PG: They scammed us out of a win

[gavran]

holy overreaction in here

It would be the exact opposite if RJ had a great first game. All the RJ stans would be in here talking about how RJ should be considered for the all-star game this year. Would be the same overreaction from the other side.

So it would have been the opposite of overreaction, or overreaction from the other side? Your first and last sentences quite contradict each other.

[FreeSpiritNY]

Everyone needs to chill.

What you seen last night is not what you’re going to see all year.


Your not going to see rj shoot around 33%

Your not going to see obi play that bad

Quickly is a on and off type player.

You won’t see rose look that rusty mid year

What’s promising is seeing Isaiah look like a good player and can playing lights out.

We aren’t a 1-4 see but we will be in the playoff hunt.

Founeir needs to go and randle should sit the end of the 4th every game his fouls and decision making are horrible. He holds the ball too long and always does something to hurt the knicks in the end.

Also that was foul when Jan blocked brunson. But how nice is it to see that we have a point guard and good center depth.


Rose will be fine making around point guard depth also.

This team will be a 5-8 team this year.


Miami lost last night to a no Lavine bulls. Take a chill pill. Nets got blown out my NOP

We fought against a 1-3 seed.

Be positive my fellow knick fans

[blueNorange]

bottom line rj has to play better, no excuses -- same for robinson

luckily for rj he was mostly missing open shots he usually makes.

this team has no identity or offense.

[Reign23]

god you trolls annoy me. I'll be back in the GT tomorrow. hope we smack the Pistons. have a good day everybody.

[whocares1]

was calling for cam on ja all night in the 4th, it was the easiest adjustment to at least attempt to make without disrupting the crunch-time lineup. maybe it works, maybe it doesn't but we really needed to at least try and throw him a different look

Cam is long but he would’ve got cooked by Ja. And who knows if Cam would’ve produced as much offensively if he was focused on stopping Ja. Knicks invested in a weak defensive point guard and that’s the trials and tribulations of that decision.

but rj on ja was clearly not working, we should have tried something different

cam didn't really have a heavy workload on offense either; he basically touched the ball 15 times to get up his 15 shots. others like brunson and randle were on the ball much more setting up shots, not only for themself but for others as well. even hart had a bigger offensive workload than reddish

I’m not saying he was playmaking but he was running breaks and taking tough shots. Made the game timing shot, who knows what happens if he’s on Ja as well. Point is that guarding Ja is a team assignment. Knicks won this game if Brunson hits either of those wide open threes. It was a winnable game regardless.

[HarthorneWingo]

Relax there’s only 81 games left.

[TerrenceClarke]

Everyone needs to chill.

What you seen last night is not what you’re going to see all year.


Your not going to see rj shoot around 33%

Your not going to see obi play that bad

Quickly is a on and off type player.

You won’t see rose look that rusty mid year

What’s promising is seeing Isaiah look like a good player and can playing lights out.

We aren’t a 1-4 see but we will be in the playoff hunt.

Founeir needs to go and randle should sit the end of the 4th every game his fouls and decision making are horrible. He holds the ball too long and always does something to hurt the knicks in the end.

Also that was foul when Jan blocked brunson. But how nice is it to see that we have a point guard and good center depth.


Rose will be fine making around point guard depth also.

This team will be a 5-8 team this year.


Miami lost last night to a no Lavine bulls. Take a chill pill. Nets got blown out my NOP

We fought against a 1-3 seed.

Be positive my fellow knick fans

[Guano]

guan0 not showing his face since fourni3r missed the 3

Your boy, me, actually ended up having to work at work. Had to shut down my illegal stream on the company computer and do work. HR will be hearing about this.

[Guano]

What page does Chanel start posting? I wanna skip to the good part.

[Guano]

He shouldn't of been closing. Thibs is a moron. He shouldn't of played 40+ minutes. Thibs is a moron.

They both had 5 fouls yet Thibs acted like Mitch fouled out. Thibs is once again a moron.

Zero resistance in the paint everytime Mitch came out. Maybe don't put RJ on one of the best, quickest, shiftiest points in the league and your defensive anchor won't pick up 5 fouls since the refs love calling bs for Morant.

He had to play 40 because Mitch couldn't stay on the court and was picking up a foul every 2 minutes, he was also -7 in the short time he was on the floor. He was just bad last night.

Hartenstein played well and gives us a different dimension, plus he made a clutch freethrow. This is about sham hating on the honorable brother Isaiah and now ducking the charges to revel in our pain, even though he too is in pain.

you rj fans can't spin this one. you bet the house on evan turner jr and now you're living in your mom's back room where your grandma is hooked up to the respirator.

