[Camelo Thread 14] - Minny, Denver and NY working!! p28

[HighRyzer83]

I think Denver is seeing what happened to the Cavs and saying we can't let this happen to us and have no leverage since melo has stated its the knicks and only the knicks

Which is why the knicks offering anything at this point is a stupid idea.

[TheBluest]

I never said chandler would replace carmelo's production but from denver point of view it gives them options. They get a chandler, brewer, and a 1st round pick. That gives them options. Chandler is not in the position in the league to demand where he wants to play. He is a young player that is going to be a restricted FA. The team that pays him gets him.

Denver would try to make the playoffs with billups, nene, and chandler. Have a young brewer come off the bench and have a pretty high draft pick for the future.

The question is about Minni they obviously are very high on AR and the curry contract is very attractive to them because it's expiring.

Brewer is RFA I doubt Denver is trying to lock up two small forwards(Chan and Brewer) going forward when they already have Afflalo and Frobes who are certainly better financial options than both. Brewer is not even a sure starter in this league. The point I'm making Denver can solidify playoffs this season(could make a trade to do so at the deadline) while almost getting the same value in return if they deal Melo to us in the summer.

Agreed about Minny's situation, they may value the pick more on draft day even on a trade. Matter of fact considering the SCRUBio situation I doubt they're ready to move their pick but maybe other firsts they possess.

But they run the risk of losing Carmelo for nothing in the offseason. What does a trade exemption do for you? Denver in this trade would get 2 decent young players to help them make a playoff push this year. Plus the get a draft pick which is what they really want. That pick should net them a really good player to sell to the fan base and they save money.

I think Denver is seeing what happened to the Cavs and saying we can't let this happen to us and have no leverage since melo has stated its the knicks and only the knicks

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on how their options can benefit by waiting or not waiting. We actually have options waiting too in case you don't understand this.

[Pharmcat]

this trade doesnt make sense, no wonder its from broussard

why does DEN get 2 wing players when they already have jr, affalo, etc? and those who have FA status coming up themselves too

while i do believe a deal will get done (that gets em a SF and PF), I dont think this is it

[K_ick_God]

why are coaches being discussed?

did mike leave or something?

Nah, it's OT honestly. Just after-hours chatter about replacing MD if we get Melo because we would need a new coach if we do get him. And I am lobbying for Lawrence Frank who I think is the right fit. But it shouldn't go on any longer. OT.

[knicks742]

This deal sounds too good to be true to be honest.

Can someone explain to me how Denver is saving $20M or $25M which I think has been stated in the last few pages?

From a cash out the door perspective - haven't they already paid Melo the bulk of his 10/11 salary already? If he were making $20M a year and we're 3/4 way thru season would they only owe him around $5M.

Not getting the savings part of the deal...

Also wondering does Denver really view Corey Brewer highly?

Personally I like what Khan's doing -- he was right on Love and Beasley from a talent perspective and in this deal he takes on Eddy's expiring payments for a few months, gets rid of a spare part in Brewer and a pretty good #1 pick but he gets a VERY TALENTED young big to add to the mix in Minny. You have to give him credit for being creative and going for TALENT. You could make the argument that Love, Beasley and Randolph are three of the top 15 young talented players in the league.

Luxury tax payments. The luxury tax a team has to pay is calculated based on their roster on the last day of the regular season. That's where most of the savings would be coming from since they would not getting Eddy's salary in this deal.

[mpharris36]

I think Denver is seeing what happened to the Cavs and saying we can't let this happen to us and have no leverage since melo has stated its the knicks and only the knicks

Which is why offering anything at this point is a stupid idea.

well doing the 3 way deal proposed is fine. Chandler isn't staying if we get Melo anyway...dont have the funds to pay both. Curry was going to make room for Melo's money. So basically the only asset we are losing is AR and he just isn't a fit here.

This gets carmelo here this year and jumps us to the 3rd best team in the conference. We are slipping right now and need a spark. Chandler has been playing with his head up his azz and the sixers are gaining groud.

Thats why it makes sense to make the deal now while holding on to gallo and fields

[chandlerlee4]

this is goodbye to my favorite knick

[Fat Kat]

Frank won't get a HC spot for another year or two. He's a sub .500 coach. If we get Melo we have a chance at advancing past the first round. Without him we don't, no matter who the coach is. Get hold of yourself.

Ah, he started off 0-16 with the Nyets. Popovich would have *maybe* been 2-14. The Pat Riley of Lakers would have been 3-13 at best. These are the 09-10 Nets we're talking about.

I was referring to his career. Frank is a career loser. You don't hire a loser to replace a winner. I'm very surprised by your recent string of post KG.

[tangotai]

It makes sense. Denver gets options:
1) They can match whatever offer Wil gets and keep him if they like
2) They can S&T for a player they like better
3) They can let him go and save the money.....

It makes sense.

