ImageImageImageImageImage

2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3)

Moderators: j4remi, HerSports85, NoLayupRule, GONYK, Jeff Van Gully, dakomish23, Deeeez Knicks, mpharris36

Zenzibar
General Manager
Posts: 8,859
And1: 9,514
Joined: Jan 10, 2019
         

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#541 » by Zenzibar » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:02 pm

knickstape21 wrote:

We definitely do not talk enough Precious Achiuwa in here. This is the Siakam/Isaac type forward that fits in so well in today’s NBA.

One of the better defenders in the draft, has the ability to play effectively along-side Mitchell Robinson by stretching the floor, and also the ability to play small ball Center if need be.

The way he gets up and down the floor is ridiculous. Scores in the post, shoots the 3, puts the ball on the deck, and uses both hands. Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t even make it to pick 6.

Also side note is dude is from Queens. Would love to take the hometown kid.


Bobby Portis is better and Randle are better than this kid right now. That he's from Queens only gets you so far.... :D
Stop All Genocides
User avatar
Deeeez Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 49,345
And1: 55,337
Joined: Nov 12, 2004

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#542 » by Deeeez Knicks » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:11 pm

NYF13 wrote:
Draft2020 wrote:


Which option sounds alluring? Don't worry about who's starting or not. Or if anyone is out of their position (hope not drastically when it comes to depth).

OPTION # 1
CP3 (via trade for LAC FRP) - ELFRID
RJ - FRANK - DOTSON
DENI - BULLOCK
HARKLESS/MOOK - KNOX
TAJ - MITCH

OR

OPTION # 2
ROZIER (via trade for LAC FRP) - ELFRID
RJ - FRANK - MONK
DENI - BULLOCK
HARKLESS/MOOK - KNOX
TAJ - MITCH

OR

OPTION # 3
COLE ANTHONY - ELFRID
RJ - FRANK - DOTSON
MOOK (via FA) - BULLOCK
HARKLESS/MOOK - KNOX
TAJ - MITCH

OR

OPTION # 4
LAMELO - ELFRID
RJ - FRANK
MOOK (via FA) - BULLOCK
HARKLESS/MOOK - KNOX
TAJ - MITCH

OR

OPTION # 5
CP3 (via trade for LAC FRP) - ELFRID
EDWARDS - FRANK
RJ - BULLOCK
HARKLESS/MOOK - KNOX
TAJ - MITCH

OR

OPTION # 6
ROZIER (via trade for LAC FRP) - ELFRID
EDWARDS - FRANK - MONK
RJ - BULLOCK
HARKLESS/MOOK - KNOX
TAJ - MITCH


Give me LaMelo.
Mavs
C: Horford | Goga | Paul Reed |
PF: Lauri Markkanen | Randle | Tucker
SF: Trey Murphy | Trent | Anderson | Simone
SG: Vassell | Trent | Livingston
PG: Spida | Mann | Deuce
User avatar
Deeeez Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 49,345
And1: 55,337
Joined: Nov 12, 2004

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#543 » by Deeeez Knicks » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:27 pm

Read on Twitter
Mavs
C: Horford | Goga | Paul Reed |
PF: Lauri Markkanen | Randle | Tucker
SF: Trey Murphy | Trent | Anderson | Simone
SG: Vassell | Trent | Livingston
PG: Spida | Mann | Deuce
jvsimonetti0514
General Manager
Posts: 9,788
And1: 10,018
Joined: Dec 22, 2015
     

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#544 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:30 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Knicksfan1992 wrote:Deni is just ok to me. I actually buy the shot mechanics and I think he'll be a good standstill shooter but I don't see movement shooting ever being a thing for him. Limited handle and first step out of iso IMO which limits his upside as an offensive player. His best bet imo is to be like a 20-30 minute swiss army knife probably off the bench. Positional scarcity moves him higher on the board than what his talent level really is for me. Wouldn't normally pick him top 5 but in this class I guess I could see it.


Yeah, I agree with that take. I don't see him as a big scorer so think that will limit his ceiling. I think he can be a good role player that you like to have on your team. But even in this draft, not sure I would take him top 10 for the Knicks. He reminds me a little of Frank as a prospect, in that he is gonna need time and be developed, and he may end up just being a role player but comes with a lot of risk. If he goes to the right team he could be valuable. Think for the Knicks that could end badly, and there might be better picks for us.


I think it depends on which version of Deni we’re getting. Is it the FIBA version of a playmaking wing or the Maccabi Fox version
Who’s an catch and shoot wing and off ball cutter? Obviously the former is much more valuable than the later.

