[Camelo Thread Part 16] - Denver wants what?! p58

[vallen]

so now the NBA is going to cripple teams ability to hire players, while wanting to reduce salary...

[TheBluest]

Knicks coach: Stop chanting for Melo

Sorry I didn't see this posted until now. I should know to come to this thread first before posting anything Melo related.

He doesnt play AR so it's not affecting him. Moz was beasting in the beginning and sat the bench about when they started. Douglas name is hardly mentioned in trade rumors and he was hurt when the chants got going.... so it's not affecting him. Bookie is injured can't be him. Rautins see AR. Curry let me think about it.

I think Chandler got into a groove sorta after the chants started and defended Blake well late......but maybe the rumors more so are affecting him...now on to Fields..who started out okay and then faded and Gallo was off shooting wise but his drive free throw game was on throughout. When was the first time(game) the crowd belted out Chants this year?

[RHODEY]

how the hell are going to afford CP3, with absolutely no tradeable assets if it comes down to a S&T? Or ANY other big time FA to form a Big Three? Most of our cap will be tied into Carmar'e, and our bench will be total shyt on top of that. Now you see why Donnie is taking such a hardline stance. Idiots think two stars and a bag of scrap metal will get us to the Finals. We need MORE...much more.

Yes you are absolutely correct.

[god shammgod]

so now the NBA is going to cripple teams ability to hire players, while wanting to reduce salary...

i don't get how getting rid of the mle will work exactly. what happens to the al harringtons of this world. teams under the cap aren't likely to blow money on him and teams over the cap can only give him the vet min. he's f*cked.

[F N 11]

No that wasn't me I just took his analogy lol

[Context]

In 14 days if Denver KEEPS Melo they will write a check for their salaries and 13.2 million dollars in luxury tax for about 97 million.

IF they trade Melo with Minny involved and Brewer or another 4 million dollar player comes back. The check will be (including no Luxury-Tax and their portion of the Luxury tax pool (for arguments sake(***4 million): 77 million

SUMMARY:
No Luxury tax, difference in Salaries + ***4 million from the Luxury tax pool= 24 million in savings...

Denver's gate receipts for last year were 34 million. With 10 home games left after the deadline. Do you really think if Denver even makes it to the 2nd round and gets knocked out after playing 4 home games in their building that they will come close to making making 24 million- even if you include net revenue from the 10 home games????

AGAIN, the value in the pre-deadline savings ALONE justifies KROENKE green lighting this deal. Melo doesn't want to be there and there is NO guarantee that he will sign the extension.

If I'm Kroenke, I take the 24 million, the picks, and young players that I can give a shot to or trade for more assets. There is absolutely NO REASON to include anything else in this deal...

One last note, If they do not intend on keeping Nene, Martin, Billups, and JR Smith or any one of those players. That even makes this deal that much more crucial to execute. You will get more value for any/all of these players pre-deadline...

Thoughts??


***(2010)The non-tax teams don't split that entire pot, however. Each team gets 1/30th of the kitty, so those 19 franchises under the threshold can expect to receive roughly $3.98 million each.

[atribecalledrch]

With the news of a possible AR for Pryzbilla swap, I'm starting to realize we might as well give up Gallo and Chandler for Melo. I mean it's Melo we're talking about. He's a top 10 player and he's 26. Fields and Purp could easily replace them with some great coaches developing them.

[god shammgod]

In 14 days if Denver KEEPS Melo they will write a check for their salaries and 13.2 million dollars in luxury tax for about 97 million.

IF they trade Melo with Minny involved and Brewer or another 4 million dollar player comes back. The check will be (including no Luxury-Tax and their portion of the Luxury tax pool (for arguments sake(***4 million): 77 million

SUMMARY:
No Luxury tax, difference in Salaries + ***4 million from the Luxury tax pool= 24 million in savings...

Denver's gate receipts for last year were 34 million. With 10 home games left after the deadline. Do you really think if Denver even makes it to the 2nd round and gets knocked out after playing 4 home games in their building that they will come close to making making 24 million- even if you include net revenue from the 10 home games????

AGAIN, the value in the pre-deadline savings ALONE justifies KROENKE green lighting this deal. Melo doesn't want to be there and there is NO guarantee that he will sign the extension.

If I'm Kroenke, I take the 24 million, the picks, and young players that I can give a shot to or trade for more assets. There is absolutely NO REASON to include anything else in this deal...