It's post like this that make being a Knicks fan... I was going to say worth it but that's too much - so tolerable.

[Guano]

Cam is such a mercurial talent, it's maddening.

He looks like an elite talent in those game highlights. The length, the athleticism, the moves, the fluidity, he has a lot going for him, but you just can't rely on him.

In terms of pure talent he's up there with Rose and Randle. But the end product is rarely there.

That elite talent is why he should have been placed in the starting line up from day 1 and given ever opportunity to either sink or swim

[Guano]

Cam is such a mercurial talent, it's maddening.

He looks like an elite talent in those game highlights. The length, the athleticism, the moves, the fluidity, he has a lot going for him, but you just can't rely on him.

In terms of pure talent he's up there with Rose and Randle. But the end product is rarely there.

Cam thinks he’s MJ. But he’s not even Alec Burks. He rarely passes the ball and is always looking to force up shots. Sometimes it works out, it did last night. That airball heave in overtime is more who he is than the rest of the game. I’m glad he had a good game and gave people a glimmer of hope but I’m not a buyer unless he can string together several games of that.

Team RJ feeling that heat.


Don't let em breathe Green Arrow step on their necks!

[KnicksNext]

He shouldn't of been closing. Thibs is a moron. He shouldn't of played 40+ minutes. Thibs is a moron.

They both had 5 fouls yet Thibs acted like Mitch fouled out. Thibs is once again a moron.

Zero resistance in the paint everytime Mitch came out. Maybe don't put RJ on one of the best, quickest, shiftiest points in the league and your defensive anchor won't pick up 5 fouls since the refs love calling bs for Morant.

He had to play 40 because Mitch couldn't stay on the court and was picking up a foul every 2 minutes, he was also -7 in the short time he was on the floor. He was just bad last night.

Hartenstein played well and gives us a different dimension, plus he made a clutch freethrow. This is about sham hating on the honorable brother Isaiah and now ducking the charges to revel in our pain, even though he too is in pain.

you rj fans can't spin this one. you bet the house on evan turner jr and now you're living in your mom's back room where your grandma is hooked up to the respirator.

Nailed it.

[KnicksNext]

As a Knicks fan I really hope that...

1.This team tanks the rest of the season.
2.Thibs and Rose are fired.
3. We trade Randle and Fournier during the offseason.

Correct. We should be tanking this year, especially since we passed on an elite talent in Donovan Mitchell. The goal this year should be to put ourselves in the best position to get a top 2 pick. But no, AS USUAL, the Knicks prefer to a midling team that will ultimately draft around 11-14 each year. This really seems like it's their goal. When they gave up their lottery pick so they could land JB, they told every one of us that are trying hard to win this year (without the talent to do it).

Same shtty Knicks as always.

they're just gonna wait for the next all-star level talent to become available to help us make the playoffs and maybe the 2nd round once or twice. that's always been the plan

The issue I have with that is we literally just passed on most likely the best possible scenario for what you described to happen. They passed on DMitch for who, SGA? Booker? Who else? Just about every young star just signed the mega max's and are not going to be available. We had the opportunity and we passed. So depressing, but it is what it is. I highly doubt they'll come close to finding a better opportunity than the one we had with DMitch.

[moocow007]

Why can't we ever find a franchise player (or even a great player) on this roster? So sick of it.

We drop to the 3rd pick and miss out on JA and Zion. We draft Obi instead of Hali. The Knox pick. We miss out on Ivey and then DMitch because apparently the FO thinks we have enough talent to try and win without a DMitch. So sick of it.

We simply just do not have a lot of talent compared to almost all rosters in the NBA, including Orlando, Detroit, Cleveland, TWolves, Raptors, Pelicans,

There are 3 teams in the NBA that could be debatable in terms of which roster has the most talent (or least): Wizards, Indiana and Sac. We potentially could have a comparable or better roster than those 3. But that's not a fact, either. Wiz have Beal, Sac has some young solid pieces, same with Indiana.

Knicks are a bottom of the barrel team in the NBA. So little true talent. RJ is not a star, either is JB (although I think he's a great player to have on your roster). Randle is our best player. That's just a fact.

