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[Capn'O]

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Speaking of bad faith agitators (Bibi)...

That **** guy.

[HarthorneWingo]

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Speaking of bad faith agitators (Bibi)...

That **** guy.

And he’s cucked Biden the entire time.

[MrDollarBills]

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Speaking of bad faith agitators (Bibi)...

That **** guy.

You see this sh*t????

It's all a GAME to him. Whatever keeps him out of prison is all that matters. Bibi is the same kind of scumbag that Trump is, but worse because he's killed thousands of people. whoops scratch that, Trump is on the hook for a metric ton of Covid deaths.

The Gaddafi treatment would be too good for him. He needs the Mussolini special. Upside down in the city square. Murdering f*ck

[MrDollarBills]

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Speaking of bad faith agitators (Bibi)...

That **** guy.

And he’s cucked Biden the entire time.

I'd wager that in private conversation, Biden probably calls Bibi every nasty name that you can think of to his staff.

Israel is a strategic ally, but they're not our friends. Bibi would upend the global order and commit genocide just to stave off jail.

[Stannis]

So, you had to go there.

I appreciate the very informative response. These posts are getting long so I gave up on trying to format with clear responses to all your points. So, apologies in advance.

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I tend to read both sides of the news for these kinds of conflicts. So, I might come off as biased favoring the other side.

When it comes to countries like Libya, I’m in the camp that believed the west viewed them as an economic threat. Gaddafi was trying to make a “African Gold Dinar”. He was also going to use it to trade oil as opposed to the USD. It just has textbook “Divide and Conquer” & “Governments sell wars as acts of philanthropy” written all over it.

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As far as Saudi Arabia and Yemen, I always thought it was the Saudi's war, but they are getting a lot of support from USA. Saudi Arabia, imho, are like Israel. They do not get as much “unconditional support” from the USA, but they do get enough. And their goal is to take down these Shia countries, which is why they are allied with Israel (at least currently).

You see pics like this of our soldiers in Iraq, just makes me believe it isn’t about peace or “liberating the Iraqi people”. It’s a wealth grab:


As far as the corruption with these wars, off the top of my head. Madeleine Albright and Wesley Clark with the Kosovo War. Both happened to make millionaire investments in these regions after the bombing campaign.

The Clinton and Bush Foundations with the Haiti earthquake in the 90s.

Just all the stock trades politicians conveniently make prior to an invasion, battle, or war.

FWIW, I didn’t follow the Hunter Biden cases at all, so I’m not sure what happened there and can’t comment on it.

As far as going to war with Shia countries…. I think it’s headed that way. The seeds are already being planted. Saudi Arabia is allied with Israel because they fear Iran. The Trump assassins are being linked to Iran even though there’s no actual evidence of it. And the Biden Admin isn’t playing things any better. We already established that Bibi is trying to get Trump elected, and Biden is supposedly in a “lose-lose” situation. I don’t think the dems are in a lose-lose situation here. That’s an illusion. They are just making it a lose-lose situation.

The Kurds, yeah, what happened to them was fvked. However, I will say their situation is quite different than the rest of the conflicts we’ve discussed. For one, they don’t have a country. Their region is split between 4 different countries, and none of them like them. I don’t know too much about them to be quite honest and still reading up on their history. I do know that Turkey hates their guts. Even Turks I’ve met who consider themselves “progressive” and “anti-war” go on a long hateful/pro-war rant. To me, the Kurds sound like they must be the unluckiest bunch of all these middle east conflicts. What I was trying to address before is USA's bombing campaigns + taking out other foreign government leaders.

I’m not really a fan of Obama to be honest. At least not his Geopolitics. He bombed 7 different countries. I can’t look past that. This doesn’t mean I like Trump. I thought he was worse as he passed an executive order where they POTUS no longer must disclose their drone attacks.

At least with Obama, we got to see what he was doing. Look up "Abdulrahman al-Awlaki". It's wild stuff.

I wasn’t alive at the time. But I like Jimmy Carter a lot. I know a lot viewed him as weak. But I thought it was unfair. I can’t say he was the best US president. But maybe he was the best one for the rest of the world. I’d like the dems to go back to this.

Carter then said the US has been at peace for only 16 of its 242 years as a nation. Counting wars, military attacks and military occupations, there have actually only been five years of peace in US history – 1976, the last year of the Gerald Ford administration and 1977-80, the entirety of Carter’s presidency.Carter then referred to the US as “the most warlike nation in the history of the world,” a result, he said, of the US forcing other countries to “adopt our American principles.”

