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Post#541 » by Chanel Bomber » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:51 am

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**** it I’m in!!!!!!!!!

The good news about it is that neither one of them shoots 3s so we can officially bring the 70s back.

That's when we won two chips after all.

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Giannis shot 78% in the restricted area in the playoffs.

Randle and RJ shot 48% and 58.3% respectively :lol:

The Knicks need elite 3-point shooting to make up for the fact that our rim attackers can't finish at the rim. We're wildly inefficient from 2. We can't afford to shoot 3s at a low percentage, especially when you consider that Thibs teams attempt few to begin with.

I see folks aren't nearly ready for the disappointment that'll be next season :lol:

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Post#542 » by Infinitimind » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:36 am

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That significant interest better not involve a significant pay raise.

Sorry Reggie, love ya but love cap space more.

4/40


We can no pay him, we need to take care of Robinson and randle is due soon. Again we gave him big minutes that could have gone development of knoxs. Instead we wasted it on bulluck and burks who probably won’t be back. Just great
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Post#543 » by Chanel Bomber » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:42 am

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6th man is a spot up 3D guy that has 0 playmaking ability and avgs 10ppg?



ok

and btw he started


and btw

our starting PG SG SF avged

10
17
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LOL. nothing to be mad about

No idea whats wrong with 17 a game but ok.

Regardless a sf/ sg that can shoot, play defense and doesnt need the ball in his hands to be effective is quite valuable. 10 million is a bargain for such a player. Cant swing for the stars on every signing the knicks make


I'm not giving a 4 year deal to a 3D SF that should be replaceable with a MLE or rookie.

Reggie doesnt playmake and isn't a difference maker on a team that needs scoring and playmaking from the PG SG SF position. Reggie's production is worth way more to a team that already has #1 and #2 pieces where he isn't asked to do anything but camp a 3pt line. His production to Boston or PHI is way way way more valuable than NYK.

this team has no primary ball handler that can create, run the pnr, or playmake

so, yeah, signing Reggie is actually stupid from NYK perspective because it locks up a roster spot and closes off more options for actually getting a pg sg or sf that can be a #1 for the team.




LMFAO Reggie Bullock a 6th man. Ok buddy. 3pt line camper that occasionally runs a 2man game with Randle is our 6th man. hahahahahaha sorry that's just sad/

Bullock's scoring efficiency was vital for the Knicks last year. With Payton, RJ and Randle all being inefficient scorers, and with a rim-running starting center clogging the lane, we needed his high-TS 3-point shooting to be competitive and make the playoffs. We'd have been a lottery team with just an average shooter in his spot. His impact last year was underrated.

His production in his role is not easily replaceable, let alone by a rookie. I agree that the Knicks have other priorities, but 10$ million for a knockdown 3-point shooter who doesn't need the ball and who can be switchable on defense is good value.
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Post#544 » by prophet_of_rage » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:44 am

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Golden state like Wiggins they won’t trade him to save on luxury cap. I agree bagels would be nice but with Obi and randle here he won’t play.

Obi playing 10 mins a game is not development
Obi just sitting at the three point line is not development
I still think quickly minutes was impacted by rose but yes he played
Rj yes

I still knox should got 25 mins a game.he was shooting light out this year. Miss opportunity


The team was winning. Knox sucks. It's more than shooting the corner 3 well. You want Obi to do more and applaud Knox for it being the one thing he's good at. I want Randle to get a few more minutes of rest and Obi to play 15-20 mpg as back up. Earn the minutes.


Knox sucks based on what? The 10 mins he got last year or the 10 games he played this year. The kid was one youngest players drafted, won rookie of the month and averaged 13 a game and just got worst. I’m sure the Knicks had no part in that. Like they had no part in the success on Frank and smith jr

You need to play to get better. Facts
Did Dennis Smith Jr. play in Dallas? Did he play in Fetroit? He sucked pre, during and post Knicks.

Knox got too much time as a rookie, got that time cut as a sophomore and then didn't meet the effort standards of Thibs.

Knox isn't good based on his nba performance. Even at Kentucky he wasn't a world beater.

The Knicks gambled on his potential and lost.

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Post#545 » by prophet_of_rage » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:50 am

Oscirus wrote:4/40 for someone who fits well into thibs system as a starter or a sixth man is actually a good price
Nothing is good. Don't you know we're Knicks fans. Everything sucks unless a superstar comes.