One last note, If they do not intend on keeping Nene, Martin, Billups, and JR Smith or any one of those players. That even makes this deal that much more crucial to execute. You will get more value for any/all of these players pre-deadline...

Thoughts??


***(2010)The non-tax teams don't split that entire pot, however. Each team gets 1/30th of the kitty, so those 19 franchises under the threshold can expect to receive roughly $3.98 million each.

yeah. i think the owner will want this but it's the basketball guys job to try to get walsh to give up more. they to do intend trade more people if the melo deal goes through too. which means this may not be last minute.

[knicks742]

In 14 days if Denver KEEPS Melo they will write a check for their salaries and 13.2 million dollars in luxury tax for about 97 million.

IF they trade Melo with Minny involved and Brewer or another 4 million dollar player comes back. The check will be (including no Luxury-Tax and their portion of the Luxury tax pool (for arguments sake(***4 million): 77 million

SUMMARY:
No Luxury tax, difference in Salaries + ***4 million from the Luxury tax pool= 24 million in savings...

Denver's gate receipts for last year were 34 million. With 10 home games left after the deadline. Do you really think if Denver even makes it to the 2nd round and gets knocked out after playing 4 home games in their building that they will come close to making making 24 million- even if you include net revenue from the 10 home games????

AGAIN, the value in the pre-deadline savings ALONE justifies KROENKE green lighting this deal. Melo doesn't want to be there and there is NO guarantee that he will sign the extension.

If I'm Kroenke, I take the 24 million, the picks, and young players that I can give a shot to or trade for more assets. There is absolutely NO REASON to include anything else in this deal...

One last note, If they do not intend on keeping Nene, Martin, Billups, and JR Smith or any one of those players. That even makes this deal that much more crucial to execute. You will get more value for any/all of these players pre-deadline...

Thoughts??


***(2010)The non-tax teams don't split that entire pot, however. Each team gets 1/30th of the kitty, so those 19 franchises under the threshold can expect to receive roughly $3.98 million each.

yeah. i think the owner will want this but it's the basketball guys job to try to get walsh to give up more. they to do intend trade more people if the melo deal goes through too. which means this may not be last minute.

I have a hunch there will be a lot of work done this weekend to see if we can get it done between the two teams.

[RHODEY]

^^ we're talking about 2 superstars....not 3....you're thinking like we'd be paying 3 max guys like the heat, with nothing left to spare..... Adding Melo to Amare isn't going to leave us like Miami searching for scraps and bums to surround them with.

Funny thing is Miami's scrubs and bums don't look so bad next to those 3. But I agree we beat Miami with depth and talent.

[alphad0gz]

Not sure about this "big three" deal. It's not the ideal model, nor is it a realistic one. The reason it works with Miami is because two of the players are very willing passers who are completely unselfish, other worldly defenders, and not to mention the best and third best players in the league. IMO, it's more realistic to try to exploit their weakness, which is the remaining starters and the bench. James, Wade and Bosh is better than Amare, Melo, and Paul.

That means we have to outplay their bench significantly. if we trade Gallo/Fields, Chandler, AR, and a pick to get Melo, how many of you think our bench will be better?

Again, it's just my opinion, but I think we DO need Melo, but we need to acquire him as a FA. Then we need to assemble a squad where the total is better than the sum of the individual parts. We need to keep as many of our guys as possible.

This post doesn't even address the potential DISASTER that having two guys on max contracts with a history of knee/leg problems. One of them goes down and we are looking at years of trying to recover.

[moocow007]

^^ we're talking about 2 superstars....not 3....you're thinking like we'd be paying 3 max guys like the heat, with nothing left to spare..... Adding Melo to Amare isn't going to leave us like Miami searching for scraps and bums to surround them with.

Funny thing is Miami's scrubs and bums don't look so bad next to those 3. But I agree we beat Miami with depth and talent.

D'Antoni refuses to play more than 8 guys (7 really) so I'm not sure what depth is really going to help. And talent? Aside from Stoudemire the talent we have is kind of iffy.

[moocow007]

PG- Felton/Douglas
SG- Fields/ Walker
SF- Melo/Williams
PF- Amar'e/ AR
C- Mozgov Turiaf


I wouldnt mind that..

this gets us to the 2nd Round for the next 3 years, until Amare's knees start to give out, and then we start over again, with no titles to show for it.