Anyways, Yeah, and I get I might have been too extreme. But I was responding to other posters who were basically giving me 1 option of either “stay in the Middle East” or “pull out completely”.

You look at a country like Qatar who usually plays “peacemaker” or both sides in a lot of these wars/conflicts. They are a small country. I’m not sure how big or strong of an army they have. But my point is, you can still main diplomatic and trade roles. It doesn’t have to be bombs; and billions/trillions of dollars of arms/aircrafts/drones.

All this is doing is making countries view China more highly, and dare I say… Russia. Both are growing their influence around the world (not including the West), particularly in Africa. This is happening in Senegal and Niger. USA is viewed as the country that bombs you. China is viewed as the country that builds your infrastructure.

[Stannis]

Is Ukraine + Europe actually winning this war against Russia? I haven't followed in a bit, but every time I look at the map, it looks like Russia is grabbing more territories

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682

[thebuzzardman]

Is Ukraine + Europe actually winning this war against Russia? I haven't followed in a bit, but every time I look at the map, it looks like Russia is grabbing more territories

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682

Well, Ukraine is allied with the evil USA, so hopefully the nice Russians are winning and win all of it. Hopefully they free Poland and the Balkans from the evil clutches next.

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He should have mentioned either Mitch being out. I would have at least respected him as a fan.

[MrDollarBills]

Is Ukraine + Europe actually winning this war against Russia? I haven't followed in a bit, but every time I look at the map, it looks like Russia is grabbing more territories

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682

Last i saw Russia had been humiliated by Ukraine invading their border.


Honestly everything is probably going to come to ahead when Harris hopefully gives Ukraine the green light to shoot long range misses into Russia instead of just drones. Moscow needs to feel some pain

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He should have mentioned either Mitch being out. I would have at least respected him as a fan.

Man....i read the indictment. Adams is going to prison. I would also be nervous if I were this guy

[MrDollarBills]

Is Ukraine + Europe actually winning this war against Russia? I haven't followed in a bit, but every time I look at the map, it looks like Russia is grabbing more territories

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682

Well, Ukraine is allied with the evil USA, so hopefully the nice Russians are winning and win all of it. Hopefully they free Poland and the Balkans from the evil clutches next.

Poland is begging Putin for a reason to rain hell fire down on Moscow.

I honestly think he's a moron. He's the richest man on earth through ill gotten means and yet he wants to rebuild the USSR like a fool and has killed thousands in the process. Instead he just woke up all of NATO.

[thebuzzardman]

Is Ukraine + Europe actually winning this war against Russia? I haven't followed in a bit, but every time I look at the map, it looks like Russia is grabbing more territories

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682

Well, Ukraine is allied with the evil USA, so hopefully the nice Russians are winning and win all of it. Hopefully they free Poland and the Balkans from the evil clutches next.

Poland is begging Putin for a reason to rain hell fire down on Moscow.

I honestly think he's a moron. He's the richest man on earth through ill gotten means and yet he wants to rebuild the USSR like a fool and has killed thousands in the process. Instead he just woke up all of NATO.

Well, Poland is a USA stooge, not a nice helpful country like China or Russia, so hopefully Russia would nuke Warsaw for such a transgression

[Stannis]

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Speaking of bad faith agitators (Bibi)...

That **** guy.

And he’s cucked Biden the entire time.

Israel says it has secured $8.7 billion U.S. aid package (it's complicated)
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-says-it-has-secured-87-billion-us-aid-package-2024-09-26/

[thebuzzardman]

Speaking of bad faith agitators (Bibi)...

That **** guy.

And he’s cucked Biden the entire time.

Israel says it has secured $8.7 billion U.S. aid package (it's complicated)
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-says-it-has-secured-87-billion-us-aid-package-2024-09-26/

Well, hopefully they are overrun by Iran, Syria and Lebanon.

[HarthorneWingo]

And he’s cucked Biden the entire time.

Israel says it has secured $8.7 billion U.S. aid package (it's complicated)
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-says-it-has-secured-87-billion-us-aid-package-2024-09-26/

Well, hopefully they are overrun by Iran, Syria and Lebanon.

Inshallah

[MrDollarBills]

Well, Ukraine is allied with the evil USA, so hopefully the nice Russians are winning and win all of it. Hopefully they free Poland and the Balkans from the evil clutches next.

Poland is begging Putin for a reason to rain hell fire down on Moscow.