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Post#546 » by Infinitimind » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:57 am

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The team was winning. Knox sucks. It's more than shooting the corner 3 well. You want Obi to do more and applaud Knox for it being the one thing he's good at. I want Randle to get a few more minutes of rest and Obi to play 15-20 mpg as back up. Earn the minutes.


Knox sucks based on what? The 10 mins he got last year or the 10 games he played this year. The kid was one youngest players drafted, won rookie of the month and averaged 13 a game and just got worst. I’m sure the Knicks had no part in that. Like they had no part in the success on Frank and smith jr

You need to play to get better. Facts
Did Dennis Smith Jr. play in Dallas? Did he play in Fetroit? He sucked pre, during and post Knicks.

Knox got too much time as a rookie, got that time cut as a sophomore and then didn't meet the effort standards of Thibs.

Knox isn't good based on his nba performance. Even at Kentucky he wasn't a world beater.

The Knicks gambled on his potential and lost.

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Yes most young 18 old players are not good right away . That why good team spend a fortune on player development staff. Good teams know it’s a process and they don’t give up on a player after rookie year.

Mills/ fiz tried to save his job , signed Morris and push knox to side. Why I’m the only one that sees it beyond me. You side knox into bullock role this year he averaging 16 to 18 points this year. Or we don’t know can hit open 3?

Yes his defense is not great, but it’s a process
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Post#547 » by BugginOut » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:25 am

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Oscirus wrote:No idea whats wrong with 17 a game but ok.

Regardless a sf/ sg that can shoot, play defense and doesnt need the ball in his hands to be effective is quite valuable. 10 million is a bargain for such a player. Cant swing for the stars on every signing the knicks make


I'm not giving a 4 year deal to a 3D SF that should be replaceable with a MLE or rookie.

Reggie doesnt playmake and isn't a difference maker on a team that needs scoring and playmaking from the PG SG SF position. Reggie's production is worth way more to a team that already has #1 and #2 pieces where he isn't asked to do anything but camp a 3pt line. His production to Boston or PHI is way way way more valuable than NYK.

this team has no primary ball handler that can create, run the pnr, or playmake

so, yeah, signing Reggie is actually stupid from NYK perspective because it locks up a roster spot and closes off more options for actually getting a pg sg or sf that can be a #1 for the team.




LMFAO Reggie Bullock a 6th man. Ok buddy. 3pt line camper that occasionally runs a 2man game with Randle is our 6th man. hahahahahaha sorry that's just sad/

Bullock's scoring efficiency was vital for the Knicks last year. With Payton, RJ and Randle all being inefficient scorers, and with a rim-running starting center clogging the lane, we needed his high-TS 3-point shooting to be competitive and make the playoffs. We'd have been a lottery team with just an average shooter in his spot. His impact last year was underrated.

His production in his role is not easily replaceable, let alone by a rookie. I agree that the Knicks have other priorities, but 10$ million for a knockdown 3-point shooter who doesn't need the ball and who can be switchable on defense is good value.

People underrate Reggie even though he was arguably our most valuable player the 2nd half of the season.

These are Reggie’s stats after the allstar break
13.2PPG/ 43% 3P% /7.5 3PA /3.2 3PM

These are Duncan Robinson’s stats for the season.
13.1PPG/ 41% 3P% /8.5 3PA /3.5 3PM

Ones about to get paid 20 million a year and the other only wants 10 million. This is not even factoring in that Bullock was our best perimeter defender and he did all this sharing the court with Elfrid Payton at PG.

Bullock is very underrated by Knicks fans and the public in general and that might allow us to get a steal of a deal. Imo Bullock is our most important free agent signing.
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Post#548 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:27 am

aggo wrote:
Oscirus wrote:
aggo wrote:
6th man is a spot up 3D guy that has 0 playmaking ability and avgs 10ppg?



ok

and btw he started


and btw

our starting PG SG SF avged

10
17
10 ppg


LOL. nothing to be mad about

No idea whats wrong with 17 a game but ok.

Regardless a sf/ sg that can shoot, play defense and doesnt need the ball in his hands to be effective is quite valuable. 10 million is a bargain for such a player. Cant swing for the stars on every signing the knicks make


I'm not giving a 4 year deal to a 3D SF that should be replaceable with a MLE or rookie.