IIRC there was a part of the euro league season that his team was pretty banged up and he ended playing back up point for Maccabi. I’d love to see some footage of those games to see how he handled it. That be huge deal, if he was successful running point on one of the best teams in the second best league in the world.
I'm apart of a Knicks podcast! You Should check it out!
youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWW9GUVpNULS97PyptXXU4w
knickstape21
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,186
And1: 2,738
Joined: Dec 13, 2012

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#545 » by knickstape21 » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:34 pm

Zenzibar wrote:
knickstape21 wrote:

We definitely do not talk enough Precious Achiuwa in here. This is the Siakam/Isaac type forward that fits in so well in today’s NBA.

One of the better defenders in the draft, has the ability to play effectively along-side Mitchell Robinson by stretching the floor, and also the ability to play small ball Center if need be.

The way he gets up and down the floor is ridiculous. Scores in the post, shoots the 3, puts the ball on the deck, and uses both hands. Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t even make it to pick 6.

Also side note is dude is from Queens. Would love to take the hometown kid.


Bobby Portis is better and Randle are better than this kid right now. That he's from Queens only gets you so far.... :D


There’s still time to delete this.
User avatar
robillionaire
RealGM
Posts: 40,230
And1: 57,810
Joined: Jul 12, 2015
Location: Asheville
     

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#546 » by robillionaire » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:38 pm

NYF13 wrote:
Draft2020 wrote:


Which option sounds alluring? Don't worry about who's starting or not. Or if anyone is out of their position (hope not drastically when it comes to depth).

OPTION # 1
CP3 (via trade for LAC FRP) - ELFRID
RJ - FRANK - DOTSON
DENI - BULLOCK
HARKLESS/MOOK - KNOX
TAJ - MITCH

OR

OPTION # 2
ROZIER (via trade for LAC FRP) - ELFRID
RJ - FRANK - MONK
DENI - BULLOCK
HARKLESS/MOOK - KNOX
TAJ - MITCH

OR

OPTION # 3
COLE ANTHONY - ELFRID
RJ - FRANK - DOTSON
MOOK (via FA) - BULLOCK
HARKLESS/MOOK - KNOX
TAJ - MITCH

OR

OPTION # 4
LAMELO - ELFRID
RJ - FRANK
MOOK (via FA) - BULLOCK
HARKLESS/MOOK - KNOX
TAJ - MITCH

OR

OPTION # 5
CP3 (via trade for LAC FRP) - ELFRID
EDWARDS - FRANK
RJ - BULLOCK
HARKLESS/MOOK - KNOX
TAJ - MITCH

OR

OPTION # 6
ROZIER (via trade for LAC FRP) - ELFRID
EDWARDS - FRANK - MONK
RJ - BULLOCK
HARKLESS/MOOK - KNOX
TAJ - MITCH


Option 4 for lamelo and it's not even close however I'd also like to see some of the washed bums on the roster replaced by Brazdeikis, 27th pick, 38th pick. Also randle isn't going to die of coronavirus. I wouldn't bring back harkless or sign Morris to the kind of contract he is going to want either. And I'd start Mitch.
User avatar
3toheadmelo
RealGM
Posts: 95,934
And1: 137,648
Joined: Feb 15, 2015
 

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#547 » by 3toheadmelo » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:43 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Read on Twitter

Not the draft too... this about to be us for the next 4 months
Image
Image
It’s like when lil bitches make subliminal records, if it ain’t directed directly at me, I don’t respect it
User avatar
malik959
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,297
And1: 1,832
Joined: Apr 10, 2001
Location: Alabama (from L.I)
     

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#548 » by malik959 » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:47 pm

RHODEY wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:I think I would take Deni at #6 as well if he dropped to us. He's everything Mario Hezonja is supposed to be.

For our point guard issue, tank for Cade Cunningham or sign Fred Van Fleet. Or draft Pritchard/Tre Jones with our other picks.


Before he got into the league Mario Hezonja was everything Mario Hezonja was supposed to be. Mario looked pretty damn good pre NBA ....do you think Deni looks demonstrably better?


I had to go back and look at some film on both Gallo and Mario and these are the things I’ve noticed. Gallo of course was the better shooter and had size to post his man up, he could play either forward positions and was pretty smooth with his handles. Mario was very athletic, but also had a very fluid catch and shoot. I wish he could have become more consistent could have become a great player with his style of play. Like Knox we were just waiting for that other shoe to drop to show greatness.

