[Camelo Thread Part 17] - Denver makes trade offer p58

[BigUgly]

Mozgov has devloped nicely but to call him a dealbreaker for Carmello is beyond mind boggling . IT makes my head spin I like yelling Mosgov is a Russian accent as much as anybody but hearing Mike Walczewski yell Carmelo Anthony in the same tone he used for Greg Anthony will be music to my ears

[thebuzzardman]

Didn't realize every team had a mobile European 7 footer they signed as a FA.

[King of Troy]

Unless you are in the Melo over rated camp to call this a terrible deal is crazy. I am sure we would get a role player back maybe JR Smith at best i dont know . Your telling me we cant find another Mosgov out in Europe ? And maybe we can make other moves with our exprings like Buke if we get this deal done before the 24th. Felton-Fields- Melo- Stat is a nice core 4

Another Mosgov in Europe? If there was one, why aren't other teams signing him? You act as though a big mobile center is some commodity that is easily available. He has a rare skillset. If it was so easy, why isn't everyone doing it?

We'd be without any post players aside from Amare as Ronnie has been injured a lot. Then we're forced to play Amare at 5, Melo at 4. We can't run with Chandler or Gallo as a stretch 4 anymore. Plus 2 future picks?

We strip our roster for a guy we can get in a few months and throw away draft picks, which everyone here constantly bitches about losing.

It is a **** deal.

We end up with Ray, Landry, Shawne, Melo, Amare line up where they're all playing 35 minutes a game. TD and Bill Walker off the bench and not much else. Turiaf when he is healthy or not in foul trouble, which is not a whole lot as of late.

It is a really large gamble. People bitch about minutes now, but making this trade shatters any depth we have and is going to force the same guys who are playing too many minutes in the view of most you lot into playing even more. Then when that happens, you'll all bitch about it.

[Fury]

If we make that trade Amare and Melo will each play 42 minutes a night.

[Jay10]

If we make that trade Amare and Melo will each play 42 minutes a night.

what if one of them plays with the starters while the other plays with the second unit?

[Fury]

If we make that trade Amare and Melo will each play 42 minutes a night.

what if one of them plays with the starters while the other plays with the second unit?

Then we wouldn't maximize our team's potential. We need them both on the floor for the most part.

[Jay10]

If we make that trade Amare and Melo will each play 42 minutes a night.

what if one of them plays with the starters while the other plays with the second unit?

Then we wouldn't maximize our team's potential. We need them both on the floor for the most part.

the second unit could play like a bunch of scrubs at times

lol

[Fury]

We need to keep Gallo for the 2nd unit IMO.

[BigUgly]

We would build depth over time this year we would take a hit in depth. There is no way we are going to walk away from the table over Timovey Mosgov no way . If we did indeed put Gallo in a package that was the hurdle. Mosgov is no lock to be a solid pro maybe he will but he is no lock. I think if this deal goes down you will all be happy about it even with Timo gone

[AllanHoustonFan]

I was hoping the rumor mill would pick up today

[knicks742]

I think everyone should get their sleep this week because next week it is going to be intense. I expect two or three days of 3 hours sleep.

[Jordan45822]

I was hoping the rumor mill would pick up today

Your probably hear some **** on Thursday once everyone (except 4 teams) start their break.

[King of Troy]

We would build depth over time this year we would take a hit in depth. There is no way we are going to walk away from the table over Timovey Mosgov no way . If we did indeed put Gallo in a package that was the hurdle. Mosgov is no lock to be a solid pro maybe he will but he is no lock. I think if this deal goes down you will all be happy about it even with Timo gone

How are we going to build depth.

I explained why there was a problem with our depth. Please, if it will be fixed, explain how.

Just saying it will is totally worthless. Please explain your notion so we can have a discussion. Otherwise, why post at all?

I'm not trying to be a dick, it is just that it gets really irritating to come on here and try to understand another poster's view point when they just make blanket statement. I'm very interested in how you think we'd be able to add depth, because to me at least, serviceable bigs are a real commodity and this proposed trade strips us of a lot of size, which is something we are already sorely lacking.

