[Camelo Thread Part 6] - Update: NJ tries again Pg. 71

AllanHoustonFan · Post #561 » by **AllanHoustonFan** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 4:58 pm

moocow007 wrote:
soby22 wrote:any new MELO-DRAMA....today?

No. I think Wojina is in court trying to explain why he took money for a book he never worked on. So it should be quiet.

Our prayers have been answered :pray:

soby22 · Post #562 » by **soby22** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 4:58 pm

dam... so when is this deal talks going to heat up again man.

AllanHoustonFan · Post #563 » by **AllanHoustonFan** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 5:02 pm

soby22 wrote:dam... so when is this deal talks going to heat up again man.

February

soby22 · Post #564 » by **soby22** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 5:14 pm

AllanHoustonFan wrote:
soby22 wrote:dam... so when is this deal talks going to heat up again man.

February

why everything in feburary? . gowsh ..man suxx

Post #565 » by **knicks742** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 5:26 pm

Does anyone else have the feeling that this is going to get ugly in February? I know Melo has been doing his best not to anger the fans/management but if he wants to come to NY in February he is going to have to basically put their backs against a wall to get here.

Post #566 » by **GONYK** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 5:40 pm

knicks742 wrote:Does anyone else have the feeling that this is going to get ugly in February? I know Melo has been doing his best not to anger the fans/management but if he wants to come to NY in February he is going to have to basically put their backs against a wall to get here.

I think he already did that when he collapsed 2 of their trades

NYman15 · Post #567 » by **NYman15** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 5:59 pm

It could get ugly but my feeling is they are going to they and convince him to stay by playing well and he might just tell them no and they will get mad or panic and feel the pressure at the deadline.

Post #568 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 6:03 pm

GONYK wrote:
knicks742 wrote:Does anyone else have the feeling that this is going to get ugly in February? I know Melo has been doing his best not to anger the fans/management but if he wants to come to NY in February he is going to have to basically put their backs against a wall to get here.

I think he already did that when he collapsed 2 of their trades

I agree that it could get hairy. Their strategy does appear to be aimed at getting him to blink first and sign the extension.

towelie · Post #569 » by **towelie** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 6:07 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
GONYK wrote:
knicks742 wrote:Does anyone else have the feeling that this is going to get ugly in February? I know Melo has been doing his best not to anger the fans/management but if he wants to come to NY in February he is going to have to basically put their backs against a wall to get here.

I think he already did that when he collapsed 2 of their trades

I agree that it could get hairy. Their strategy does appear to be aimed at getting him to blink first and sign the extension.

I'd put money that Ujiri will trade him before the deadline (to who depends on whether Melo demands NY or accepts another team). If he lets it go to FA, he'll be perceived as the GM who let both Bosh and Anthony go for scraps, despite both players sharing their intentions of leaving way beforehand. That'd just be flat out bad management.

Post #570 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 6:21 pm

towelie wrote:I'd put money that Ujiri will trade him before the deadline (to who depends on whether Melo demands NY or accepts another team). If he lets it go to FA, he'll be perceived as the GM who let both Bosh and Anthony go for scraps, despite both players sharing their intentions of leaving way beforehand. That'd just be flat out bad management.

That's true. I just think they are still aiming to force him to sign the extension and the Nets are part of that strategy. If they have to take the Knick offer, they probably will.

Post #571 » by **moocow007** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 6:23 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
GONYK wrote:
knicks742 wrote:Does anyone else have the feeling that this is going to get ugly in February? I know Melo has been doing his best not to anger the fans/management but if he wants to come to NY in February he is going to have to basically put their backs against a wall to get here.

I think he already did that when he collapsed 2 of their trades

I agree that it could get hairy. Their strategy does appear to be aimed at getting him to blink first and sign the extension.

That's pretty much it. It's a whole cluster F blinking contest. Denver, Melo, NY, NJ all sitting at a table staring at each other waiting for someone to blink. Let's see who has the biggest balls and greatest stamina.

For Carmelo, does he really want to back down and acquiese to going to NJ with an extension?

For Denver, do they really want to bank on Melo telling them to go shove it (so to speak).

For NY, do they really want to believe that Melo and NY are a marriage inevitable?

For NJ, do they really believe they have a chance and are not being played?

RHODEY · Post #572 » by **RHODEY** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 6:27 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
towelie wrote:I'd put money that Ujiri will trade him before the deadline (to who depends on whether Melo demands NY or accepts another team). If he lets it go to FA, he'll be perceived as the GM who let both Bosh and Anthony go for scraps, despite both players sharing their intentions of leaving way beforehand. That'd just be flat out bad management.

That's true. I just think they are still aiming to force him to sign the extension and the Nets are part of that strategy. If they have to take the Knick offer, they probably will.

What interests me is our playoff position. Say we end up in 5th or 6th place after the Melo trade. You would have to think we get out of 1st round even without home court advantage against the Bulls or the Hawks....

NYman15 · Post #573 » by **NYman15** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 6:27 pm

Good points

FieldsMedal · Post #574 » by **FieldsMedal** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 6:36 pm

I've not in the "Nuggets will accept Gallinari or Chandler as opposed to nothing at the deadline if those are their only options" camp.