This still can be done in the off-season as Denver holds Melo's BR's too? All options apply the only difference is Chandler wouldn't actually be an asset of Denver's. Matter of fact Denver has another option in the summer by possibly getting a larger TPE(going after the players they want) from S&T with the Knicks. You realize this right?

Sorry bro but you are wrong on this. Denver has no bird rights on Melo.... while Wil is an RFA on his rookie deal... Melo is an unrestricted FA... he can just walk... Denver might get a pick as comp that all.

[Hitman33]

Nah, it's OT honestly. Just after-hours chatter about replacing MD if we get Melo because we would need a new coach if we do get him. And I am lobbying for Lawrence Frank who I think is the right fit. But it shouldn't go on any longer. OT.

KG- What exactly do you know about Lawrence Frank that convinces you he can coach the Knicks to their first championship since 1973?

[Knicks218]

What should we do with Azubukie and Mason if this deal goes threw?, i think we should go after PF-Reggie evans, SG-Pietrus, or get PG-Telfair in the deal for bukie.

Piertus could be a nice fit he can shoot the 3, he plays D and is athletic. Moving fields to the bench would give us some much needed depth come playoff time.

[mpharris36]

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on how their options can benefit by waiting or not waiting. We actually have options waiting too in case you don't understand this.

I see your points also...but my point was what did the trade exemption get cleveland...the worst team in the nba? I'm sure they would die for a pick and a decent young player. As for the knicks sure they have options. But for the past month we have been playing like azz and chandler has been a huge nancy having these trade rumors messing with him.

Melo getting extension means melo is happy and everyone wants a happy superstar.

[cgmw]

[sol537]

this is not the complete deal. we never hear about all the details until after the trade. won't be surprised if it looks more like:

NY Trades: Curry, Buke, Mason, Chandler, Randolph, Walker, future 2nd, future 1st, $3 Million
NY Receives: 'Melo, Harrington (or Anderson)

with Denver getting multiple picks, Chandler, possibly Walker, expiring deals, and maybe a prospect from Minny.

[HighRyzer83]

I think Denver is seeing what happened to the Cavs and saying we can't let this happen to us and have no leverage since melo has stated its the knicks and only the knicks

Which is why offering anything at this point is a stupid idea.

well doing the 3 way deal proposed is fine. Chandler isn't staying if we get Melo anyway...dont have the funds to pay both. Curry was going to make room for Melo's money. So basically the only asset we are losing is AR and he just isn't a fit here.

This gets carmelo here this year and jumps us to the 3rd best team in the conference. We are slipping right now and need a spark. Chandler has been playing with his head up his azz and the sixers are gaining groud.

Thats why it makes sense to make the deal now while holding on to gallo and fields

My point has been from the beginning that it is imperative to avoid Melo's extension price. That 22 mil per, is crippling it will limit our options drastically, and certainly not worth a player hardly in the top 10 if that. The reg season is already 60% over. All we have to do is wait past the trade deadline and we can get him via FA for a lot cheaper, even still with the new CBA. While holding on to Gallo and Fields and draft picks. Letting Chandler and Curry walk off to hell. Bottom line, we can accomplish all of our objectives just the same by waiting 3 weeks. Denver is the one in must-act now mode. Its a much simpler and more efficient route.

[Grinditout]

If it happens, its a great deal for us. Get er done Donnie.

Also once Curry and Chandler are gone, the last remnants of the Isiah era will be gone.

[cgmw]

This MF'er better not be playing us.

[TheBluest]

Luxury tax payments. The luxury tax a team has to pay is calculated based on their roster on the last day of the regular season. That's where most of the savings would be coming from since they would not getting Eddy's salary in this deal.

Hold up Minny has a TPE from the Al Jeff trade on deck still don't they? If So I see where the savings take place. $10mil off the books and $10mil in Tax Payments. My bad from not catching this. They'd still be over the threshold so I'm sure they'd look to shed more salary off the books.

Also I looked at Denver's cap situation going into next season no Melo. No need for a TPE as they would be under the cap if he's gone. Billups option wouldn't get picked up either, I'm sure. Nene could opt out. But loading the team up with Chandler and Brewer isn't ideal....you can sign Free Agents of your choice outright which that would be my preference if I'm Denver. They don't have too bad a situation in terms of cap if they wait it out.

[quackshot27]

According to Rotoworld...

"Anthony Randolph, who is a key to trade talks for the Knicks, does not appear to be heading to the Timberwolves, according to Rotoworld sources.
Could it still happen? Absolutely. But with Knicks' owner James Dolan still flirting with re-hiring Isiah Thomas, anything is possible. As for now, a deal that would send Randolph to the Wolves appears to be dead, which likely impacts any Carmelo Anthony deal. As of now, treat anything you hear as a rumor until it's proved to be factual and stay the course. Danilo Gallinari is still a safe play in New York, while Randolph still has no fantasy value.""

[Future Soldier]

Pharmcat preaches defense.

The Knicks should fire D'Antoni now

&

hire Pharmcat.

That would solve our problems.