a penchant for making lots of shots in garbage time when the score wasn't anywhere close.

If bargnani can play the Novak role but actually drive when the defense closes out then that's all we really need. Teams like the bulls close out three point shooters but if bargnani and drive on those and create a shot for himself or someone else. That's makes all the difference for us.

Against the pacers, he will be used to pull out Hibbert. After maybe 2 made threes, Hibbert will step out leaving only west to guard the basket. Melo can abuse west in the paint. Forget stats if bargnani can just do these two things for us then this trade was def worth it.

[Mangiacake]

Piece of cake

He's done this over and over again,here is the proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abn3UJ59Y24

Incredible pass to Bosh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZNrLLIOyLs

[northernpuppy]

Piece of cake

He's done this over and over again,here is the proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abn3UJ59Y24

Incredible pass to Bosh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZNrLLIOyLs

And then he walked back on defence and became a pilon.

No one is discrediting his offensive abilities (at least I don't think so, 350+ pages is a lot lol), it's his defensive liabilities and lack of clutchness which is why the majority of Raps fans hate him so.

[Rock Bottom]

Inb4 Grunwald Off Season Appreciation Thread

[moocow007]

I've been trying to find out but couldn't so maybe I missed it and you guys know :

What exactly is the protection on that '16 pick you sent to Toronto?

The protection is that Toronto gets the WORST of the 1st round pick between the Knicks and the Nuggets. The Knicks had already agreed to a swap option with the Nuggets as part of the Carmelo trade. The Nuggets hold the option. So in order for the Raptors to get a good pick they will need BOTH the Knicks AND the Nuggets to do poorly. The Nuggets aren't likely to suddenly stink and the Knicks will have huge capspace right before the 2015-2016 season to chase two max players the season right before the 2016 draft.