OT: The WWE Thread

[Fury]

Dude, you are out of your mind. Either that, or you have a very bad memory.

I will now skip over every post you make in this thread from here on out.

You're nuts. Explain to me how any of those wrestlers combined such different styles, carried as many bad workers, had a variation of their five moves of doom, sold, and had the psychology, they all had pieces of those, or even had those skills but did not do it to the level of Daniel Bryan. Daniel Bryan has been the legit best wrestler in America for the past decade, with the WWE style he has even stepped up a level.

How old are you? 20? You probably think CM Punk is a top 10 wrestler of all time.

Daniel Bryan might be the best wrestler of the past decade (he isn't). But 10 years ago, it was 2004, and guys like Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Owen Hart and Mr. Perfect were either well past their primes, gone from the company, or dead. So make your point more clear.

You really think he's better than those 4 guys in their primes? He's better than Benoit and Eddie Guerrero? Better than Austin, Mick Foley and Taker? How about Jericho or Kurt Angle? Better than Rick Rude and the Macho Man?

Is he better than RVD or Edge?

Is he even better than Dean Amrbose or Dolph Ziggler?

I can go on and on. How dare you call him the GOAT.

LOL

You have no clue, bro. First of all, where did I mention CM Punk in that list of dudes who compare? Do you only watch WWE? Seriously? Why not mention Ric Flair, Dean Malenko, Misawa, Jushin Liger, Terry Funk? Why stop at WWE guys?

He's better than all of the guys you mentioned. Mick Foley and Taker aren't even close, IN RING PERFORMANCE. RVD was a spot monkey. I'm not even touching Edge. Dean Ambrose isn't a great worker, good but not great. Ziggler is a great bumper.

Austin was really good and would have been better without the neck injury. Chris Jericho was also really good but not as crisp in the ring. Kurt Angle devolved into suplex after suplex without much psychology.

Rick Rude, no. Solid worker, never an elite worker. Savage had some classic matches, but he doesn't have Bryan's all around ability.

When you're talking about Bryan, you're talking about a guy who can do ANYTHING in the ring. He has the hard style from Japan, the lucha libre from Mexico, and the psychology of American workers (works the crowd, understands the logical progression of a match). You cannot be serious with this weak ass lame argument. He's better than all of them in their prime, except possibly Bret Hart, but I give Bryan the edge due to more versatility.

[Quadruple H]

You're nuts. Explain to me how any of those wrestlers combined such different styles, carried as many bad workers, had a variation of their five moves of doom, sold, and had the psychology, they all had pieces of those, or even had those skills but did not do it to the level of Daniel Bryan. Daniel Bryan has been the legit best wrestler in America for the past decade, with the WWE style he has even stepped up a level.

How old are you? 20? You probably think CM Punk is a top 10 wrestler of all time.

Daniel Bryan might be the best wrestler of the past decade (he isn't). But 10 years ago, it was 2004, and guys like Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Owen Hart and Mr. Perfect were either well past their primes, gone from the company, or dead. So make your point more clear.

You really think he's better than those 4 guys in their primes? He's better than Benoit and Eddie Guerrero? Better than Austin, Mick Foley and Taker? How about Jericho or Kurt Angle? Better than Rick Rude and the Macho Man?

Is he better than RVD or Edge?

Is he even better than Dean Amrbose or Dolph Ziggler?

I can go on and on. How dare you call him the GOAT.

LOL

You have no clue, bro. First of all, where did I mention CM Punk in that list of dudes who compare? Do you only watch WWE? Seriously? Why not mention Ric Flair, Dean Malenko, Misawa, Jushin Liger, Terry Funk? Why stop at WWE guys?

He's better than all of the guys you mentioned. Mick Foley and Taker aren't even close, IN RING PERFORMANCE. RVD was a spot monkey. I'm not even touching Edge. Dean Ambrose isn't a great worker, good but not great. Ziggler is a great bumper.

Austin was really good and would have been better without the neck injury. Chris Jericho was also really good but not as crisp in the ring. Kurt Angle devolved into suplex after suplex without much psychology.

Rick Rude, no. Solid worker, never an elite worker. Savage had some classic matches, but he doesn't have Bryan's all around ability.

