Ex-Knicks, Sh**posts, and Old Trades - OH MY!

[FrozenEnvelope]

One huge difference between KAT and Randle is their temperament. KAT gets knocked down, hit in the face and just beat up. He complains but it's nothing like Randle who would go on to complain the rest of the game, not get back on defense and stay angry for days.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

KAT is +201 on the season, Randle is +48 (Reid is +51), this time last year KAT was +169 for the Wolves and they were 23-7.


Randle is a v6 Camaro and KAT is a Porsche GT3 RS.

[Deeeez Knicks]

RJ helped us get OG
Randle helped us get KAT

Great moves, and they both helped us get where we are at.

IQ was the centerpiece of the OG trade. We can speculate about RJ's value in the trade but the Knicks likely could've struck a deal without him - but not without Quick.

And Randle helped us a lot more than RJ. It's pretty much indisputable that Randle helped us build this foundation. It's at best questionable that RJ ever did after his sophomore season.

Both IQ and RJ were needed to get the deal done. RJ has actually put up better stats and been more efficient then IQ as a Raptor

RJs stats as a Raptor:
22.6ppg, 6.6rpg, 5.1apg, 51%fg, 37%fg, 58.4% TS vs 56% for iq

I mean, his stats are pretty good and he has taken some steps forward.

[Chanel Bomber]

RJ helped us get OG
Randle helped us get KAT

Great moves, and they both helped us get where we are at.

IQ was the centerpiece of the OG trade. We can speculate about RJ's value in the trade but the Knicks likely could've struck a deal without him - but not without Quick.

And Randle helped us a lot more than RJ. It's pretty much indisputable that Randle helped us build this foundation. It's at best questionable that RJ ever did after his sophomore season.

Both IQ and RJ were needed to get the deal done. RJ has actually put up better stats and been more efficient then IQ as a Raptor

RJs stats as a Raptor:
22.6ppg, 6.6rpg, 5.1apg, 51%fg, 37%fg, 58.4% TS vs 56% for iq

I mean, his stats are pretty good and he has taken some steps forward.

IQ was the centerpiece of the trade. RJ wasn't valued nearly as much. To suggest otherwise is just revisionist history. What happened after that trade is irrelevant to this discussion.

[Deeeez Knicks]

IQ was the centerpiece of the OG trade. We can speculate about RJ's value in the trade but the Knicks likely could've struck a deal without him - but not without Quick.

And Randle helped us a lot more than RJ. It's pretty much indisputable that Randle helped us build this foundation. It's at best questionable that RJ ever did after his sophomore season.

Both IQ and RJ were needed to get the deal done. RJ has actually put up better stats and been more efficient then IQ as a Raptor

RJs stats as a Raptor:
22.6ppg, 6.6rpg, 5.1apg, 51%fg, 37%fg, 58.4% TS vs 56% for iq

I mean, his stats are pretty good and he has taken some steps forward.

IQ was the centerpiece of the trade. RJ wasn't valued nearly as much. To suggest otherwise is just revisionist history. What happened after that trade is irrelevant to this discussion.

The Raptors wanted both players and both had value. IQ was probably valued more at the time, but RJ was also valued positively.

[Chanel Bomber]

Both IQ and RJ were needed to get the deal done. RJ has actually put up better stats and been more efficient then IQ as a Raptor

RJs stats as a Raptor:
22.6ppg, 6.6rpg, 5.1apg, 51%fg, 37%fg, 58.4% TS vs 56% for iq

I mean, his stats are pretty good and he has taken some steps forward.

IQ was the centerpiece of the trade. RJ wasn't valued nearly as much. To suggest otherwise is just revisionist history. What happened after that trade is irrelevant to this discussion.

The Raptors wanted both players and both had value. IQ was probably valued more at the time, but RJ was also valued positively.

It's debatable, but I don't care whether RJ was valued mildly positively, mildly negatively, or just thrown in as salary filler.

IQ was not "probably" valued more. He was valued more.

[Clyde_Style]

Both IQ and RJ were needed to get the deal done. RJ has actually put up better stats and been more efficient then IQ as a Raptor

RJs stats as a Raptor:
22.6ppg, 6.6rpg, 5.1apg, 51%fg, 37%fg, 58.4% TS vs 56% for iq

I mean, his stats are pretty good and he has taken some steps forward.

IQ was the centerpiece of the trade. RJ wasn't valued nearly as much. To suggest otherwise is just revisionist history. What happened after that trade is irrelevant to this discussion.

