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KAT to Knicks Part 3

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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#541 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Oct 5, 2024 3:59 pm

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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#542 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:00 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Brunson
Smart
Mikal
OG
KAT


That is the most defense you can give KAT if he’s playing the 5. That might be why the Knicks want Smart.



Smart
Hart
Mikal
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KAT

Would be the most defense. Especially when you want to give Brunson rest.


Deuce fills that role.

I agree with others that starting Deuce could be a good move and bring Hart off the bench.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#543 » by KnixinSix » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:00 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:Even if Deuce is not an elite distributor, he rarely turns it over. When he's handling PG duties we are very good at maintaining possession. I think he can continue to improve as a distributor, but I'm mostly keyed in on his ability to create with the ball, because he showed signs of being a legit penetrating scorer late in the season.

Any uptick to Deuce's passing game will probably be a result of how efficient a 3 point scorer he becomes and his ability to blow by his defenders. A shooter who can do both well generates more defensive gaps for himself as defenders have to be mindful of their inside/out scoring potential. That results in more dishing opportunities off drives.

If Deuce can combine all three components of efficient 3s, penetration and dishing off drives he will contribute to our spacing when he's on the floor. If he can also become a better conventional distributor, that's great, but it's not necessary for him to be core piece.


How is Payne as a PG/ball handler? Probably a step up from McBride. He assist average/min are pretty decent the last few years
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#544 » by Chislic » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:02 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:Even if Deuce is not an elite distributor, he rarely turns it over. When he's handling PG duties we are very good at maintaining possession. I think he can continue to improve as a distributor, but I'm mostly keyed in on his ability to create with the ball, because he showed signs of being a legit penetrating scorer late in the season.

Any uptick to Deuce's passing game will probably be a result of how efficient a 3 point scorer he becomes and his ability to blow by his defenders. A shooter who can do both well generates more defensive gaps for himself as defenders have to be mindful of their inside/out scoring potential. That results in more dishing opportunities off drives.

If Deuce can combine all three components of efficient 3s, penetration and dishing off drives he will contribute to our spacing when he's on the floor. If he can also become a better conventional distributor, that's great, but it's not necessary for him to be core piece.


And this is why he is our most valuable trade asset. We only have about 30 million to play with to update the bench. I'd be happy to keep him or happy to upgrade the bench. Win win.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#545 » by KnixinSix » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:03 pm

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KnixinSix wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Brunson
Smart
Mikal
OG
KAT


That is the most defense you can give KAT if he’s playing the 5. That might be why the Knicks want Smart.



Smart
Hart
Mikal
OG
KAT

Would be the most defense. Especially when you want to give Brunson rest.


Deuce fills that role.

I agree with others that starting Deuce could be a good move and bring Hart off the bench.


Word out of MSG and even out of Thibs mouth is Hart is starting.

Brunson
Hart
Mikal
OG
KAT


Is very likely the starting 5.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#546 » by god shammgod » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:04 pm

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y'all telling me this kid got sources nobody else has. c'mon folks.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#547 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:05 pm

JayTWill wrote:Do the Knicks even have the ability to trade for Smart right now without involving someone like Hart? If they trade Mitch, Deuce and another small contract to match Smart's $20M+ that would leave them with 10 players under standard contracts with around $4M left under the second apron to get to the minimum of 14 players I believe at the start of the season. I don't fully understand the CBA but I don't think you can sign 4 players at an average of $1M per.

I saw on twitter that we gonna need a 3rd team to do the trade
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#548 » by god shammgod » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:08 pm

he doesn't even say we talked to the grizzlies by the way. he said they have had "internal" discussions about marcus smart. which is basically them saying amongst themselves "should we try to trade for marcus smart ? i don't know, let's talk about it". they likely do that for a hundred players every year lol
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#549 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:08 pm

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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#550 » by Chanel Bomber » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:09 pm

I might just switch sports and become a Pittsburgh Penguins fan if we trade for Smart.

Chanelstradamus said Celtics needed to trade him to reach that next level.

Having him chuck with no conscience would make us step backwards.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#551 » by god shammgod » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:09 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
god shammgod wrote:Image

y'all telling me this kid got sources nobody else has. c'mon folks.

