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Jeff Van Gully wrote:who is still in?
and who wants to do the next GT? i know melo and LFGK had spoken up.
mpharris36 wrote:god shammgod wrote:not that it's gonna change or that even we should at this point, but the starting lineup hasn't worked since december. they started this game bad in the 1st and they were bad to end it too. that's worthy of talking about. it's something they're gonna have to address in the offseason. maybe for now they should just play them together a little less.
worth talking about but changing Hart for Deuce doesn't change what happened at the end of the game. Changing Hart for Mitch doesn't change for what happened at the end of the game.
I think Hart was the culprit on one of the 3's Nesmith hit when he was screened by Obi and then recklessly closed out and fell.
But the collapse was because of our main guys that won't be leaving the rotation. And whether you want to admit it also coaching impact here...after the first open 3 you call a TO and get the team settled back in.
Knicks were up 14 with 3:44 left and Brunson was at the FT line for one more FT...he missed. Knicks had 2....yes 2 TO's remaining. You want to know the next time the knicks called a TO? 34 seconds remaining only up 5....how do you let 9 pts come off the lead without calling a TO to settle the team down to adjust the coverage?
Brunson missed a FT down the stretch
KAT missed a FT down the stretch
OG missed a FT down the stretch
all those guys aren't being removed.
Also as I posted above OG not staying connected to Siakam as a screener allowing back to back uncontested walk in 3's from Nesmith is space cadet type ****. I have no explanation what he was thinking. And he's our best defensive player.
Haliburton I think hit a 3 in that stretch where he gave Mikal a power dribble Mikal took one step to try to cut the drive off and then hit a step back 3...not sure why we always are concerned about giving up layups in that stretch...give up as many layups with taking time off as possible and run teams off the 3 pt line.
Another open 3 on Nesmith was a non switch with Brunson and Mikal...caused Sheppard to slip the screen...the whole team collapsed and let Sheppard hit Nesmith again on a C&S 3 with Brunson recovering too late.
I agree we should probably play the starters much less...the Net rating for a while has been ass but isn't that simply on the coach for not adjusting?
The KnicksFix wrote:The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it. You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done! Now if you know what you're worth then go out and get what you're worth. But ya gotta be willing to take the hits, and not pointing fingers saying you ain't where you wanna be because of him, or her, or anybody! Cowards do that and that ain't you!
The bulls were down 0-2 to us in 1993. They won four straight
The bucks were down 0-2 to the suns and won 4 straight against the suns
Okc just lost game 1 to the nuggets in heartbreaking fashion and still won the series in 7
This series is far from over.
Everyone. Relax.
mpharris36 wrote:fans are going to overreact...its what they do...especially after one of the worst sports collapses of recent memory...
what is not an overreaction is the starting lineup NET rating for a while...and the way we defensively close out games. Remember game 3 vs the pistons when we were comfortably ahead with 1 minute to play. Beasley hit an open 3....THjr hit an open 3...Tobias Harris hit an open 3...to the point the pistons got the ball back with a chance to tie or win...the fact these games get to one possession late is a terrible look.
We haven't learned from it. The only way for these teams to get back into the game is shoot a bunch of 3's...yet constantly we are either in drop or not connected/switching everything late. And its not just our bad defenders making mistakes either in KAT or Brunson...the whole team makes the mistakes. That seems to go back to everything I am talking about...
the defense was fine for about 40 minutes of the game...the first 6 and last 3 were a complete disaster.
Deeeez Knicks wrote:It was a total team and coach collapse. Everyone gets blame.
The OG play where he fumbled stood out as the biggest and dumbest mistake. All we had to do was just hold the ball and take the clock down. Indy gets the ball down 5 with like 10 seconds left at worst.
cgmw wrote:mpharris36 wrote:fans are going to overreact...its what they do...especially after one of the worst sports collapses of recent memory...
what is not an overreaction is the starting lineup NET rating for a while...and the way we defensively close out games. Remember game 3 vs the pistons when we were comfortably ahead with 1 minute to play. Beasley hit an open 3....THjr hit an open 3...Tobias Harris hit an open 3...to the point the pistons got the ball back with a chance to tie or win...the fact these games get to one possession late is a terrible look.
We haven't learned from it. The only way for these teams to get back into the game is shoot a bunch of 3's...yet constantly we are either in drop or not connected/switching everything late. And its not just our bad defenders making mistakes either in KAT or Brunson...the whole team makes the mistakes. That seems to go back to everything I am talking about...
the defense was fine for about 40 minutes of the game...the first 6 and last 3 were a complete disaster.
OG dropped on the switch at least 5 times leading to Indy buckets in the final 2 minutes and OT. It was infuriating live. He seemed spaced out and ball-watchy. Similarly, Josh got beat back door while cross-court ball watching the strong side.
OG was ball watching and got beat back door on the final play of regulation which is why Mitch was a step late to contest Hali’s shot.
