BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani

[Moose]

Getting rid of novaks 3 remaining years is a plus. Losing the pick sucks, but it is basically guaranteed to be a low pick in the 20s.

Hopefully melo opts in after this season so we can do a full reset in 2 seasons. It is likely felton will opt out. We would only have JR, Shump, and hardaway on the roster. It's really a nice set up.

But melo opting out could ruin everything since he could make like 30 mill a yr if he resigns with us for the max. Would be tough to build a team around a 30 yr old melo taking up half the cap space. There are some minor benefits to him opting in, so hopefully he does just that.

[gamer4Life]

Expect a motivated Bargnani to average 20 ppg, 8 rpg, 5 apg, 50% FG% this season.

[TKF]

Its amazing how a guy who bricks threes doesn't play any defence, and causes 7-0 runs when he enters the game, was a plus 248 last year. That means the team was avg with him, but won 2.5 games by a score of 100-0 during his time on the court. (Note the knicks are a pretty good team, so it shouldn't be too surprising anyways). Of course he is truly awful and that's a mere coincidence, his high expectation shooting and ability to provide court spacing had nothing to do with it.

If anything, though, it should be somewhat amazing that him entering the game, despite being a supposedly terrible player, somehow caused so many 7-0 runs for the knicks.

His ability to space the floor last year started out as the only positive thing he could do, and eventually became the most overrated aspect of his game. He doesn't cut to the basket, nor does he move very quickly, nor does Woody have him run off of screens to get himself open. He might as well bring a tent, some propane and smores the way he camps out near the 3 point line and just stands there waiting to get the ball and shoot the inevitable three pointer. His man doesn't even need to expend energy playing defense because they know he's not gonna put it on the floor and an especially agile defender can even cheat off of Novak to play help D and then rotate back if they see the ball being swung towards him.

Furthermore, the only contribution he makes on D is when the guy being guarded by him sees that they've got basically a green light to score, decides to start chucking away, and misses some bad shots. The +/- statistic you mentioned above could also be due to the fact that last year he had a penchant for making lots of shots in garbage time when the score wasn't anywhere close.

If bargnani can play the Novak role but actually drive when the defense closes out then that's all we really need. Teams like the bulls close out three point shooters but if bargnani and drive on those and create a shot for himself or someone else. That's makes all the difference for us.

Against the pacers, he will be used to pull out Hibbert. After maybe 2 made threes, Hibbert will step out leaving only west to guard the basket. Melo can abuse west in the paint. Forget stats if bargnani can just do these two things for us then this trade was def worth it.

so that means he will have to guard hibbert as well.. How do you think that will turn out? either hibbert will have a career game scoring or bargs will foul out in 10 minutes... I don't understand why people keep saying he will pull hibbert out and not even factor in he has to guard hibbert.. if chandler could not guard Hibbert, the DPOY, then how does this dude stand a chance?

[SaveUsKP6]

so that means he will have to guard hibbert as well.. How do you think that will turn out? either hibbert will have a career game scoring or bargs will foul out in 10 minutes... I don't understand why people keep saying he will pull hibbert out and not even factor in he has to guard hibbert.. if chandler could not guard Hibbert, the DPOY, then how does this dude stand a chance?

I'm usually with you, but this is just not correct. If you have Bargs at the 4 and Chandler at the 5 it's a non-issue. Considering how good Bargnani is off the screen, you can create the Hibbert/Bargnani matchup. Or, if that isn't working, at the very least you're taking David West out of the paint.

[Knicksfan20]

Supposedly Bargs is a pretty good man defender, so hopefully he can do am adequate job against Hibbert. The same can be said about Hibbert though, Bargs could also put him into foul trouble.

[Fury]

His ability to space the floor last year started out as the only positive thing he could do, and eventually became the most overrated aspect of his game. He doesn't cut to the basket, nor does he move very quickly, nor does Woody have him run off of screens to get himself open. He might as well bring a tent, some propane and smores the way he camps out near the 3 point line and just stands there waiting to get the ball and shoot the inevitable three pointer. His man doesn't even need to expend energy playing defense because they know he's not gonna put it on the floor and an especially agile defender can even cheat off of Novak to play help D and then rotate back if they see the ball being swung towards him.

