B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:As an aside. Let's pretend the Knicks really want Brunson for a few good reasons and all the usual Knick/CAA/Nepotism reasons, and combine getting Brunson Jr paid for Brunson Sr, they are determined to do it. They'll pay the 25 million. The amount that causes Dallas to say "ok, maybe not". And then the Knicks put together a S&T that Dallas finds agreeable.
We know it's going to be multiple players because of the implications of teams over the cap sending guys out, taking players in.
Making an assumption Dallas wouldn't mind getting rid of Bertrans for some next year and forward roster flexibility.
Let's add the Dallas interest in Mitch for a bit.
In effect the CORE of the trade is Brunson for Mitch, where Bertrans is added to make it work, Dallas gets some relief and out of a crappy contract which the cost of moving KP and Knicks put in resigned Mitch, and some combination of Burks/Noel/Walker - I realize the trade isn't exact.
Getting to the point(s)
I'd think Dallas would want their 2023 pick back. In and of itself it's not super valuable to the Knicks. It'll probably land around 25. But it gives the Knicks the ability to trade consecutive year picks, which is strategically useful. On the other hand, it has value in this way for Dallas, as they'd have a pick back and I don't believe they possess a 1st rounder of someone else's in 2023.
Still feel like Dallas would ask for that pick. Or maybe Derrick Rose instead of useless guys like Noel or Walker.
And at that point, the 25 million per, Mitch, the Dallas pick or Rose is probably too high. If you didn't think it was already too high.
Are you really balking at the extra $5m/year in salary? The deal was almost always including the Dallas 2023 pick - that's the main asset Dallas want from the Knicks.
I'm making it clear that he'll cost 25 million, if people weren't aware.
You,me have brought it up often enough that the trade (pretending it were to happen) would have to expand to make the money work, would almost certainly include taking on bad salary like Bertrans, just to get it to work, but also so Dallas gets something that helps the team, we'll have to send them a semi useful player or two, and really the main point was about the 2023 Dallas pick.
The point about the pick, which again, might have gotten buried in people's minds, isn't the value of what the pick might bring, to either team - the pick will be mid 20's - not a shock, that's always been the guess - early or later depending on how Dallas does, but that it's strategically important to the Knicks in their ability to add picks together of consecutive years and what not. And would give that ability back to Dallas.
So just kind of highlighting that getting Brunson for the Knicks, would have a cost higher than just the money, the players in (cap hit of Bertrans), players out (for those might like Mitch or Burks? or Grimes? ) but also a hit in strategic ability to maneuver in other bigger theoretical trades for a bigger player. This assumes that Leon/WWW here for big game hunting.
Not part of my original point, but this highlights the collective incompetence of the FO, since if they liked Brunson, they should have left cap space open for him. For all I know, Aller was shouting this at the conference table, but Perry and Thibs won out with their plan to "run it back with all the vets" with Perry making the case that "they'll be easy to trade"
Or, like, they could have waited to resign Randle. Again, I get that he gets less per year and maybe there was some larger cap/tax apron thing they were looking at, but it killed their ability to hunt what seems to have been a known target. Maybe they thought they could easily make a deal with Cuban, or that shedding the players would be easy. That's either hubris or stupidity or both.