It must have been exhausting mentally to watch the air come out of the room like that but we can’f afford mistakes like that from our non-Jalen/KAT defenders.
mpharris36 wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:It was a total team and coach collapse. Everyone gets blame.
The OG play where he fumbled stood out as the biggest and dumbest mistake. All we had to do was just hold the ball and take the clock down. Indy gets the ball down 5 with like 10 seconds left at worst.
OG had his worst game as a Knicks...you can probably point to 10 plays where he just made the wrong decision. I have no idea what it was...sick, hurt, tired...but it was a disaster for him especially down the stretch.
like wtf is this?
Then as for Hart
with less than a minute how do you lose focus like this?
And this is in OT where we shouldn't have been in the first place.
From the terrible 3 pt defense, the missed FT's, the turnovers when all we had to do was hold on to the ball. How we went over 3 minutes without calling a TO to settle the team down?
Amateur hour ****!
mpharris36 wrote:cgmw wrote:mpharris36 wrote:fans are going to overreact...its what they do...especially after one of the worst sports collapses of recent memory...
what is not an overreaction is the starting lineup NET rating for a while...and the way we defensively close out games. Remember game 3 vs the pistons when we were comfortably ahead with 1 minute to play. Beasley hit an open 3....THjr hit an open 3...Tobias Harris hit an open 3...to the point the pistons got the ball back with a chance to tie or win...the fact these games get to one possession late is a terrible look.
We haven't learned from it. The only way for these teams to get back into the game is shoot a bunch of 3's...yet constantly we are either in drop or not connected/switching everything late. And its not just our bad defenders making mistakes either in KAT or Brunson...the whole team makes the mistakes. That seems to go back to everything I am talking about...
the defense was fine for about 40 minutes of the game...the first 6 and last 3 were a complete disaster.
OG dropped on the switch at least 5 times leading to Indy buckets in the final 2 minutes and OT. It was infuriating live. He seemed spaced out and ball-watchy. Similarly, Josh got beat back door while cross-court ball watching the strong side.
OG was ball watching and got beat back door on the final play of regulation which is why Mitch was a step late to contest Hali’s shot.
It must have been exhausting mentally to watch the air come out of the room like that but we can’f afford mistakes like that from our non-Jalen/KAT defenders.
I'm simply at a loss for how bad you have to play with those mental mistakes down the stretch to lose that game. Everyone outside of Mikal didn't play crazy minutes this game either...they were all under 40 before OT outside of Mikal. There is no excuse for tired mental lapses in a the EC finals...some of our guys are just too cool for school.
Enough of this are we locked in sh*t...its the EC finals you need to be locked in every play...and if you aren't then its the coaches job to resettle the team to get them back on track playing the right coverages. The fact we didn't call a single TO to stem the momentum of the Nesmith 3 ball barrage is comically bad coaching.
H_20 wrote:mpharris36 wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:It was a total team and coach collapse. Everyone gets blame.
The OG play where he fumbled stood out as the biggest and dumbest mistake. All we had to do was just hold the ball and take the clock down. Indy gets the ball down 5 with like 10 seconds left at worst.
OG had his worst game as a Knicks...you can probably point to 10 plays where he just made the wrong decision. I have no idea what it was...sick, hurt, tired...but it was a disaster for him especially down the stretch.
like wtf is this?
Then as for Hart
with less than a minute how do you lose focus like this?
And this is in OT where we shouldn't have been in the first place.
From the terrible 3 pt defense, the missed FT's, the turnovers when all we had to do was hold on to the ball. How we went over 3 minutes without calling a TO to settle the team down?
Amateur hour ****!
That OG missed rebound , looked like he was tired. He also missed an easy layup/dunk earlier in the game. Im hoping it's just being tired and not hurt.
j4remi wrote:Mitch left the game with five mins to go and a 13-point lead. Nesmith hit his first three-pointer of the comeback in the very next possession...then Nesmith hit three more. KAT had a terrible defensive game (elite offensively to be fair).
mpharris36 wrote:Deeeez Knicks wrote:It was a total team and coach collapse. Everyone gets blame.
The OG play where he fumbled stood out as the biggest and dumbest mistake. All we had to do was just hold the ball and take the clock down. Indy gets the ball down 5 with like 10 seconds left at worst.
OG had his worst game as a Knicks...you can probably point to 10 plays where he just made the wrong decision. I have no idea what it was...sick, hurt, tired...but it was a disaster for him especially down the stretch.
like wtf is this?
Then as for Hart
with less than a minute how do you lose focus like this?
And this is in OT where we shouldn't have been in the first place.
From the terrible 3 pt defense, the missed FT's, the turnovers when all we had to do was hold on to the ball. How we went over 3 minutes without calling a TO to settle the team down?
Amateur hour ****!
LFGK wrote:garbage down the stretch but don't overreact, Brunson gets the ridiculous goaltend and we prob win, OG catches the ball clean and scores, we prob win. Dont get too high or too low, eveything will be fine, This team punches back and has their best games after a big loss. That entire choking thing by that clow, way to early in the series, that type of sh*t fuels teams