Furthermore, the only contribution he makes on D is when the guy being guarded by him sees that they've got basically a green light to score, decides to start chucking away, and misses some bad shots. The +/- statistic you mentioned above could also be due to the fact that last year he had a penchant for making lots of shots in garbage time when the score wasn't anywhere close.

If bargnani can play the Novak role but actually drive when the defense closes out then that's all we really need. Teams like the bulls close out three point shooters but if bargnani and drive on those and create a shot for himself or someone else. That's makes all the difference for us.

Against the pacers, he will be used to pull out Hibbert. After maybe 2 made threes, Hibbert will step out leaving only west to guard the basket. Melo can abuse west in the paint. Forget stats if bargnani can just do these two things for us then this trade was def worth it.

so that means he will have to guard hibbert as well.. How do you think that will turn out? either hibbert will have a career game scoring or bargs will foul out in 10 minutes... I don't understand why people keep saying he will pull hibbert out and not even factor in he has to guard hibbert.. if chandler could not guard Hibbert, the DPOY, then how does this dude stand a chance?

Bargnani is a p good man to man defender

[TKF]

I just have one question.. How many knicks fans thought Bargs was a good player before the trade?

I thought he had talent and wasn't bad(talent wise).. but he is not motivated and lazy... and not what we needed...

just curious..

[SaveUsKP6]

I just have one question.. How many knicks fans thought Bargs was a good player before the trade?

I thought he had talent and wasn't bad(talent wise).. but he is not motivated and lazy... and not what we needed...

just curious..

Mostly irrelevant, because before this trade he was NEVER what he is going to be for this team. Apples and oranges. But to try and answer your question, I always thought he was immensely talented playing a role that he wasn't meant to play.

[TKF]

If bargnani can play the Novak role but actually drive when the defense closes out then that's all we really need. Teams like the bulls close out three point shooters but if bargnani and drive on those and create a shot for himself or someone else. That's makes all the difference for us.

Against the pacers, he will be used to pull out Hibbert. After maybe 2 made threes, Hibbert will step out leaving only west to guard the basket. Melo can abuse west in the paint. Forget stats if bargnani can just do these two things for us then this trade was def worth it.

so that means he will have to guard hibbert as well.. How do you think that will turn out? either hibbert will have a career game scoring or bargs will foul out in 10 minutes... I don't understand why people keep saying he will pull hibbert out and not even factor in he has to guard hibbert.. if chandler could not guard Hibbert, the DPOY, then how does this dude stand a chance?

Bargnani is a p good man to man defender

no he isn't.. but I will go with your view.. let say he is.. he is better than chandler? if not then he will get destroyed by hibbert.. no doubt..

[GONYK]

I just have one question.. How many knicks fans thought Bargs was a good player before the trade?

I thought he had talent and wasn't bad(talent wise).. but he is not motivated and lazy... and not what we needed...

just curious..

I shared the same opinion as you as far as Bargs. All world talent with little league heart.

But I would trade for that all day if he is replacing Novak, who defined negative sum player.

[TKF]

I just have one question.. How many knicks fans thought Bargs was a good player before the trade?

I thought he had talent and wasn't bad(talent wise).. but he is not motivated and lazy... and not what we needed...

just curious..

Mostly irrelevant, because before this trade he was NEVER what he is going to be for this team. Apples and oranges. But to try and answer your question, I always thought he was immensely talented playing a role that he wasn't meant to play.

it is not irrelevant.. did you think he was a good player? because all of this, he was in a role he wasn't meant to play is hogwash... Did you think he was a good player or not? a lot of guys are in roles that may not be suited for them, but they are still Good players...

[SaveUsKP6]

no he isn't.. but I will go with your view.. let say he is.. he is better than chandler? if not then he will get destroyed by hibbert.. no doubt..

Well there's the first problem. You're not willing to change your stance despite some pretty strong evidence.

[Mangiacake]

His ability to space the floor last year started out as the only positive thing he could do, and eventually became the most overrated aspect of his game. He doesn't cut to the basket, nor does he move very quickly, nor does Woody have him run off of screens to get himself open. He might as well bring a tent, some propane and smores the way he camps out near the 3 point line and just stands there waiting to get the ball and shoot the inevitable three pointer. His man doesn't even need to expend energy playing defense because they know he's not gonna put it on the floor and an especially agile defender can even cheat off of Novak to play help D and then rotate back if they see the ball being swung towards him.

