Offseason Thread - So Begins The Lesser Offseason - Well... After Kawhi Decides

[KNIXFAN_83]

Gang!

[J9Starks3]

Gang!

The foundation!

[Juco24]

I can totally see DSJ not being ok with being 6th man... Fiz is gonna have some egos to play with this year

If his jumper isn't improved....

Either way I think him or Frank need to go imo. Payton signing shows that the Knicks don't have full confidence in either

[Capn'O]

Where Elfrid Payton sees himself in the Knicks’ point-guard pecking order.

In fact, Payton said he had “so many options,” but picked the Knicks partly because of playing time.

One of GM Scott Perry’s favorites, Payton agreed to terms on a two-year deal for $16 million, the second year being a team option, and now joins Dennis Smith Jr. and Frank Ntilikina in the point-guard derby.

“Playing time was a factor and it depended on the deal,’’ Payton told HoopsHype. “I obviously don’t mind playing on a one-year deal … but when you’re in a situation where you’re on a one-year deal, you have to be able to play to showcase what you can do. If you’re on a one-year deal and you don’t play, then your hands are kind of tied, you feel me? I also looked at the coaching and playing style.”

https://nypost.com/2019/07/04/where-elfrid-payton-sees-himself-in-the-knicks-point-guard-pecking-order/

This was a good interview. EP thinks he should start and quite frankly so do I. His familiarity with JR should not be downplayed along with his work ethic

I looked at lineup info on bbref on Payton. He had good +/- with the NO starters, including Randle. That team really got smacked by injuries, including Payton, and then AD drama started. They were decent and maybe a similar lineup dynamic here with Mitch, RJ, and Bullock instead of Moore, AD, and Holiday.

[J9Starks3]

I can totally see DSJ not being ok with being 6th man... Fiz is gonna have some egos to play with this year

If his jumper isn't improved....

Either way I think him or Frank need to go imo. Payton signing shows that the Knicks don't have full confidence in either

I wasn’t commenting on if it was right or wrong... just that either way, if DSJ ain’t starting I can see him being a locker room problem...

[Jeff Van Gully]

I can totally see DSJ not being ok with being 6th man... Fiz is gonna have some egos to play with this year

I’m hoping they pull together. Looks like the plan is to make the Knicks consistently respectable. Hopefully these guys mostly fight to be part of it and financially rewarded to do so.

[Sark]

I can't believe I am saying this, but Nick Wright is correct. They could have signed Julius Randle, then held the cap space for a chance at Kawhi. Signing Portis, Taj Gibson, Reggie Bullock, and Wayne Ellington are not worth more than even a 1% chance at Kawhi. Those 4 are all easily replaceable, especially at the massive overpay that we gave them.

[BallSacBounce]

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quality dude..

Yeah and it looks like we have a lot of quality dudes. Some family story, wow.

[BallSacBounce]

Probably not. He probably wasnt coming here either way. But Kawhi is different so you never really know. It sounds like he doesn't even know where he's going. I kinda like hedging bets so would have been ok with that.

Overall i think people are just complaining how we spent our money so fast on the players we did. This looks like our plan A since it seems like we didn't even want/try for any of the max guys or seem to try for picks/trades. Management talked so much about it and is just underwhelming.

i think once kd got injured this whole thing fell apart. they figured, and i would say correctly, that with kd getting injured you would have to team him up with kawhi to contend now. kyrie and post achilles kd woudn't get it done anymore and they lost their taste for kyrie anyway with what he did in boston. bucher said kd wanted kawhi to come to the knicks and kawhi wanted kd to go the clippers. well that tells you right there he wasn't coming. if he wouldn't join kd in new york, he aint joining anyone else here. so they moved on.

And then he told the Knicks he'd give them a meeting on the 3rd. So he was at least going entertain the idea. It also meant KD would've waited to choose. And the Nets would've just been sitting on their hands already committed to Kyrie with the possibility of losing KD and also other free agents in the meantime.

THe smart move was to wait. Julius Randle isn't worth giving up on the off-season you prepped over 1 year for.