The Raptors wanted both players and both had value. IQ was probably valued more at the time, but RJ was also valued positively.

As long as RJ performs well, his value to the Raptor's was actually huge being the one prodigal son in the NBA they could bring home.

From a business perspective, RJ was worth more to the Raptor's than IQ.

From a basketball perspective, RJ was not a throw-in next to IQ. They were both required to make the deal happen.

If people think RJ is a scrub, that's their prerogative, but the Raptor's certainly don't think so, not then, not now.

[bronxknicksfan1]

IQ was the centerpiece of the OG trade. We can speculate about RJ's value in the trade but the Knicks likely could've struck a deal without him - but not without Quick.

And Randle helped us a lot more than RJ. It's pretty much indisputable that Randle helped us build this foundation. It's at best questionable that RJ ever did after his sophomore season.

Both IQ and RJ were needed to get the deal done. RJ has actually put up better stats and been more efficient then IQ as a Raptor

RJs stats as a Raptor:
22.6ppg, 6.6rpg, 5.1apg, 51%fg, 37%fg, 58.4% TS vs 56% for iq

I mean, his stats are pretty good and he has taken some steps forward.

IQ was the centerpiece of the trade. RJ wasn't valued nearly as much. To suggest otherwise is just revisionist history. What happened after that trade is irrelevant to this discussion.

The fact Leon only had to include SRP in the deal when Toronto was looking for 3 FRPs for OG says otherwise. Unless you believe an expiring IQ who was due for a pay day was worth 3 FRPs at the time (he wasn’t). Deal doesn’t get done without both of them.

[thebuzzardman]

Divo sure needed a lot of time to gel

[KnicksGadfly]

Both IQ and RJ were needed to get the deal done. RJ has actually put up better stats and been more efficient then IQ as a Raptor

RJs stats as a Raptor:
22.6ppg, 6.6rpg, 5.1apg, 51%fg, 37%fg, 58.4% TS vs 56% for iq

I mean, his stats are pretty good and he has taken some steps forward.

IQ was the centerpiece of the trade. RJ wasn't valued nearly as much. To suggest otherwise is just revisionist history. What happened after that trade is irrelevant to this discussion.

The fact Leon only had to include SRP in the deal when Toronto was looking for 3 FRPs for OG says otherwise. Unless you believe an expiring IQ who was due for a pay day was worth 3 FRPs at the time (he wasn’t). Deal doesn’t get done without both of them.

Right but that’s not what Chanel is saying. He’s not saying RJ had no value. He’s saying IQ was the cornerstone of the trade, which he was. You can also see by the way the Raps paid him after the season.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

IQ was the centerpiece of the trade. RJ wasn't valued nearly as much. To suggest otherwise is just revisionist history. What happened after that trade is irrelevant to this discussion.

The Raptors wanted both players and both had value. IQ was probably valued more at the time, but RJ was also valued positively.

It's debatable, but I don't care whether RJ was valued mildly positively, mildly negatively, or just thrown in as salary filler.

IQ was not "probably" valued more. He was valued more.

RJ is really just a deflection, nobody in this thread wants him back over OG, nor did anyone crash out when he was traded. The KAT trade saw the ultimate implosion of Team Villain and why this thread is here in the first place.

[DOT]

Dude who spends all his time talking about someone claims he doesn't care lol

It was a win-win trade. OG is a better fit for us and he's playing well, and RJ is playing really well for Toronto. Dudes need to move on, but I guess if they could, we wouldn't have this thread for them to seethe in.

[Clyde_Style]

IQ was the centerpiece of the trade. RJ wasn't valued nearly as much. To suggest otherwise is just revisionist history. What happened after that trade is irrelevant to this discussion.

The fact Leon only had to include SRP in the deal when Toronto was looking for 3 FRPs for OG says otherwise. Unless you believe an expiring IQ who was due for a pay day was worth 3 FRPs at the time (he wasn’t). Deal doesn’t get done without both of them.

Right but that’s not what Chanel is saying. He’s saying RJ had no value. He’s saying IQ was the cornerstone of the trade, which he was. You can also see by the way the Raps paid him after the season.

Nothing new considering Chanel has been saying this since 500 B.C.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Dude who spends all his time talking about someone claims he doesn't care lol

It was a win-win trade. OG is a better fit for us and he's playing well, and RJ is playing really well for Toronto. Dudes need to move on, but I guess if they could, we wouldn't have this thread for them to seethe in.