Reggie doesnt playmake and isn't a difference maker on a team that needs scoring and playmaking from the PG SG SF position. Reggie's production is worth way more to a team that already has #1 and #2 pieces where he isn't asked to do anything but camp a 3pt line. His production to Boston or PHI is way way way more valuable than NYK.

this team has no primary ball handler that can create, run the pnr, or playmake

so, yeah, signing Reggie is actually stupid from NYK perspective because it locks up a roster spot and closes off more options for actually getting a pg sg or sf that can be a #1 for the team.




LMFAO Reggie Bullock a 6th man. Ok buddy. 3pt line camper that occasionally runs a 2man game with Randle is our 6th man. hahahahahaha sorry that's just sad/


For Reggie and RJ to start together, the following things would need to happen:

The Knicks get a really elite PG (not happening)
The Knicks get a really really good scoring PG - chance of it happening. Knicks still not a contender
Reggie starts to be able to play some of the the ways RJ plays while maintaining current 3 pt efficiency - not happening
RJ becomes elite 3 level scorer - not happening next year; might happen in another 2 full seasons

It's not that Reggie isn't a good player, of a certain kind. It's not that RJ isn't good or improving. It's that it's not really quite enough shot creation/dribble penetration from the wings and really, not enough scoring, period.

I don't mind Bullocks coming back and is in the rotation, off the bench.

Anyway, It's fun for me to joke around and say "hit the bricks" or "NO WAY" for certain players, either on the Knicks or the Knicks are thinking of getting, but it comes down to just a few things:

Is their price right in that not overpaid, contract not too long, doesn't impact future moves, doesn't impact 2022 FA/trades
How do they fit with the other moves the Knicks make?

And, can't really know the answers until the moves start happening and really, until done.
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Post#549 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:43 am

Reggie is a good player but not without flaws.

Thibs got everyone to play tough defense and with 100% maniacal effort and Reggie bought into that.

I just want the Knicks to get better so that they don't need to play at 110% effort and RJ and Randle playing 42 minutes every night, just to have a chance to win regular season games and then also get their asses handed to them in the playoffs.

And I don't think adding just one scoring PG instead of Elf magically makes it all better.

Again, not "sh*tting on Reggie". I'd take him back on the right price/right role.

Knicks need another wing who can create his own shot in a fairly good way.
The Knicks need a PG who can score for himself and create for others. In those 28 mpg Rose can't/shouldn't play.
It'll probably take more than one season for both of those to happen.
It's ok for the Knicks to get anyone, as long as that doesn't interfere with the ability to add either that PG or that wing within the timeframe of what - no later than after the draft/FA this time next year?
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Post#550 » by KnixinSix » Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:38 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Reggie is a good player but not without flaws.

Thibs got everyone to play tough defense and with 100% maniacal effort and Reggie bought into that.

I just want the Knicks to get better so that they don't need to play at 110% effort and RJ and Randle playing 42 minutes every night, just to have a chance to win regular season games and then also get their asses handed to them in the playoffs.

And I don't think adding just one scoring PG instead of Elf magically makes it all better.

Again, not "sh*tting on Reggie". I'd take him back on the right price/right role.

Knicks need another wing who can create his own shot in a fairly good way.
The Knicks need a PG who can score for himself and create for others. In those 28 mpg Rose can't/shouldn't play.
It'll probably take more than one season for both of those to happen.
It's ok for the Knicks to get anyone, as long as that doesn't interfere with the ability to add either that PG or that wing within the timeframe of what - no later than after the draft/FA this time next year?


Reggie to me misses too many 3s considering thats the majority of his game on O and doesn't make many clutch shots. Personally he has some value but I would like to upgrade of possible.

I take Oubre over him easily.
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Post#551 » by Kampuchea » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:22 pm

Oubre at his price vs Reggie at 10? Reggie all day.

I don’t want Oubre anywhere near the team though, not a fan.
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Post#552 » by F N 11 » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:29 pm

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Yeah idk people crying about. His defense is good and shooting got better late.


If shot is not falling he has nothing else to contribute.
4/40M seems over pay.
2/16M would be the max.

I dont think 10 million for a glue guy who brings shooting, defense, and leadership is not overpay. Thats cheap for back in the day and an easy contract to move.
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Post#553 » by Deeeez Knicks » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:41 pm

Kampuchea wrote:Oubre at his price vs Reggie at 10? Reggie all day.

I don’t want Oubre anywhere near the team though, not a fan.