When you're talking about Bryan, you're talking about a guy who can do ANYTHING in the ring. He has the hard style from Japan, the lucha libre from Mexico, and the psychology of American workers (works the crowd, understands the logical progression of a match). You cannot be serious with this weak ass lame argument. He's better than all of them in their prime, except possibly Bret Hart, but I give Bryan the edge due to more versatility.

Whoa dog.

[H_20]

Botchamania 242
http://vimeo.com/85605908

Shows you how bad this year's Royal Rumble was.

[IMAN5]

LOL at the dude saying Taker and Mick Foley were GOAT in the ring. Foley was as sloppy as you can get with not one athletic bone in him, he made a career being a pylon you could kick around, a piece of meat you could torture.

Take was an amazing gimmick, but dude was nothing special as an in ring competitor.

[Knox]

LOL at the dude saying Taker and Mick Foley were GOAT in the ring. Foley was as sloppy as you can get with not one athletic bone in him, he made a career being a pylon you could kick around, a piece of meat you could torture.

Take was an amazing gimmick, but dude was nothing special as an in ring competitor.

Folly made up his sloppiness with unseen courage !!

[QueenzAllDay]

Some of you guys are crazy. Your standards are too high when you say things like Taker and Foley had "poor" in ring performances. You take away all of their classics matches with statements like that.

Calm down lol.

[Butch718]

LOL at the dude saying Taker and Mick Foley were GOAT in the ring. Foley was as sloppy as you can get with not one athletic bone in him, he made a career being a pylon you could kick around, a piece of meat you could torture.

Take was an amazing gimmick, but dude was nothing special as an in ring competitor.

I must admit, I haven't watched wrestling since 04-05. While Taker and Foley weren't master technicians, they were usually very good at putting together entertaining and at times legendary matches. Mick Foley may have been a stuntman, but he was also great at the psychology aspect of putting a match together. Same goes for the Undertaker. Those two were also a part of so many great feuds. Being a great in ring technician isn't the only thing that matters when it comes to being a WWE wrestler.

[Fury]

Yeah, Foley and Taker are great performers in their own rights, but they don't compare to Daniel Bryan. They're different.

[poeman]

My WWE world fell apart when Kurt Angle left.

I also remember being a huge fan of the guy who was I would say pretty cool...Anyone remember The Patriot? Especially his beef with Bret Hart

His theme was basically epic and came before Angle. I loved it at the time.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11AJW68wfxA[/youtube]

I miss these days

[Butch718]

Yeah, Foley and Taker are great performers in their own rights, but they don't compare to Daniel Bryan. They're different.

That's more accurate. They were great performers, and had great gimmicks to go along with it. A lot of the times, that's more than enough. A lot of the guys during the Attitude era fit this mold.

[wolfv]

I really miss the 1996-2004 period of wrestling

[Kobe System]

Yeah, Foley and Taker are great performers in their own rights, but they don't compare to Daniel Bryan. They're different.

Wow. Just wondering, do you feel the same when DB was part of Team Hell No or just because of the "Yes Movement". DB is stating to become the most overrated wrestler of all time. I mean, really? Daniel Bryan over Taker and Foley?

[Butch718]

I loved Kurt Angle. Him and Stone Cold put together some of the funniest promos back in the day. Especially when they were teaming together as part of the Alliance storyline.

Also, I'll never forget that match he had with Shane during KoTR in 01.

[Fury]

Yeah, Foley and Taker are great performers in their own rights, but they don't compare to Daniel Bryan. They're different.

Wow. Just wondering, do you feel the same when DB was part of Team Hell No or just because of the "Yes Movement". DB is stating to become the most overrated wrestler of all time. I mean, really? Daniel Bryan over Taker and Foley?

I'm not talking about everything (like character, accomplishments, promo, success, etc.). I'm just talking about as a worker in the ring. Bryan has been a great worker long before he even became a WWE Superstar.

[poeman]

I loved Kurt Angle. Him and Stone Cold put together some of the funniest promos back in the day. Especially when they were teaming together as part of the Alliance storyline.

Also, I'll never forget that match he had with Shane during KoTR in 01.

The f**king best

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKWK7V14mv0[/youtube]

I remember that match with Shane...Mad props for him signing onto that. He had some great matches.