This thread didn't exist when RJ was traded for OG, because we're all good with it and realize OG is better. This thread is to drive home the point that KAT is better than Randle, and we won that trade, let's not lose sight of that.


I'll stop posting here when the white flag is waved on Randle, because it should have been weeks ago, just like it was on RJ for OG.

[Clyde_Style]

The Raptors wanted both players and both had value. IQ was probably valued more at the time, but RJ was also valued positively.

It's debatable, but I don't care whether RJ was valued mildly positively, mildly negatively, or just thrown in as salary filler.

IQ was not "probably" valued more. He was valued more.

RJ is really just a deflection, nobody in this thread wants him back over OG, nor did anyone crash out when he was traded. The KAT trade saw the ultimate implosion of Team Villain and why this thread is here in the first place.

Thankfully, we can now inoculate the rest of the board by having this thread where tired old villains get to squawk a few more times about barbz, casuals, hives, receipts and other inconsequential huffing and puffing before they finally succumb to the inertia of the unrewarding task of trotting out boring old biases no one else actually pays attention to any longer.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

It's debatable, but I don't care whether RJ was valued mildly positively, mildly negatively, or just thrown in as salary filler.

IQ was not "probably" valued more. He was valued more.

RJ is really just a deflection, nobody in this thread wants him back over OG, nor did anyone crash out when he was traded. The KAT trade saw the ultimate implosion of Team Villain and why this thread is here in the first place.

Thankfully, we can now inoculate the rest of the board by having this thread where tired old villains get to squawk a few more times about barbz, casuals, hives, receipts and other inconsequential huffing and puffing before they finally succumb to the inertia of the unrewarding task of trotting out boring old biases no one else actually pays attention to any longer.

sham will be coming back after Feb 6th if Mitch isn't traded.

[bronxknicksfan1]

IQ was the centerpiece of the trade. RJ wasn't valued nearly as much. To suggest otherwise is just revisionist history. What happened after that trade is irrelevant to this discussion.

The fact Leon only had to include SRP in the deal when Toronto was looking for 3 FRPs for OG says otherwise. Unless you believe an expiring IQ who was due for a pay day was worth 3 FRPs at the time (he wasn’t). Deal doesn’t get done without both of them.

Right but that’s not what Chanel is saying. He’s saying RJ had no value. He’s saying IQ was the cornerstone of the trade, which he was. You can also see by the way the Raps paid him after the season.

According to Chanel, RJ had negative value

A team doesn’t shift from 3 FRPs to settling for just IQ and a contract dump of RJ. They valued both players. It just bothers people in here to admit that RJ had trade value after yelling for years that he didn’t.

[Clyde_Style]

RJ is really just a deflection, nobody in this thread wants him back over OG, nor did anyone crash out when he was traded. The KAT trade saw the ultimate implosion of Team Villain and why this thread is here in the first place.

Thankfully, we can now inoculate the rest of the board by having this thread where tired old villains get to squawk a few more times about barbz, casuals, hives, receipts and other inconsequential huffing and puffing before they finally succumb to the inertia of the unrewarding task of trotting out boring old biases no one else actually pays attention to any longer.

sham will be coming back after Feb 6th if Mitch isn't traded.

You need that to happen, don't you?

[Iron Mantis]

The Raptors wanted both players and both had value. IQ was probably valued more at the time, but RJ was also valued positively.

It's debatable, but I don't care whether RJ was valued mildly positively, mildly negatively, or just thrown in as salary filler.

IQ was not "probably" valued more. He was valued more.

RJ is really just a deflection, nobody in this thread wants him back over OG, nor did anyone crash out when he was traded. The KAT trade saw the ultimate implosion of Team Villain and why this thread is here in the first place.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Thankfully, we can now inoculate the rest of the board by having this thread where tired old villains get to squawk a few more times about barbz, casuals, hives, receipts and other inconsequential huffing and puffing before they finally succumb to the inertia of the unrewarding task of trotting out boring old biases no one else actually pays attention to any longer.

sham will be coming back after Feb 6th if Mitch isn't traded.

You need that to happen, don't you?

My victory over sham was complete the second he let emotions get the best of him and took his ball and went home. He lurks now, but if he came back my smear campaign will relent because I see he can't actually take the heat. He's no nemesis of mine, he's no longer a worthy adversary.