Deni is more of a shooting guard where he thrives in open court, he has the better handle at that age than Mario although he dribbles a little too high and out of control to be a consistent ball handler in the NBA, not saying that can’t change, but it would frustrate the heck out of me. He also has a bad habit of jumping when he makes his passes, most of the time leaving me wondering why even jump because he commits and takes away second options. He does throw some nice passes that make you think of Luca, but Luca was stronger and more defined at that age. I don’t see Deni as a top 6 though, more of an 8-10 because he has a lot of flaws to his game compared to when Gallo, Mario, and Luca came in. He just has a lot of question marks in his game that make him a high risk.
User avatar
Deeeez Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 49,345
And1: 55,337
Joined: Nov 12, 2004

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#549 » by Deeeez Knicks » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:56 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Read on Twitter

Not the draft too... this about to be us for the next 4 months
Image


Yeah, more then ever I was looking forward to the draft. But a lot of reasons to delay it so probably for the best. Oh well, just more time for us to argue and over analyze prospects :lol:
Mavs
C: Horford | Goga | Paul Reed |
PF: Lauri Markkanen | Randle | Tucker
SF: Trey Murphy | Trent | Anderson | Simone
SG: Vassell | Trent | Livingston
PG: Spida | Mann | Deuce
User avatar
malik959
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,297
And1: 1,832
Joined: Apr 10, 2001
Location: Alabama (from L.I)
     

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#550 » by malik959 » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:10 pm

If we could end up with:

Hayes/Cole
Precious/Jalen Smith/Nesmith
Stanley

I would never complain about the Knicks ever again. This would be our best draft in ages. Heck I would be happy with Stanley at 27. I must admit I’m more excited about our 27th pick than our 6th. At 6 there's so many hit or miss player a your looking at potential where at 27 it’s more about searching for skill.
User avatar
Jeff Van Gully
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 30,607
And1: 30,808
Joined: Jul 31, 2010
     

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#551 » by Jeff Van Gully » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:11 pm

blanko wrote:
Knicksfan1992 wrote:
Jeff Van Gully wrote:
he looks like billy hoyle out there. def a spring in his step we didn't see before. i wonder how much of that is competition and how much is progress as a player.

i'd love to see him back in the NBA. he looks a LOT quicker and looser.



I had a soft spot for Ron. He was a pitbull on defense, but for some reason the jumper never translated to the NBA 3. He was always inconsistent in college but generally he would always level out at a decent percentage. Always felt there was a spot in the league for him if he could get to 35-38% from 3 but he could never put it together consistently enough on offense to stick in the rotation.

Hope he gets 1 more shot at the league but either way if he's making money in Europe that's a good thing.
Didnt a shoulder injury mess up his shot?

Sent from my SM-N960N using Tapatalk


i can imagine it didn't help. but he wasn't knocking them down before either, IIRC.
RIP magnumt

thanks for everything, thibs.

Knicks Forum: State of the Board - Summer 2025
avatar by evevale
User avatar
RHODEY
RealGM
Posts: 25,300
And1: 22,812
Joined: May 18, 2007
Location: Straight out of a comic book

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#552 » by RHODEY » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:11 pm

knickstape21 wrote:

We definitely do not talk enough Precious Achiuwa in here. This is the Siakam/Isaac type forward that fits in so well in today’s NBA.

One of the better defenders in the draft, has the ability to play effectively along-side Mitchell Robinson by stretching the floor, and also the ability to play small ball Center if need be.

The way he gets up and down the floor is ridiculous. Scores in the post, shoots the 3, puts the ball on the deck, and uses both hands. Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t even make it to pick 6.

Also side note is dude is from Queens. Would love to take the hometown kid.


Image
HEZI
RealGM
Posts: 43,476
And1: 29,609
Joined: Nov 16, 2004
 

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#553 » by HEZI » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:35 pm

Precious looks raw as hell and not very intriguing as a prospect to be honest. Looks very much like Jonathan Motley.

They guy we want later in the draft is Mamadi Diakite. If hes there with the Hornets pick take him and run
DENVER NUGGETS
Jamal Murray/Ty Jerome/Dante Exum
Zach Lavine/Ochai Agbaji/Corey Kispert
Aaron Gordon/Josh Okogie/Julian Strawther
Jakob Poeltl/Moussa Diabate/Karlo Matkovic
Ivica Zubac/Nick Richards/Oscar Tshiebwe
HEZI
RealGM
Posts: 43,476
And1: 29,609
Joined: Nov 16, 2004
 

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#554 » by HEZI » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:37 pm



Get him!

But I want guards with the first 2 picks
DENVER NUGGETS
Jamal Murray/Ty Jerome/Dante Exum
Zach Lavine/Ochai Agbaji/Corey Kispert
Aaron Gordon/Josh Okogie/Julian Strawther
Jakob Poeltl/Moussa Diabate/Karlo Matkovic
Ivica Zubac/Nick Richards/Oscar Tshiebwe
User avatar
RHODEY
RealGM
Posts: 25,300
And1: 22,812
Joined: May 18, 2007
Location: Straight out of a comic book

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#555 » by RHODEY » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:46 pm

HEZI wrote:

Get him!

