College/Draft thread. Knicks Currently have Picks 12 and 45

[DOT]

Dread it

Run from it

Destiny arrives all the same

With the 9th pick in the 2022 NBA Draft, the New York Knicks select:

Spoiler:

Keegan Murray, PF, Iowa

yeah. i refuse to participate in this thread until i see where that pick is. i'll wait until then, and if we happen to move up then i'll cram for the test.

I mean, even if we move up, we'll just take Banchero and make him the 10 mpg backup behind Randle, send Obi to the Shadow Realm or something.

[Knicksfan1992]

If we're going the isolation scorer route and thinking about Davis, then I think the Knicks are better off putting some chips on the table and nabbing Banchero. He's the total package offensively IMO. And at 6'10'' his fluidity with the ball in his hands is so rare. He's also flashed some nice playmaking chops. He's not the most explosive guy around the rim but still finds a way to finish really well (around 65% at the rim). I'm not worried about the 3 point jumper long term. That jumper is smooth and repeatable. He really reminds me a lot of Tatum coming out of Duke. Similar frames, similar question marks but you just gotta trust the kid, the eye test with him, and throw out the nit picks IMO.

Think he has the highest realistic ceiling in the draft. I get the Chet hype but I'm not 100% there with the frame and the playstyle yet translating to the NBA. Has some Poku vibes to me (not that low obviously because he's currently the worst player getting minutes in the league IMO) where the thought of Chet doing things off the dribble and initiating sets is based more in theory than in any real actuality IMO. But Chet's advanced stats are really good which makes me believe that there is definitely a great player in there.

Anyway, main point being I think Paolo has Tatum-esque potential and i'm more willing to bet on that becoming reality than any of the other best-case scenarios for the top prospects this year.

[DaGawd]

Jesus Banchero was awful tonight

[whocares1]

Dread it

Run from it

Destiny arrives all the same

With the 9th pick in the 2022 NBA Draft, the New York Knicks select:

Spoiler:

Keegan Murray, PF, Iowa

yeah. i refuse to participate in this thread until i see where that pick is. i'll wait until then, and if we happen to move up then i'll cram for the test.

This is the only logical approach lol. No reason to get hyped for a kid that won’t even be there when the Knicks pick unless it’s purely for the love of the sport/boredom.

[KnicksGadfly]

Dread it

Run from it

Destiny arrives all the same

With the 9th pick in the 2022 NBA Draft, the New York Knicks select:

Spoiler:

Keegan Murray, PF, Iowa

yeah. i refuse to participate in this thread until i see where that pick is. i'll wait until then, and if we happen to move up then i'll cram for the test.

This is the only logical approach lol. No reason to get hyped for a kid that won’t even be there when the Knicks pick unless it’s purely for the love of the sport/boredom.

Nah, this year, I'm going to wait til the FO starts leaking who they want to draft and then I'll start getting hype.

[bleedblue3303]

Was curious. If we don't get a top pick and could trade RJ for Ivey would you do it?

[2010]

Was curious. If we don't get a top pick and could trade RJ for Ivey would you do it?

No.

[Spree2Houston]

I only see 3 guys with actual star potential - Jabari Smith, Jaden Ivey, and Shaedon Sharpe.

The rest seem like high-end starter/role players to me

[SkyMason21]

Kid has the juice for sure. I just wonder how translatable the shot really is and if he's a good enough passer to be a lead guard.

I wouldn't consider Donovan Mitchell a great passer but his scoring gravity lets him fall into 5 assists a game.

I think Ivey has that similar type of scoring gravity to put enough pressure on the defense he will just fall into 5+ assists.

Might be ideal to have another guard next to him that can shoot and playmake as well...but I think he will be a guy you give the ball to late and let him work like Spida.

I like Ivey don't get me wrong but I think there are real concerns there. Not everyone transforms their game like Spida did when he left college.