Like, Durant's decision was announced an hour before FA started. Did you just drop in on the conversation? Wait!? LOL

[drekwins]

I just realized... we have Charlottes 2nd round pick next year. Without Kemba, they will be in the running for the worst record in the league. That could be a great pick. Definitely adds value to our team or via trade.

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How could this only get 2 And1s that **** was hilarious. Love the dunk on LeBron bouncing off his head lmao.

'Fine, I'll do it myself." Ahahahaha

[Juco24]

Where Elfrid Payton sees himself in the Knicks’ point-guard pecking order.



https://nypost.com/2019/07/04/where-elfrid-payton-sees-himself-in-the-knicks-point-guard-pecking-order/

This was a good interview. EP thinks he should start and quite frankly so do I. His familiarity with JR should not be downplayed along with his work ethic

I looked at lineup info on bbref on Payton. He had good +/- with the NO starters, including Randle. That team really got smacked by injuries, including Payton, and then AD drama started. They were decent and maybe a similar lineup dynamic here with Mitch, RJ, and Bullock instead of Moore, AD, and Holiday.

Yeah I think they were like 4-0 before EP got hurt and then things pretty much fell apart (to your point)

[J9Starks3]

I can't believe I am saying this, but Nick Wright is correct. They could have signed Julius Randle, then held the cap space for a chance at Kawhi. Signing Portis, Taj Gibson, Reggie Bullock, and Wayne Ellington are not worth more than even a 1% chance at Kawhi. Those 4 are all easily replaceable, especially at the massive overpay that we gave them.

Don’t disagree with this...I also dont agree with Chris’ statement that Randle doesnt fit with Kawhi... hes a 35% 3 point shooter at the PF spot, thats respectable enough that you cant collapse off him to cover Kawhi without it costing you. I still do not agree that any of these are “massive overpays”... its hard to have “massive overpay” on people making the MLE or less... Portis and Taj value is not far off what they got either.

[Sark]

I can't believe I am saying this, but Nick Wright is correct. They could have signed Julius Randle, then held the cap space for a chance at Kawhi. Signing Portis, Taj Gibson, Reggie Bullock, and Wayne Ellington are not worth more than even a 1% chance at Kawhi. Those 4 are all easily replaceable, especially at the massive overpay that we gave them.

Don’t disagree with this...I also dont agree with Chris’ statement that Randle doesnt fit with Kawhi... hes a 35% 3 point shooter at the PF spot, thats respectable enough that you cant collapse off him to cover Kawhi without it costing you. I still do not agree that any of these are “massive overpays”... its hard to have “massive overpay” on people making the MLE or less... Portis and Taj value is not far off what they got either.

For the price of 1 year of Bobby Portis, we could have had Kevon Looney, Willie Cauley Stein, and and about another $5m to use elsewhere.

Do you really think a backup pf/c for $15m/year is not an overpay?


It it what it is, but they definitely overpaid all these contracts, in order to get more team flexibility. They can dump them all next year, and do it again.

[Im Coming Home]

Again I ask, Why didn't we bring back Vonleh? He was great last year except for the end of the season. He showed he could rebound, defend(he locked up Giannis), bring the ball up, shoot the 3.. why not bring him back instead of Portis?

[Enzo954]

I can't believe I am saying this, but Nick Wright is correct. They could have signed Julius Randle, then held the cap space for a chance at Kawhi. Signing Portis, Taj Gibson, Reggie Bullock, and Wayne Ellington are not worth more than even a 1% chance at Kawhi. Those 4 are all easily replaceable, especially at the massive overpay that we gave them.

I disagree 100%.

If we didn't sign those guys on extremely team friendly 2 year deals with the second year being a team option, we'd still be waiting for Kawhi's decision. All the decent players would most likely be signed right now and we'd be left with nothing but scraps. A 1% chance is not worth waiting on, especially with how fast teams were signing free agents this year.