[falcindor]

Well we should have deal breakers. With a Melo extention the Knicks amity to looking for another big free agent is about don't for the next few seasons. Denver will heap salary on the Knicks. We aren't giving assets and picks. Knicks should off Wilson, frields, Ec, AR or pick. If they don't like it tell them they spend the next 2 weeks looking for another sucker since 6'months hasn't been enough time.

Were giving 2 studs and pick. Beyond that is ridiculous. Look at KG trade, look at Shaq to Miami trade, look at Jason Kidd trades.

[GONYK]

Unless you are in the Melo over rated camp to call this a terrible deal is crazy. I am sure we would get a role player back maybe JR Smith at best i dont know . Your telling me we cant find another Mosgov out in Europe ? And maybe we can make other moves with our exprings like Buke if we get this deal done before the 24th. Felton-Fields- Melo- Stat is a nice core 4

How many Mozgovs are there on the NBA?

[kosmovitelli]

Dunno if posted by theres a deal that the knicks are apparently givng up wilson chandler, danillo gallonari, timofey mozgov and multiple first rounders for melo...coach d antoni has balked at the deal because the knicks are giving up too much assets.....

via rotoworld.com

http://rotoworld.com/sports/nba/basketball

I just checked and didn't see any mention of that trade offer.

Anyway, there's no need to ask d'Antoni about that trade because I'm pretty sure Donnie Walsh wouldn't make such a trade in the first place (unless Dolan takes over and pulls the trigger himself). Also the Knicks don't have multiple first rounders to offer. They can trade Anthony Randolph for a first round pick but I doubt Walsh would include a Knicks future pick in that case. As we already traded our 2012 first round pick, it would be irresponsible to trade all that youth + Knicks future first rounders (2014 or later) for Melo. Especially with Amare possibly breaking down in 3 or 4 years. Let's not act like we're a lock to make the playoffs for the foreseeable future. We're not even certain to make the playoffs this season !

[ORANGEandBLUE]

For people pushing the Melo-Amare-CP3 trio, how do you expect to sign CP3 outright when we can't sign Melo outright? It will be the same process all over again, only we won't have any assets left.

[BigUgly]

Not knowing the new CBA makes it hard to exactly say how b there is going to be some type of ways like the MLE over the cap teams can add talent. We also have Azu exp deal that we may be able to move for a player but that may be hard depending on when A Carmelo trade is done . Also we have been prtty goood lately at drafting late with Douglas and Fields. So we will buy some late picks and hope we scout well. Also dont discount the fact that with two stars more veteren role players will find there way here for cheap thinking they can provide depth for a title run. I like Mosgov but to think he is a dealbreaker is insane. I woukld be kind of sad to see Danillo go but you got to give to get. Walsh has shown a knack for finding good role players over the years . It would take some time but the hardest part getting stars would be done.

[King of Troy]

Not knowing the new CBA makes it hard to exactly say how b there is going to be some type of ways like the MLE over the cap teams can add talent. We also have Azu exp deal that we may be able to move for a player but that may be hard depending on when A Carmelo trade is done . Also we have been prtty goood lately at drafting late with Douglas and Fields. So we will buy some late picks and hope we scout well. Also dont discount the fact that with two stars more veteren role players will find there way here for cheap thinking they can provide depth for a title run. I like Mosgov but to think he is a dealbreaker is insane. I woukld be kind of sad to see Danillo go but you got to give to get. Walsh has shown a knack for finding good role players over the years . It would take some time but the hardest part getting stars would be done.

That is a lot of "what ifs" for my liking. We have guys now who we know what they can give us. Risking it because we may draft well again in the late 1st or in the 2nd round is overtly risky. No guarantees, plus no guarantees that we can even buy late picks this year. Just because it was possible before does not mean it will be in the future. It is a risk.

Veterans willing to play for less is also risky. This is only 2 all stars we're talking about. This isn't a big 3, or a championship team. Why would a good vet play for NY when they can sign for Mia, Bos, or LA?

It seems like it involves a lot of risk for a team that still won't be title contenders. Neither of our stars in that scenario play defense.

[aggo]

if the NBA is truthful in that there are teams losing money, and likely-- these teams are not in the top market-- the last thing that the new CBA will do is to give more power to the teams who can afford to spend.