We need more.

That's why I've mentioned that it's not about trading 1 of 3, 2 of 3, 3 of 3, best of 5, 3 for 12, it's about having enough after the trade to field a real team. Now by no means am i saying that they shouldn't get Melo but if they get Melo they need to get more players back. JR Smith. Chris Anderson. etc. Guys that you normally wouldn't go tell everyone about but who, at the end of the day, provide depth on a team. So if we have to trade Randolph AND Gallinari AND Chandler AND Fields, it means those are the types of guys that have to come back. Why? To give us depth beyond Amare, Melo and Felton and what not. The reality is that after acquiring Melo the Knicks are going to be in win now mode and experienced guys like JR Smith and Chris Anderson and such have been parts of top Nugget teams and now how to win. So however that's done you having JR Smith now as the 6th guy. Having Birdman as the backup PF/C gives the Knicks the depth to be serious.

[F N 11]

Can Gallo score 26 points in a row?
Can Gallo drop 33 in QUARTER?
Can Gallo Take us to the playoffs 7 straight years? His entire career? (um wait)
Can Gallo average 29 ppg?
Can Gallo hit numerous game winners?

Melo is a winner...Enough of this get the trade done

[moocow007]

Can Gallo score 26 points in a row?
Can Gallo drop 33 in QUARTER?
Can Gallo Take us to the playoffs 7 straight years? His entire career? (um wait)
Can Gallo average 29 ppg?
Can Gallo hit numerous game winners?

Melo is a winner...Enough of this get the trade done

Getting Melo, no doubt. And at this point I'd give up more of the young guys but the Knicks need to get back guys that can play (that may not be parts of Denvers future, even with long term salaries like Birdman). Walsh needs to be careful and not become too cute. Don't look too forward to CP3 and end up with a team without enough depth in a Melo deal.

[Knicker23]

We'd really be screwed if a franchise tag did happen to be included in the CBA huh... Williams, Howard, Paul, Melo (if we didn't get him) would all be locked up, right?

[GONYK]

We'd really be screwed if a franchise tag did happen to be included in the CBA huh... Williams, Howard, Paul, Melo (if we didn't get him) would all be locked up, right?

The player's union would never let that happen

[F N 11]

Can Gallo score 26 points in a row?
Can Gallo drop 33 in QUARTER?
Can Gallo Take us to the playoffs 7 straight years? His entire career? (um wait)
Can Gallo average 29 ppg?
Can Gallo hit numerous game winners?

Melo is a winner...Enough of this get the trade done

Getting Melo, no doubt. And at this point I'd give up more of the young guys but the Knicks need to get back guys that can play (that may not be parts of Denvers future, even with long term salaries like Birdman). Walsh needs to be careful and not become too cute. Don't look too forward to CP3 and end up with a team without enough depth in a Melo deal.

Im willing to move Felton for Billups because of his ability to hit the transition and open three as well as his defense and Vet Savy (along with a ring). I wont mind taking on K Mart or Birdman...Even Jr Smith
off thw bench can be deadly. I just want this trade to go down.

[CHARLYMURPHY]

We'd really be screwed if a franchise tag did happen to be included in the CBA huh... Williams, Howard, Paul, Melo (if we didn't get him) would all be locked up, right?

Wouldnt a player option negate a tag? I have no idea

[Falstaffxx]

^^ we're talking about 2 superstars....not 3....you're thinking like we'd be paying 3 max guys like the heat, with nothing left to spare..... Adding Melo to Amare isn't going to leave us like Miami searching for scraps and bums to surround them with.

One thing that I keep thinking about is the fact that Miami has the best player in the game, and no matter how wisely we use our cap space and assets, we won't ever be able to match that straight up. No max contract player can give us as much as what Miami will be getting out of Lebron's portion of their cap space. That doesn't mean we shouldn't get Carmelo - we should - but we also need Donnie to out-GM them and get more out of the rest of our assets than Miami will. And pushing a hard bargain with Denver is part of that. If he can get Carmelo while retaining Gallo, Mozgov, and Fields, it could have huge implications for our future no matter ho much people try to downplay it. I think if Donnie ultimately has to include one of them to ensure that we get Carmelo, I think he will. But I certainly support him trying to get the best deal he can.