Yea, I would take Reggie at $10 vs Oubre at $18-$20 or whatever he wants.

Pass on Oubre too.
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Post#554 » by Reign23 » Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:53 pm

what did I miss that when I am here (about every other day) nearly all posts are about kelly **** oubre? I can't name a worse fit in his price range tbh.
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Post#555 » by seren » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:05 pm

All those great looking contracts from last summer will be upgraded this summer. We better hope that we can fit at least one impact free agent to the mix. Otherwise, this group is coming back long term - for better or worse.
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Post#556 » by DaGawd » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:17 pm

How’s next years draft looking. Just out of curiosity
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Post#557 » by Jeff Van Gully » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:32 pm

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I'm not giving a 4 year deal to a 3D SF that should be replaceable with a MLE or rookie.

Reggie doesnt playmake and isn't a difference maker on a team that needs scoring and playmaking from the PG SG SF position. Reggie's production is worth way more to a team that already has #1 and #2 pieces where he isn't asked to do anything but camp a 3pt line. His production to Boston or PHI is way way way more valuable than NYK.

this team has no primary ball handler that can create, run the pnr, or playmake

so, yeah, signing Reggie is actually stupid from NYK perspective because it locks up a roster spot and closes off more options for actually getting a pg sg or sf that can be a #1 for the team.




LMFAO Reggie Bullock a 6th man. Ok buddy. 3pt line camper that occasionally runs a 2man game with Randle is our 6th man. hahahahahaha sorry that's just sad/

Bullock's scoring efficiency was vital for the Knicks last year. With Payton, RJ and Randle all being inefficient scorers, and with a rim-running starting center clogging the lane, we needed his high-TS 3-point shooting to be competitive and make the playoffs. We'd have been a lottery team with just an average shooter in his spot. His impact last year was underrated.

His production in his role is not easily replaceable, let alone by a rookie. I agree that the Knicks have other priorities, but 10$ million for a knockdown 3-point shooter who doesn't need the ball and who can be switchable on defense is good value.

People underrate Reggie even though he was arguably our most valuable player the 2nd half of the season.

These are Reggie’s stats after the allstar break
13.2PPG/ 43% 3P% /7.5 3PA /3.2 3PM

These are Duncan Robinson’s stats for the season.
13.1PPG/ 41% 3P% /8.5 3PA /3.5 3PM

Ones about to get paid 20 million a year and the other only wants 10 million. This is not even factoring in that Bullock was our best perimeter defender and he did all this sharing the court with Elfrid Payton at PG.

Bullock is very underrated by Knicks fans and the public in general and that might allow us to get a steal of a deal. Imo Bullock is our most important free agent signing.


i don't know about most important, but he is vital. and his price tag should be doable, especially since we can go over the cap to retain him. his cap hold is around his previous salary ($5m-ish). i'd bet on him coming back. wouldn't be shocked if he's back in the starting lineup with RJ at the wing while we splurge on a lead guard. he's also great just as part of the rotation off the bench if there's even more talent in the starting backcourt.

if we sign someone like lowry, we should finally have the appropriate function at that position (barring an understandable age 35+ regression).

i would love to add great talent in FA and make some of these starters high level reserves.
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Post#558 » by DOT » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:33 pm

I just don't know about giving a 3-D guy long term money, especially when he's not really a great defender (Reggie was a really good team defender, but not the type you could just stick on a star wing every night) and whose 3pt shooting kind of fluctuates. Last 5 years he's shot 38, 45, 38, 33, and 41 percent, and while that's still good for just under 40% overall, you need consistency

I do want him back, but I don't want to give him a lot of money, and I don't want to do it for more than 2, maybe 3 years.

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Post#559 » by F N 11 » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:39 pm

DaGawd wrote:How’s next years draft looking. Just out of curiosity

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Post#560 » by god shammgod » Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:42 pm

K-DOT wrote:I just don't know about giving a 3-D guy long term money, especially when he's not really a great defender (Reggie was a really good team defender, but not the type you could just stick on a star wing every night) and whose 3pt shooting kind of fluctuates. Last 5 years he's shot 38, 45, 38, 33, and 41 percent, and while that's still good for just under 40% overall, you need consistency

I do want him back, but I don't want to give him a lot of money, and I don't want to do it for more than 2, maybe 3 years.

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we'll miss him if we don't replace him but so what ? we don't have enough actual talent to start paying the pieces around them.

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