Because we've consistently had either inexperienced or just simply bad front offices. That's really the most common of all common denominators. If you take a look back 25 years the Knicks best front office executive was who? It's a tossup between David Checketts who was more of a PT Barnum type events and show promotion executive (what he was skilled at and hired for originally) and Ernie Grunfeld who after leaving the Knicks has essentially driven the Washington Bullets/Wizards franchise into the toilet that they're still trying to dig out of. And that was the best lol. And the worst of it all is unlike free agents and draft picks that you simply can't just throw whatever money at and/or aren't available, there is no salary cap, there is no draft lottery that prevents the Knicks (who have more money than anyone else) to spend like crazy on the best front office people. It's right there for them and 25+ years they've still not figured that one out. Instead of guys like Masai Unjiri (who's managed to consistently build top caliber teams even without the best assets or the best team locale) we end up with guys like Phil Jackson (a guy that has a big name but absolutely no idea what he's doing cause he has no experience at it). And it's not just Jackson, it's basically every single one they've hired. The latest? Leon Rose. Big name agent but has absolutely no experience building a team much less a successful one. And who is his 2nd in command? World Wide Wesley who I wouldn't trust to put together a jigsaw puzzle much less advise a novice front office exec on how to do his job.

[KnicksNext]

We need to wait before giving RJ a big extension.

Could be up there with Randle signing/contract. SO damn frustrating that our FO hands out bags prematurely for no reason. What's wrong with making a player prove for one more year?? I just don't get it.

the FO just believes in RJ, it's really that simple. if RJ turns in a really good season this year, the bag becomes the max at the end of the year instead of the potential bargain at 4/130. as an RJ atheist, i wouldn't have locked him up early, but i can certainly see the logic behind it

I can see why as well but I just disagree with that philosophy. 4/130 sure doesn't seem like a bargain to me. He got the bag, so it's all on him now. We have reached the point to where there are no more excuses. He needs to step up and prove he's worth it now. I don't want to hear give him a few more years to get more comfortable, etc.. the time is now for RJ.

[stuporman]

Are people purposefully ignoring that the trade wasn't just for players? Utah wanted players AND picks... Giving up 3 of RJ, Grimes, Obi, IQ is one thing...but to give that up and 3 unprotected first rounders which lasts through the end of the decade plus another protected pick or two just to get the salaries to match because they didn't want any bad money since the Cavs didn't include any.

This is the difference between the actual trade the Knicks would have needed to make to get Mitchell and the dur dur 'and they wouldn't trade RJ for him' or 'untouchable Grimes' BS the low IQ or trolling posters will posture as for years. These useless opinion folk will stop talking about the trade that didn't happen before the Knicks would have had to finish giving up picks if they made it. So stfu already you whiners.

[KnicksGadfly]

Are people purposefully ignoring that the trade wasn't just for players? Utah wanted players AND picks... Giving up 3 of RJ, Grimes, Obi, IQ is one thing...but to give that up and 3 unprotected first rounders which lasts through the end of the decade plus another protected pick or two just to get the salaries to match because they didn't want any bad money since the Cavs didn't include any.

This is the difference between the actual trade the Knicks would have needed to make to get Mitchell and the dur dur 'and they wouldn't trade RJ for him' or 'untouchable Grimes' BS the low IQ or trolling posters will posture as for years. These useless opinion folk will stop talking about the trade that didn't happen before the Knicks would have had to finish giving up picks if they made it. So stfu already you whiners.

Some people are just really desperate for a treadmill after all our losing. Me, I’d be really pissed if we get a treadmill after all that losing. Note that I did not say yanking. Just losing.

[stuporman]

Are people purposefully ignoring that the trade wasn't just for players? Utah wanted players AND picks... Giving up 3 of RJ, Grimes, Obi, IQ is one thing...but to give that up and 3 unprotected first rounders which lasts through the end of the decade plus another protected pick or two just to get the salaries to match because they didn't want any bad money since the Cavs didn't include any.

This is the difference between the actual trade the Knicks would have needed to make to get Mitchell and the dur dur 'and they wouldn't trade RJ for him' or 'untouchable Grimes' BS the low IQ or trolling posters will posture as for years. These useless opinion folk will stop talking about the trade that didn't happen before the Knicks would have had to finish giving up picks if they made it. So stfu already you whiners.

Some people are just really desperate for a treadmill after all our losing. Me, I’d be really pissed if we get a treadmill after all that losing. Note that I did not say yanking. Just losing.

Can a core of Mitchell, Randle and Brunson with no real assets to add or upgrade until 2030 get past the second round in the improving east? Hard to know for sure but in the imagination of short sighted posters they seem to believe that's a dynasty the FO passed up on or something.

[robillionaire]

not sure if this was posted yet but who remembers this moment?

ja to jake lavaria @ 23sec

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the way he says left hand

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