1/16 Orlando Postgame thread

[NYDesi80]

I don't like how too much is riding on BD. Its scary but unfortunately the truth.

[knicksosmoove]

This team will suck as long as an imbecile the coach.

worse, it will suck as long as an imbecile is the owner.

i know there's got to be knicks fans who are high up in the music industry . . . can't someone give him a major record deal, convince him to go on tour full time, and force him to sell the knicks because he won't have enough time for it. or at least force him to be completely hands off.

[knicksosmoove]

i will buy a "JD and the Straight Shots Go Country!" CD if it means saving the knicks . . .

[Clyde_Style]

I prefer JD and the Straight Shots Expatriate

[BasicBall]

This team will suck as long as an imbecile the coach.

This is the most accurate quote in this entire thread. Our coach, who I have been patient with, is a JOKE! I don't like guys who can't adapt to the situation as it stands. He's a horrible in game coach. And for all his supposed genius offensively, it's as bad as it's ever been. Will Baron help? If healthy of course, but this coach really has gotta go after this season, regardless.

And I am saying this after a game where they did some very good things.

[Buttah304]

Where did this idea come from that Amare started to play poorly when Carmelo was traded to the Knicks? The ENTIRE month prior (December) he shot .456 from the field. His jumper was slowly falling apart then, and you can tell that all the work STAT was putting in (the minutes, the reliance on him end of games) was breaking him down. It is amazing to me that some people want to act as if we were not 7-12 in the 19 games before Anthony got here. Look at the #'s Amare was putting up during the streak we went 13-1, and looked at what happened to him when we started losing games we shouldn't have. The 2010-2011 Knicks went as STAT did. I fully understand that Felton was playing very well, and Gallinari & Chandler were growing as players, but sometimes #'s do not lie, and sometimes they don't tell the truth. In this specific instance, STAT's play DIRECTLY impacted our W's and L's DRAMATICALLY, and you would be lying to yourself and everyone on this board if you can't see that. That December Stoudemire had was the LOWEST FG% he shot in a month since April his Sophmore year. Repeat, April 2003-2004. People seriously need to stop with the notion that Melo slowed him down. Are people seriously buying this bull? Reading comments like "Melo destroyed Stoudemire," are so low, even for the Knick fans that don't like Melo. Until then, stop making excuses for the guy. He isn't showing up for games, playing with no heart, his body language is poor, defense at a career worst, and until it is fixed, him jumper is broken. It kills me to say that because I still believe that until we get Davis it is not fully fair to judge STAT, but right now as fans just call it like it is, and stop denying what your seeing on court.

[mildred]

Where did this idea come from that Amare started to play poorly when Carmelo was traded to the Knicks? The ENTIRE month prior (December) he shot .456 from the field. His jumper was slowly falling apart then, and you can tell that all the work STAT was putting in (the minutes, the reliance on him end of games) was breaking him down. It is amazing to me that some people want to act as if we were not 7-12 in the 19 games before Anthony got here. Look at the #'s Amare was putting up during the streak we went 13-1, and looked at what happened to him when we started losing games we shouldn't have. The 2010-2011 Knicks went as STAT did. I fully understand that Felton was playing very well, and Gallinari & Chandler were growing as players, but sometimes #'s do not lie, and sometimes they don't tell the truth. In this specific instance, STAT's play DIRECTLY impacted our W's and L's DRAMATICALLY, and you would be lying to yourself and everyone on this board if you can't see that. That December Stoudemire had was the LOWEST FG% he shot in a month since April his Sophmore year. Repeat, April 2003-2004. People seriously need to stop with the notion that Melo slowed him down. Are people seriously buying this bull? Reading comments like "Melo destroyed Stoudemire," are so low, even for the Knick fans that don't like Melo. Until then, stop making excuses for the guy. He isn't showing up for games, playing with no heart, his body language is poor, defense at a career worst, and until it is fixed, him jumper is broken. It kills me to say that because I still believe that until we get Davis it is not fully fair to judge STAT, but right now as fans just call it like it is, and stop denying what your seeing on court.

I've been saying this all along. Thanks for digging up those december stats. This is the Amare I saw last year (approximations) ......

games 1-15 - horrible. Turnover machine, no defense, no fluid offense

games 16-30 - incredible, shot lights out, good weakside helper, better defensively, pure leader

games 31-50 - average in all ways, defense worsened, still maintained leadership role

games 51-82 - his game worsened notably with his injuries, horrible defender, lost his jumper, turnovers started again, trouble co existing with Melo

Many fans looked at games 16-30 and took Amare's NBA reputation and crowned him MVP. I understand fan attachment to a sports hero, but c'mon. When those same fans call me stupid because I see an Amare not thru rose colored glasses but thru clear glasses you just gotta laugh. I don't care that Amare is a long standing superstar. I want him to be a superstar while he's on the Knicks and so far except for games 16-30 he has not shown up as a superstar. And for that matter not even as an all star.