Btw, I cannot believe Kurt did this...WOW TNA WOW

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCxCBz9jO2w[/youtube]

WWE does not have the balls to pull this off now. Did anyone see that Angle moment live on tv?

[wolfv]

Yeah, Foley and Taker are great performers in their own rights, but they don't compare to Daniel Bryan. They're different.

That's more accurate. They were great performers, and had great gimmicks to go along with it. A lot of the times, that's more than enough. A lot of the guys during the Attitude era fit this mold.

Yea, great performers is the best way to describe them. Back then even the midcard was stacked with such unique guys. All had their own look and move-set. Everything today is so generic: the looks, moves, names, and entrance music.

[Butch718]

Yeah, Foley and Taker are great performers in their own rights, but they don't compare to Daniel Bryan. They're different.

That's more accurate. They were great performers, and had great gimmicks to go along with it. A lot of the times, that's more than enough. A lot of the guys during the Attitude era fit this mold.

Yea, great performers is the best way to describe them. Back then even the midcard was stacked with such unique guys. All had their own look and move-set. Everything today is so generic: the looks, moves, names, and entrance music.

I'm just curious, why is that though? I haven't really followed wrestling for 9 years. Is it because nothing comes off as fresh anymore? Or has Vince watered down the product? Or a combo of both?

When SCSA first came up, it was just so organic. I don't think you could ever recreate a situation like that ever again. I remember when the Rock first came up the WWF tried to force him on the fans, and they boo'ed the hell out of him for it. But the guy was a GOAT on the mic. Eventually, fans just didn't want to boo him anymore even though he was a heel. Corporate Rock was the best.

[Fury]

That's more accurate. They were great performers, and had great gimmicks to go along with it. A lot of the times, that's more than enough. A lot of the guys during the Attitude era fit this mold.

Yea, great performers is the best way to describe them. Back then even the midcard was stacked with such unique guys. All had their own look and move-set. Everything today is so generic: the looks, moves, names, and entrance music.

I'm just curious, why is that though? I haven't really followed wrestling for 9 years. Is it because nothing comes off as fresh anymore? Or has Vince watered down the product? Or a combo of both?

When SCSA first came up, it was just so organic. I don't think you could ever recreate a situation like that ever again. I remember when the Rock first came up the WWF tried to force him on the fans, and they boo'ed the hell out of him for it. But the guy was a GOAT on the mic. Eventually, fans just didn't want to boo him anymore even though he was a heel. Corporate Rock was the best.

The death of the territories, and the death of any other major promotion. WWE can develop and churn out the look they feel would sell more. And with the end of territories, not a lot of wrestlers are trained to you know, be a professional wrestler, so they have to script promos and be more hands on. Austin was organic because he did his own ****. But now with the success of Punk and Bryan, we're seeing an influx of indy wrestlers, dudes whose first experience with wrestling is not the WWE, so they have their own styles and niches that can make them stick out.

At the same time, the WWE has stepped up with the development, and now we're seeing unique acts like the Wyatts and the Shield, so there is some hope.

[wolfv]

I'm not the wrestling fan I once was but I keep up through the internet and tune in every now and again, usually at the start/ends of RAW.

I think Vince just wanted his product to appear more 'real' because MMA/UFC really blew up, so all the wrestlers use a real name (eg. Daniel Bryan, Randy Orton, Jon Cena, etc), all use generic looking trunks/boots. I know they are not allowed to use moves that were common in the past because they're now deemed too dangerous both for the wrestlers and the kids who try to do the moves on their friends, so you never see any cool suplexes or pile-drivers now.

WWE also has no competition anymore, and the days of all the wrestling territories are over. You used to have many different, knowledgeable wrestling guys all over North America developing/booking talent. Vince supposedly hates indie wrestling, so many of the new wrestlers are coming out of WWE's developmental promotion, and they all just seem bland to me (Wyatt is pretty interesting character though)

edit: Basically what Fury said

[Bill Pidto]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKWK7V14mv0[/youtube]

That was an awesome frickin video. Wow, Angle was great. And so was Shane lol. I can't tell you how many times I said, "OMG" watching the highlights of that match.