Nuggets are in a really odd position. ALL of their truly expensive players are pretty much expiring at the same time - Martin and Smith are expiring, Billups is only guaranteed $3m and change next year and Nene has a 1 year player option.

There are STRONG arguments for letting no less than 3 of those players go (Martin is gone, Smith has character issues, Billups is just fighting the clock), which would lend itself to a complete rebuild as opposed to retool.

Nuggets have the chance to wipe slate relatively clean if they choose (Harrington excepted, if they do nothing with 'Melo). They just might not see a Gallo/Chandler (both due big raises the next 2 seasons) as part of a long-term rebuild. I don't think this is unreasonable. They'll be looking for true first options to build around.

If NOTHING else, there is NO scenario I see the Knicks trading for 'Melo and NOT taking Harrington back.

Fury · Post #575 » by **Fury** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 6:40 pm

I don't know about that. If it gets to the point where the Nuggets are willing to trade Carmelo to NY because they know he'll go to NY anyway, why would Walsh take back Harrington? It's like if it was accepted he was going to NY, Walsh does not need to help them out by taking back Harrington when he's already giving them a player.

FieldsMedal · Post #576 » by **FieldsMedal** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 6:47 pm

Fury wrote:I don't know about that. If it gets to the point where the Nuggets are willing to trade Carmelo to NY because they know he'll go to NY anyway, why would Walsh take back Harrington? It's like if it was accepted he was going to NY, Walsh does not need to help them out by taking back Harrington when he's already giving them a player.

My reasoning is every paragraph above that one. I believe it when it's reported that the Nuggets just may not be enamored by the Knicks players and might let him walk for a trade exception if it comes down to NY being the ONLY option.

They just might not like Gallo or Chandler at $8, $9, $10m or more in the next year and could choose cap space over those options.

The one scenario I see them taking back one of those options if they can shed themselves of Harrington.

I don't think the Nuggets want to try to rebuild with Harrington AND one of the Knicks forwards at a much higher salary than they have now.

NYman15 · Post #577 » by **NYman15** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 6:55 pm

Their might just be some sort of compromise if their is a deal between them whether it's more players or taking back extended contracts or draft picks or more teams in the deal.

Fury · Post #578 » by **Fury** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 6:58 pm

FieldsMedal wrote:
Fury wrote:I don't know about that. If it gets to the point where the Nuggets are willing to trade Carmelo to NY because they know he'll go to NY anyway, why would Walsh take back Harrington? It's like if it was accepted he was going to NY, Walsh does not need to help them out by taking back Harrington when he's already giving them a player.

My reasoning is every paragraph above that one. I believe it when it's reported that the Nuggets just may not be enamored by the Knicks players and might let him walk for a trade exception if it comes down to NY being the ONLY option.

They just might not like Gallo or Chandler at $8, $9, $10m or more in the next year and could choose cap space over those options.

The one scenario I see them taking back one of those options if they can shed themselves of Harrington.

I don't think the Nuggets want to try to rebuild with Harrington AND one of the Knicks forwards at a much higher salary than they have now.

So it would be a straight up salary dump and none of the players?

FieldsMedal · Post #579 » by **FieldsMedal** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 7:06 pm

Fury wrote:So it would be a straight up salary dump and none of the players?

No, if the Nuggets wanted to rid themselves of Harrington, they'd HAVE to take some players back.

Curry and Azubuike would be the start. Along with draft picks. Including Harrington would require some other players.

My point is, IF they're genuinely not big fans of Gallo or Chandler, they might not be willing to take them back knowing a big financial commitment is looming. HOWEVER, if they'd essentially be swapping Gallo or Chandler for Harrington, then maybe Nuggs consider it.

I think the camp that believe Denver will choose a Knick rather than get nothing back just can't not believe that the Nuggets wouldn't want one of those players back at the end of the day.

I think it's possible they don't.

Post #580 » by **knicks742** » Mon Jan 3, 2011 7:14 pm

FieldsMedal wrote:
Fury wrote:So it would be a straight up salary dump and none of the players?

No, if the Nuggets wanted to rid themselves of Harrington, they'd HAVE to take some players back.

Curry and Azubuike would be the start. Along with draft picks. Including Harrington would require some other players.

My point is, IF they're genuinely not big fans of Gallo or Chandler, they might not be willing to take them back knowing a big financial commitment is looming. HOWEVER, if they'd essentially be swapping Gallo or Chandler for Harrington, then maybe Nuggs consider it.

I think the camp that believe Denver will choose a Knick rather than get nothing back just can't not believe that the Nuggets wouldn't want one of those players back at the end of the day.

I think it's possible they don't.

Very fair points you have raised. However, I also look at it from a collection of assets type of situation. Obviously, Chandler is an RFA so based on that, I think he is probably the least desirable of the young guys. However, Gallo is an asset that can be traded this summer or the next year. Let's not forget just last year, Tyrus Thomas, who had accomplished even less with the Bulls, was traded for a first rounder and expirings during his RFA season. Or, even if they don't want those guys now and they want immediate returns, it doesn't mean we can't get a third party to give them picks or a young guy in a longer rookie contract if that's more of their preference. If Indiana and Minessotta are willing to surrender first round picks for AR then I imagine Gallo and Chandler will be able to get them even better value than that.