Furthermore, the only contribution he makes on D is when the guy being guarded by him sees that they've got basically a green light to score, decides to start chucking away, and misses some bad shots. The +/- statistic you mentioned above could also be due to the fact that last year he had a penchant for making lots of shots in garbage time when the score wasn't anywhere close.

If bargnani can play the Novak role but actually drive when the defense closes out then that's all we really need. Teams like the bulls close out three point shooters but if bargnani and drive on those and create a shot for himself or someone else. That's makes all the difference for us.

Against the pacers, he will be used to pull out Hibbert. After maybe 2 made threes, Hibbert will step out leaving only west to guard the basket. Melo can abuse west in the paint. Forget stats if bargnani can just do these two things for us then this trade was def worth it.

so that means he will have to guard hibbert as well.. How do you think that will turn out? either hibbert will have a career game scoring or bargs will foul out in 10 minutes... I don't understand why people keep saying he will pull hibbert out and not even factor in he has to guard hibbert.. if chandler could not guard Hibbert, the DPOY, then how does this dude stand a chance?

The question is not who is going to guard Hibbert,but who is going to guard Bargnani

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzbAJRwjvrc.....2013

[ITGM]

I just have one question.. How many knicks fans thought Bargs was a good player before the trade?

I thought he had talent and wasn't bad(talent wise).. but he is not motivated and lazy... and not what we needed...

just curious..

I thought he sucked last year (due to his injury), but he was always a solid pickup for my fantasy teams in the previous years.

[Fury]

so that means he will have to guard hibbert as well.. How do you think that will turn out? either hibbert will have a career game scoring or bargs will foul out in 10 minutes... I don't understand why people keep saying he will pull hibbert out and not even factor in he has to guard hibbert.. if chandler could not guard Hibbert, the DPOY, then how does this dude stand a chance?

Bargnani is a p good man to man defender

no he isn't.. but I will go with your view.. let say he is.. he is better than chandler? if not then he will get destroyed by hibbert.. no doubt..

Well yes he is. Anyway, he's a bigger body than Chandler.

[SaveUsKP6]

I just have one question.. How many knicks fans thought Bargs was a good player before the trade?

I thought he had talent and wasn't bad(talent wise).. but he is not motivated and lazy... and not what we needed...

just curious..

Mostly irrelevant, because before this trade he was NEVER what he is going to be for this team. Apples and oranges. But to try and answer your question, I always thought he was immensely talented playing a role that he wasn't meant to play.

it is not irrelevant.. did you think he was a good player? because all of this, he was in a role he wasn't meant to play is hogwash... Did you think he was a good player or not? a lot of guys are in roles that may not be suited for them, but they are still Good players...

Yes I always thought he was a good player. Never really was a question in my mind. I don't really get why "role he wasn't meant to play" is hogwash. Is it just because it goes against your argument?

[TKF]

I just have one question.. How many knicks fans thought Bargs was a good player before the trade?

I thought he had talent and wasn't bad(talent wise).. but he is not motivated and lazy... and not what we needed...

just curious..

I shared the same opinion as you as far as Bargs. All world talent with little league heart.

But I would trade for that all day if he is replacing Novak, who defined negative sum player.

I am more concerned about the picks.. don't like that at all, and bargs is not what we needed.... now AK47 is more of what this team needed.. again, we added a guy who isn't going to make us better at all..

[Fury]

Bargnani is a legit second scorer and we needed that.

[SaveUsKP6]

I am more concerned about the picks.. don't like that at all, and bargs is not what we needed.... now AK47 is more of what this team needed.. again, we added a guy who isn't going to make us better at all..

So we needed another defender who doesn't space the floor? And a guy that could actually space the floor as well as turn into a legit scoring threat won't make us better at all? I'm starting to understand a lot about you

[TKF]

no he isn't.. but I will go with your view.. let say he is.. he is better than chandler? if not then he will get destroyed by hibbert.. no doubt..

Well there's the first problem. You're not willing to change your stance despite some pretty strong evidence.

there is no evidence... he is not a good defender... but i just went along with him, even if he was. if he is not better than chandler, why even think about putting him on hibbert who owned chandler... can you not see that point? or are you just choosing to ignore it and as the season rolls along turn on bargs as soon as you discover.. he isn't a good defender at all?