I love his explosion, ability to finish and ability to pass out of drives, but that part to me isn't elite and that's what worries me. That's the difference between him and Ja coming out for example. Ja had similar shot concerns coming out, but everyone knew he was an ELITE passer. Ivey is a couple steps below that IMO. I also wonder how much the off the dribble jumper comes along given his mechanics. For Ja, it didn't matter because he's so overwhelmingly athletic that he can get to the floater or attack the rim at will. Also Memphis has done a good job mitigating his pull up shooting concerns by surrounding him with pull up threats on the wing and a stretch big in JJJ...I worry if Ivey doesn't have the right infrastructure and he's not overly athletic enough he could struggle to score or playmake efficiently at the next level.

That said I think he's as good of a bet as anyone in this draft to be a stud and I agree with 2010 that he's a GREAT fit for where the Knicks are at in their team build. I just think his floor is a little lower than the other top guys to me.

Agreed. Ivey is still my favorite fit for the Knicks but if we end up with him I think a lot of people are gonna hurt themselves trying to make him up to be something he's not currently. He not a good enough passer for a full time point guard and hasn't shown the mentality for that. It's not that he's a bad decision maker, I think he's been great at picking his spots to drive and passing when the opportunity isn't there, he's just clearly not a point guard yet. I think he has plenty of great qualities to start with, but I'd be unsurprised if he struggles a bit early with his mixed bag of a midrange game and limited 3pt shooting (especially since it seems like the further out he shoots from the worse his form looks).

[WargamesX]

It’s crazy to me that the Knicks rather fight to sneak into the playin instead of add talent to a team that still needs it. It stinks of Dolan’s pig faced demands.

The only thing going in their favor is they have such a tough slate of games coming up they might not be able to mess this up.

[SkyMason21]

It’s crazy to me that the Knicks rather fight to sneak into the playin instead of add talent to a team that still needs it. It stinks of Dolan’s pig faced demands.

The only thing going in their favor is they have such a tough slate of games coming up they might not be able to mess this up.

It will work itself out. For this team to make the play-in with the schedule we have it will take our best players putting it together and finding ways to be effective despite our very obvious PG and wing productivity issues, or some combination of duece, IQ, and Cam fixing them. And would that really be upsetting?

Add in the big pile of not clear upgrades that is this draft class, it makes it hard for me to care. I don't really love any of the PG talent more than I did Duece for us heading into last years draft, and we still got Rokas possibly coming in soon (and somehow he's now arguably as well regarded as any pg prospect in this draft). I'll love it if we can get high enough for Ivey, and I'll probably find a way to be equally excited for w.e. guy we'd get at 12 after getting bounced in the play-in. Unless its Patrick Baldwin .

[WargamesX]

It’s crazy to me that the Knicks rather fight to sneak into the playin instead of add talent to a team that still needs it. It stinks of Dolan’s pig faced demands.

The only thing going in their favor is they have such a tough slate of games coming up they might not be able to mess this up.

It will work itself out. For this team to make the play-in with the schedule we have it will take our best players putting it together and finding ways to be effective despite our very obvious PG and wing productivity issues, or some combination of duece, IQ, and Cam fixing them. And would that really be upsetting?

Add in the big pile of not clear upgrades that is this draft class, it makes it hard for me to care. I don't really love any of the PG talent more than I did Duece for us heading into last years draft, and we still got Rokas possibly coming in soon (and somehow he's now arguably as well regarded as any pg prospect in this draft). I'll love it if we can get high enough for Ivey, and I'll probably find a way to be equally excited for w.e. guy we'd get at 12 after getting bounced in the play-in. Unless its Patrick Baldwin .

Yes, the team needs to draft a PG and I do think guys like Ivey, Dyson, Sharpe, and TyTy are better than what we have on the roster now in the backcourt.. might be gone by pick 10. Also, players like Ivey or Sharpe might drop as well.