I honestly think he's a moron. He's the richest man on earth through ill gotten means and yet he wants to rebuild the USSR like a fool and has killed thousands in the process. Instead he just woke up all of NATO.

Well, Poland is a USA stooge, not a nice helpful country like China or Russia, so hopefully Russia would nuke Warsaw for such a transgression

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Oh. We're LARPing. Cool. Ahem.

I've got to be real with you. I agree. Poland needs to be taught a lesson. They need to purge their liberal leadership and become more like our true allies in the country of Europe, Hungary.

In fact, the woke mind virus needs to be cleansed from Europe. The country hasn't been right since September of 1945. I think we all can agree that's when this...woke...stuff started.

Also, I've honestly been praying that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea finds the courage to end the woke liberal scourge to the south of their border. The Great Leader needs to show the emasculated west how a real leader handles southern provocation.

Gonna go tan my balls now. It's hard being an Alpha.

[WargamesX]

Speaking of bad faith agitators (Bibi)...

That **** guy.

And he’s cucked Biden the entire time.

Israel says it has secured $8.7 billion U.S. aid package (it's complicated)
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-says-it-has-secured-87-billion-us-aid-package-2024-09-26/

So the NYtimes kept running a series of articles that basically stated “It made no sense that Israel started a second war with Lebanon as they are at war in Gaza?”

Now we see that aid package and I have to ask, did they start a conflict with Lebanon to make it so America could justify giving them this Aid and ignoring what they are doing in Gaza and the West Bank?

Like are all we seeing is a massive tail that wags the dog campaign to figure out how to funnel American money and weapons into Israel while they are bombing Palestinians which the majority of Americans don’t agree with?

Cause that is what it looks like to me…. Like the solution to their PR problem of people being tired of them killing people was to kill more people….

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There have been 30 bomb threats in Springfield, OH

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Is Ukraine + Europe actually winning this war against Russia? I haven't followed in a bit, but every time I look at the map, it looks like Russia is grabbing more territories

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682

I don't know if Ukraine is winning. I think it's safe to say Russia isn't winning. But I don't know. I worry about giving an answer about something complicated when I know so little.

Ukraine has a lot of help, from Europa and the USA. Ukraine is also mostly defending. it's easier to defend your territory than go into and control somebody else's.

Beau of the Fifth Column on YouTube used to talk about the war a lot. He's since gone on hiatus and I don't find his channel nearly as informative without him. One of the things he said early one was that Putin's aides told him "you'll have a ton of support in the Ukraine" and go in, it'll be easy. You'll be cheered. A "bay of pigs" kind of thing. Putin's aides were yes men and Putin was misinformed about how easy the conquest would be. Ukraine resisted hard and Russia was unprepared and that was, of course, 3 years ago or whenever it started. Ukraine showed enough resolve and resistance to get US and Nato support and it's at least been a tie since then, with some strikes on Russian soil, so it might be edge Ukraine, even if the map looks otherwise . . . (I think).

One of the problems was that Ukraine had one main road of entry and that made for a line of troops and tanks and a line of troops is vulnerable. Russia took heavy loses early on. Russia is low on soldiers, low morale and they're importing arms and ammo from other countries They're not well set up. But they still have a pretty big army and nukes back home, so they're not without teeth, but I don't think anyone sees them as a world power anymore. I think Allied Europe is ahead of Russia now. It's still US and China at 1 and 2, but Russia might be 4 now. With the 2nd largest or largest collection of nukes, but still no longer a top tier military power.

And Beau made the point that they won't be able to maintain the land even if they somehow win the war, like the US in Iraq and Afganistan. It's hard to maintain control over a population that doesn't want you there. Even if they are taking more land, I'm not sure that's technically winning.

But . . . I've only watched a few videos, so please don't take my word for it. That's just my very limited understanding with only a single source of most of my information. I trust Beau, but he's still my only real source for this info.

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He should have mentioned either Mitch being out. I would have at least respected him as a fan.

Man....i read the indictment. Adams is going to prison. I would also be nervous if I were this guy

What I read, it sure sounds like he's guilty. Do you think he's going to prison? Menendez didn't go to prison over the first round of charges, but the gold bars in his house, maybe he will. That Georgia governor a few years back (I think it was Georgia), he didn't go to prison, that one went to the supreme court. George Santos is going to prison - Amen to that.

Will Adams go to prison for this? I suppose he might. Maybe he'll plea it out? I don't know.