But I want guards with the first 2 picks


Hard no...the hair irritates me. :(
HEZI
RealGM
Posts: 43,476
And1: 29,609
Joined: Nov 16, 2004
 

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#556 » by HEZI » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:51 pm

RHODEY wrote:
HEZI wrote:

Get him!

But I want guards with the first 2 picks


Hard no...the hair irritates me. :(


:lol:
DENVER NUGGETS
Jamal Murray/Ty Jerome/Dante Exum
Zach Lavine/Ochai Agbaji/Corey Kispert
Aaron Gordon/Josh Okogie/Julian Strawther
Jakob Poeltl/Moussa Diabate/Karlo Matkovic
Ivica Zubac/Nick Richards/Oscar Tshiebwe
User avatar
HerSports85
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 21,843
And1: 35,556
Joined: Dec 22, 2011

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#557 » by HerSports85 » Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:12 pm

Smh at least do the lottery on time
BAF: Chicago Bulls
23-24 In-season tournament Champs
User avatar
moocow007
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 98,252
And1: 25,712
Joined: Jan 07, 2002
Location: In front of the computer, where else?
       

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#558 » by moocow007 » Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:27 pm

HEZI wrote:Precious looks raw as hell and not very intriguing as a prospect to be honest. Looks very much like Jonathan Motley.

They guy we want later in the draft is Mamadi Diakite. If hes there with the Hornets pick take him and run


Actually was going to talk about Diakite. Yeah if we are going to be looking at someone late in the draft Diakite is one of those guys. Intense, competitive, can shoot and handle the ball well for his size, defends, smart kid. They did an interview with people that know him and the one consistent thing is that he does not stop and talking about his killer focus, work ethic and desire to do whatever it takes become a great player. Add that to his length, his defensive tenacity and willingness to do the dirty work, his ability to get up and down the court (rim running) and his ability to shoot from 3 and yeah absolutely he's someone that could do well in the NBA. He is a bit on the thin size but folks are saying that he's actually rather strong and you just gotta love that intensity and motor he plays with.
User avatar
moocow007
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 98,252
And1: 25,712
Joined: Jan 07, 2002
Location: In front of the computer, where else?
       

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#559 » by moocow007 » Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:28 pm

RHODEY wrote:
HEZI wrote:

Get him!

But I want guards with the first 2 picks


Hard no...the hair irritates me. :(


Image

Image

Image
User avatar
Deeeez Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 49,345
And1: 55,337
Joined: Nov 12, 2004

Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#560 » by Deeeez Knicks » Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:58 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Knicksfan1992 wrote:Deni is just ok to me. I actually buy the shot mechanics and I think he'll be a good standstill shooter but I don't see movement shooting ever being a thing for him. Limited handle and first step out of iso IMO which limits his upside as an offensive player. His best bet imo is to be like a 20-30 minute swiss army knife probably off the bench. Positional scarcity moves him higher on the board than what his talent level really is for me. Wouldn't normally pick him top 5 but in this class I guess I could see it.


Yeah, I agree with that take. I don't see him as a big scorer so think that will limit his ceiling. I think he can be a good role player that you like to have on your team. But even in this draft, not sure I would take him top 10 for the Knicks. He reminds me a little of Frank as a prospect, in that he is gonna need time and be developed, and he may end up just being a role player but comes with a lot of risk. If he goes to the right team he could be valuable. Think for the Knicks that could end badly, and there might be better picks for us.


I think it depends on which version of Deni we’re getting. Is it the FIBA version of a playmaking wing or the Maccabi Fox version
Who’s an catch and shoot wing and off ball cutter? Obviously the former is much more valuable than the later.

IIRC there was a part of the euro league season that his team was pretty banged up and he ended playing back up point for Maccabi. I’d love to see some footage of those games to see how he handled it. That be huge deal, if he was successful running point on one of the best teams in the second best league in the world.


He does look like a good passer, but he needs to work on his handles. I don't know if I see him becoming a big facilitor, so think odds are he is more of the latter. But maybe he can be like a Diaw/Ingles type, with defense and a little of everything. Again, that could be a good player. Just see him more of a role player, where I would prefer others.
Mavs
C: Horford | Goga | Paul Reed |
PF: Lauri Markkanen | Randle | Tucker
SF: Trey Murphy | Trent | Anderson | Simone
SG: Vassell | Trent | Livingston
PG: Spida | Mann | Deuce

Return to New York Knicks