For a team that not only needs talents. but has clear holes to fix in its roster and no cap room. With two more weak FA ahead of them as well.

The idea that they will pull off a temporary miracle to get into either a one-game elimination series they could easily lose, or a first round playoff series they will almost lose is abhorrent.

Only 3-4 wins can be the difference between drafting 9th and like 3rd. for example, in 2018 the Knicks won 29 games and took Kevin Knox. In that same draft, the hawks/Mavs won 24 games and took Trae Young and Doncic, respectively.

[TheGreenArrow]

Read on Twitter

Chet Holmgren Folksssss CHET HOLMGREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DowNY]

Read on Twitter

Chet Holmgren Folksssss CHET HOLMGREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don’t worry. We won’t be anywhere near his draft range.

[The Lamma]

This is just for reference because we know Thibs is going balls mashed to the wall for wins.

But it just so happens the difference between the 8 and 9 spot (where we currently are) in the lottery represents the biggest jump up in probability % at both a top 4 or #1. 12% increase at a top 4 pick

[WargamesX]

This is just for reference because we know Thibs is going balls mashed to the wall for wins.

But it just so happens the difference between the 8 and 9 spot (where we currently are) in the lottery represents the biggest jump up in probability % at both a top 4 or #1. 12% increase at a top 4 pick

It’s a case of lowered expectations. All Thibs has to do is get this team to either 10 seed or win around 10 games and I expect them to bring him back with some nonsense excuse about he was a former COY and “deserves” another chance. When in reality is the FO won’t want to admit it messed up hiring him, and Dolan just needs a decent excuse to avoid paying Thibs to not be the HC. Meanwhile there is a good chances the Knicks will miss out on all the really interesting PG options this draft and Thibs won’t want to play them anyway.

It’s such a series of Knicks moves it’s writes itself

[Deeeez Knicks]

Moving on up in the lotto standings. Let's get in the top 8 at least.

[bleedblue3303]

We could easily catch up to Sacramento maybe Indiana. But everything I'm reading is the goal of the team is to fight for the play in. So other teams that are smart enough to tank will surpass us in the tank standings. We do the same thing every year. I really give up.

[BowlRips]

We could easily catch up to Sacramento maybe Indiana. But everything I'm reading is the goal of the team is to fight for the play in. So other teams that are smart enough to tank will surpass us in the tank standings. We do the same thing every year. I really give up.

As much as Thibs is opposed to tanking.. I don't think he has much of a choice
Next 9 games..

Fri, Feb 25 vs Miami
Sun, Feb 27 vs Philadelphia
Wed, Mar 2 @ Philadelphia
Fri, Mar 4 @ Phoenix
Sun, Mar 6 @ LA Clippers
Mon, Mar 7 @ Sacramento
Wed, Mar 9 @ Dallas
Fri, Mar 11 @ Memphis
Sun, Mar 13 @ Brooklyn

They would be lucky to win 2 of them...
2-7 takes them to 27-41 with 14 games to go and prob 6 games out of the 10th seed.

[WargamesX]

We could easily catch up to Sacramento maybe Indiana. But everything I'm reading is the goal of the team is to fight for the play in. So other teams that are smart enough to tank will surpass us in the tank standings. We do the same thing every year. I really give up.

As much as Thibs is opposed to tanking.. I don't think he has much of a choice
Next 9 games..

Fri, Feb 25 vs Miami
Sun, Feb 27 vs Philadelphia
Wed, Mar 2 @ Philadelphia
Fri, Mar 4 @ Phoenix
Sun, Mar 6 @ LA Clippers
Mon, Mar 7 @ Sacramento
Wed, Mar 9 @ Dallas
Fri, Mar 11 @ Memphis
Sun, Mar 13 @ Brooklyn

They would be lucky to win 2 of them...
2-7 takes them to 27-41 with 14 games to go and prob 6 games out of the 10th seed.

With Rose out they might not win 1