We have a hard nosed scrappy team with a ton of youth and upside. Thanks to Pills we can have a plenty of cap space again next year if we choose to not resign those guys. Maybe Kawhi and Anthony Davis will want to team up next year on the Knicks. Nothings set in stone yet but there's a good chance Kawhi signs a 1 year deal with Toronto at this point like many have speculated. If that happens it's a whole new ball game. Time will tell.

[newyorker4ever]

Where Elfrid Payton sees himself in the Knicks’ point-guard pecking order.

In fact, Payton said he had “so many options,” but picked the Knicks partly because of playing time.

One of GM Scott Perry’s favorites, Payton agreed to terms on a two-year deal for $16 million, the second year being a team option, and now joins Dennis Smith Jr. and Frank Ntilikina in the point-guard derby.

“Playing time was a factor and it depended on the deal,’’ Payton told HoopsHype. “I obviously don’t mind playing on a one-year deal … but when you’re in a situation where you’re on a one-year deal, you have to be able to play to showcase what you can do. If you’re on a one-year deal and you don’t play, then your hands are kind of tied, you feel me? I also looked at the coaching and playing style.”

https://nypost.com/2019/07/04/where-elfrid-payton-sees-himself-in-the-knicks-point-guard-pecking-order/

Uh oh, has 3tothehead seen this yet? Can someone check all bridges and keep a good lookout for him please? Here's his pic if you don't know what he looks like.

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[Sark]

I can't believe I am saying this, but Nick Wright is correct. They could have signed Julius Randle, then held the cap space for a chance at Kawhi. Signing Portis, Taj Gibson, Reggie Bullock, and Wayne Ellington are not worth more than even a 1% chance at Kawhi. Those 4 are all easily replaceable, especially at the massive overpay that we gave them.

I disagree 100%.

If we didn't sign those guys on extremely team friendly 2 year deals with the second year being a team option, we'd still be waiting for Kawhi's decision. All the decent players would most likely be signed right now and we'd be left with nothing but scraps. A 1% chance is not worth waiting on, especially with how fast teams were signing free agents this year.


We have a hard nosed scrappy team with a ton of youth and upside. Thanks to Pills we can have a plenty of cap space again next year if we choose to not resign those guys. Maybe Kawhi and Anthony Davis will want to team up next year on the Knicks. Nothings set in stone yet but there's a good chance Kawhi signs a 1 year deal with Toronto at this point like many have speculated. If that happens it's a whole new ball game. Time will tell.

The point is those guys are all replacement level/D level players. Reggie Bullock? Wayne Ellington? 34 year old Taj Gibson?

These are guys that on a decent team are like 8th, 9th, or 10th in depth chart. Maybe worse.

[Enzo954]

I can't believe I am saying this, but Nick Wright is correct. They could have signed Julius Randle, then held the cap space for a chance at Kawhi. Signing Portis, Taj Gibson, Reggie Bullock, and Wayne Ellington are not worth more than even a 1% chance at Kawhi. Those 4 are all easily replaceable, especially at the massive overpay that we gave them.

I disagree 100%.

If we didn't sign those guys on extremely team friendly 2 year deals with the second year being a team option, we'd still be waiting for Kawhi's decision. All the decent players would most likely be signed right now and we'd be left with nothing but scraps. A 1% chance is not worth waiting on, especially with how fast teams were signing free agents this year.


We have a hard nosed scrappy team with a ton of youth and upside. Thanks to Pills we can have a plenty of cap space again next year if we choose to not resign those guys. Maybe Kawhi and Anthony Davis will want to team up next year on the Knicks. Nothings set in stone yet but there's a good chance Kawhi signs a 1 year deal with Toronto at this point like many have speculated. If that happens it's a whole new ball game. Time will tell.

The point is those guys are all replacement level/D level players. Reggie Bullock? Wayne Ellington? 34 year old Taj Gibson?

These are guys that on a decent team are like 8th, 9th, or 10th in depth chart. Maybe worse.

If you think they're such trash can you imagine who we would be signing after Kawhi finally makes his decision? I hear Jimmer Fredette is available now.