For chrissakes ..... I really like Amare believe it or not. It just gets me so upset that he's not even trying along with the selfishness he displays on the court. But like Buttah said, it's not Melo and I agree to a large extent. I stand pat and say he's injured and by playing injured and hurting the team infuriates me even more if true.

[god shammgod]

I stand pat and say he's injured and by playing injured and hurting the team infuriates me even more if true.

i would think this too if he couldn't get up and dunk as easy as he does. there's no sign that he's being held back physically. he's just missing shots. he needs a point guard but he's also just in a slump.

[Rasho Brezec]

This is more than a slump. There must be something else behind this. Look at the cheap fouls he's making, completely lazy and uninterested, just like the coach.

[god shammgod]

This is more than a slump. There must be something else behind this. Look at the cheap fouls he's making, completely lazy and uninterested, just like the coach.

he always made cheap fouls when he tried to play defense. he's just not a very smart defender. i just don't see any sign of injury. if his back was messed up it would be easy to notice.

[cgmw]

This is more than a slump. There must be something else behind this. Look at the cheap fouls he's making, completely lazy and uninterested, just like the coach.

he always made cheap fouls when he tried to play defense. he's just not a very smart defender. i just don't see any sign of injury. if his back was messed up it would be easy to notice.

My impression is that Amar'e has difficulty staying focused. When he's on, he's among the best ever. But how often have we seen him look like he's lost in a cloud out there? What's worse is that he doesn't just seem lost for stretches of individual games -- he seems lost for weeks at a time.

I wouldn't be shocked if the answer to Amare's problems could be prescribed by a psychopharmacologist. Wouldn't it be nice if he could just take a pill to become the alert, aware, aggressive and dominant STAT that we all love to love?

[Rasho Brezec]

Nah, it's not the same. Usually, when he misses a defensive assignment, he just moves out of the way. Now he's just flat out shoving people for easy and-1's. Like he's mad at someone.

[Clyde_Style]

Where did this idea come from that Amare started to play poorly when Carmelo was traded to the Knicks? The ENTIRE month prior (December) he shot .456 from the field. His jumper was slowly falling apart then, and you can tell that all the work STAT was putting in (the minutes, the reliance on him end of games) was breaking him down. It is amazing to me that some people want to act as if we were not 7-12 in the 19 games before Anthony got here. Look at the #'s Amare was putting up during the streak we went 13-1, and looked at what happened to him when we started losing games we shouldn't have. The 2010-2011 Knicks went as STAT did. I fully understand that Felton was playing very well, and Gallinari & Chandler were growing as players, but sometimes #'s do not lie, and sometimes they don't tell the truth. In this specific instance, STAT's play DIRECTLY impacted our W's and L's DRAMATICALLY, and you would be lying to yourself and everyone on this board if you can't see that. That December Stoudemire had was the LOWEST FG% he shot in a month since April his Sophmore year. Repeat, April 2003-2004. People seriously need to stop with the notion that Melo slowed him down. Are people seriously buying this bull? Reading comments like "Melo destroyed Stoudemire," are so low, even for the Knick fans that don't like Melo. Until then, stop making excuses for the guy. He isn't showing up for games, playing with no heart, his body language is poor, defense at a career worst, and until it is fixed, him jumper is broken. It kills me to say that because I still believe that until we get Davis it is not fully fair to judge STAT, but right now as fans just call it like it is, and stop denying what your seeing on court.

I've been saying this all along. Thanks for digging up those december stats. This is the Amare I saw last year (approximations) ......

games 1-15 - horrible. Turnover machine, no defense, no fluid offense

games 16-30 - incredible, shot lights out, good weakside helper, better defensively, pure leader

games 31-50 - average in all ways, defense worsened, still maintained leadership role

games 51-82 - his game worsened notably with his injuries, horrible defender, lost his jumper, turnovers started again, trouble co existing with Melo

Many fans looked at games 16-30 and took Amare's NBA reputation and crowned him MVP. I understand fan attachment to a sports hero, but c'mon. When those same fans call me stupid because I see an Amare not thru rose colored glasses but thru clear glasses you just gotta laugh. I don't care that Amare is a long standing superstar. I want him to be a superstar while he's on the Knicks and so far except for games 16-30 he has not shown up as a superstar. And for that matter not even as an all star.

For chrissakes ..... I really like Amare believe it or not. It just gets me so upset that he's not even trying along with the selfishness he displays on the court. But like Buttah said, it's not Melo and I agree to a large extent. I stand pat and say he's injured and by playing injured and hurting the team infuriates me even more if true.

Good work.

It is true. After his 30 point game streak ended and he came down off his MVP chant high, Stat was never the same. Sports is hard. He pushed hard and did not recover. He is still trying to recover. Stat was hot for two months maximum, the rest he has been not. Or average. Or worse.

[seren]

Stat never had a stretch like what he is having right now with the exception of the 3 games he played in the season he was injured. I do not recall any month, any 13 game stretch whatever that he shot 42 percent or he managed to record no blocks. Does anyone know whether this ever happened to him?