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always hated him. i also hate the redheaded kid on macri's podcast. i never knew why redheaded people got picked on but these two made me understand.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#552 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:11 pm

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y'all telling me this kid got sources nobody else has. c'mon folks.

I see why you hate him
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always hated him. i also hate the redheaded kid on macri's podcast. i never knew why redheaded people got picked on but these two made me understand.

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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#553 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:13 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:I might just switch sports and become a Pittsburgh Penguins fan if we trade for Smart.

Chanelstradamus said Celtics needed to trade him to reach that next level.

Having him chuck with no conscience would make us step backwards.

Chanel switching teams = Knicks winning a championship
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#554 » by Chanel Bomber » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:14 pm

god shammgod wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
god shammgod wrote:Image

y'all telling me this kid got sources nobody else has. c'mon folks.

I see why you hate him
Read on Twitter


always hated him. i also hate the redheaded kid on macri's podcast. i never knew why redheaded people got picked on but these two made me understand.

I hate Alex Trataros on KFTV. He redefines the adjective basic.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#555 » by Chanel Bomber » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:15 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:I might just switch sports and become a Pittsburgh Penguins fan if we trade for Smart.

Chanelstradamus said Celtics needed to trade him to reach that next level.

Having him chuck with no conscience would make us step backwards.

Chanel switching teams = Knicks winning a championship

Yes.

Why do you think I haven't switched yet.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#556 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:15 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:I might just switch sports and become a Pittsburgh Penguins fan if we trade for Smart.

Chanelstradamus said Celtics needed to trade him to reach that next level.

Having him chuck with no conscience would make us step backwards.

Chanel switching teams = Knicks winning a championship

Yes.

Why do you think I haven't switched yet.

You need to be stopped
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#557 » by Chanel Bomber » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:16 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Chanel Bomber wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Chanel switching teams = Knicks winning a championship

Yes.

Why do you think I haven't switched yet.

You need to be stopped

Tell KnicksGod to make me admin and I'll jump ship.
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Post#558 » by SelbyCobra » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:17 pm

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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#559 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:24 pm

KnixinSix wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:Even if Deuce is not an elite distributor, he rarely turns it over. When he's handling PG duties we are very good at maintaining possession. I think he can continue to improve as a distributor, but I'm mostly keyed in on his ability to create with the ball, because he showed signs of being a legit penetrating scorer late in the season.

Any uptick to Deuce's passing game will probably be a result of how efficient a 3 point scorer he becomes and his ability to blow by his defenders. A shooter who can do both well generates more defensive gaps for himself as defenders have to be mindful of their inside/out scoring potential. That results in more dishing opportunities off drives.

If Deuce can combine all three components of efficient 3s, penetration and dishing off drives he will contribute to our spacing when he's on the floor. If he can also become a better conventional distributor, that's great, but it's not necessary for him to be core piece.


How is Payne as a PG/ball handler? Probably a step up from McBride. He assist average/min are pretty decent the last few years


I think Payne will get minutes earlier in the season. His and Deuce's performance may determine how much of an opportunity Thibs gives Kolek this year.

If both Payne and Deuce prosper, that gives us a solid 9 man rotation since some variation of Precious/Sims will be in the mix too.

If Deuce starts, Hart/Payne are in theory a 2nd unit backcourt.

If Hart stars, Deuce/Payne could be a dynamic 2nd unit backcourt.
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Re: KAT to Knicks Part 3 

Post#560 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Oct 5, 2024 4:26 pm

KnixinSix wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:

Smart
Hart
Mikal
OG
KAT

Would be the most defense. Especially when you want to give Brunson rest.


Deuce fills that role.

I agree with others that starting Deuce could be a good move and bring Hart off the bench.


Word out of MSG and even out of Thibs mouth is Hart is starting.

Brunson
Hart
Mikal
OG
KAT


Is very likely the starting 5.


Which is fine. I'm just playing with the idea of Deuce starting even if Hart is likely starting.

Deuce and Payne off the bench is very solid.

If Deuce is ripping the net from outside, he fills a void from Donte's absence and becomes our sixth man.

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