Woj: Pierce and Garnett to Brooklyn?!?

[nykballa2k4]

Deron is better than rondo...deron can actually shoot

Rondo at 11 mil > Deron at the max...

Rondo also has proven to be a winner in a good system. Deron has not produced winning basketball. Rondo is more like Kidd, hence why Kidd said Rondo was the 2nd best pg in the NBA behind Paul.

Rondo can continue to learn how to shoot. Deron cannot learn how to stop being lazy

[KobeDwightPau]

Rondo is better than Deron right now by quite a bit.

No he's not. The rosters he had in Boston made him look great. He has improved in the past two seasons but he could never touch Deron Williams.

Really?

The celtics sucked when rondo was playing with them in the beggining of the season. His team mates hate him, he can't shoot conistently, teams give him a huggge cushion. He will miss the big 3.

[nykballa2k4]

No he's not. The rosters he had in Boston made him look great. He has improved in the past two seasons but he could never touch Deron Williams.

Really?

The celtics sucked when rondo was playing with them in the beggining of the season. His team mates hate him, he can't shoot conistently, teams give him a huggge cushion. He will miss the big 3.

Rondo will be putting up 22 ppg and 10 apg this season with 2 steals per. when that happens, how are your words going to taste?

[KobeDwightPau]

Really?

The celtics sucked when rondo was playing with them in the beggining of the season. His team mates hate him, he can't shoot conistently, teams give him a huggge cushion. He will miss the big 3.

Rondo will be putting up 22 ppg and 10 apg this season with 2 steals per. when that happens, how are your words going to taste?

Kevin love could put up 20 and 15 and the t-wolves will still suck. Rondo could put up 22 and 10 (which he won't) and the celtics will still suck.

[K_ick_God]

Strongly disagree. Deron had a garbage year and is aging early. I'd take Rondo without a second of thought. And that's not even considering their contracts.

Rondo made KG and PP look good despite their decline. He'd transform any roster he was on. He's been their best player for the last couple or perhaps few years.

I don't like Deron and obviously hate the Nets but, especially post Kobe german procedure--Deron looked fantastic last year and I would take him 10/10 times over Rondo. Boston got BETTER after Rondo was hurt last season and, if he's such a great pg, why has Boston ranked near the bottom in offensive efficiency over the last few seasons? The dude can't shoot, stat pads, and is a headcase. He's good but Deron can shoot, is an excellent P&R player and is big enough to take smaller pgs in the post and murder them.

Deron has his own flaws, too. I think he's a poor and passive leader, prone to blame others rather than himself. He also isnt always in the best shape either because of laziness or injury which clearly hurts his performance. He's a bit too passive for my taste down the stretch.

Don't know what you were watching but I saw Deron be not awesome against the Bulls when it counted. Actually he fell flat, again, and helped them to their demise.

[nykballa2k4]

The celtics sucked when rondo was playing with them in the beggining of the season. His team mates hate him, he can't shoot conistently, teams give him a huggge cushion. He will miss the big 3.

Rondo will be putting up 22 ppg and 10 apg this season with 2 steals per. when that happens, how are your words going to taste?

Kevin love could put up 20 and 15 and the t-wolves will still suck. Rondo could put up 22 and 10 (which he won't) and the celtics will still suck.

Which makes Deron's numbers on the Lotto Nets even more embarrassing. Hence why Rondo > Deron

[Knicks_Fan2]

Strongly disagree. Deron had a garbage year and is aging early. I'd take Rondo without a second of thought. And that's not even considering their contracts.

Rondo made KG and PP look good despite their decline. He'd transform any roster he was on. He's been their best player for the last couple or perhaps few years.

I don't like Deron and obviously hate the Nets but, especially post Kobe german procedure--Deron looked fantastic last year and I would take him 10/10 times over Rondo. Boston got BETTER after Rondo was hurt last season and, if he's such a great pg, why has Boston ranked near the bottom in offensive efficiency over the last few seasons? The dude can't shoot, stat pads, and is a headcase. He's good but Deron can shoot, is an excellent P&R player and is big enough to take smaller pgs in the post and murder them.

Deron has his own flaws, too. I think he's a poor and passive leader, prone to blame others rather than himself. He also isnt always in the best shape either because of laziness or injury which clearly hurts his performance. He's a bit too passive for my taste down the stretch.

Don't know what you were watching but I saw Deron be not awesome against the Bulls when it counted. Actually he fell flat, again, and helped them to their demise.

By no means do I think Deron is perfect but I'd take him over Rondo. Deron seems super passive, especially down the stretch of games, though I will admit the offense they were running did him no favors.

[Knicker23]

I'd say Nets have themselves one of the most well rounded starting lineups in the league. PP and KG may be old, but they have 5 legit guys thaey can put on the floor that could take the last shot and each put some scare in any team. Joe Johnson and PP are a pretty good combo to have taking your last shot - especially if it's against the Knicks of course.. and they aren't even the most talented guys of the group.

However i'd say like most things Nets, they're getting overhyped. They may have a very solid overall 1-5 lineup, but when youre playing other top teams, it's still the top talent that matters. That's where I think PP and KG have taken a step back, they won't consistently hit big shots like they did in Boston... which puts it back on Deron Brook and JJ... And while I think they're good enough to make some noise, i'm not sure they're talented enough to beat a Miami.. Not to mention their bench.

That's why someone like Melo is so valuable. I don't care how many names or how solid the Nets lineup as a whole is... Melo can still go lights out in a way none of them really can, which will always put the Knicks in a possibility to W. It's just too bad we haven't done all that great a job building around that.

[therealbig3]

I know you guys hate Nets fans hanging around, so this will be my last post:

How on earth can anyone still think Rondo is better than Deron? Even if you think Deron is overrated, he's clearly a positive impact player and he's clearly a guy that can be the lead guard on a successful offense.

Rondo as the lead guard has led atrocious offenses despite stacked offensive supporting casts, and the Celtics played WAY better without him this year. And when you watch them play, how do you not see Deron creating a lot more offense than Rondo? He doesn't just stand there for 10 seconds, wait for a shooter to come off screens, and then pass them the ball for the assist.

I won't get into defense, but I admit Deron isn't all that great, but neither is Rondo. Whatever advantage he has there is really quite small compared to the offensive gap.

My post is less to do with Deron and more to do with Rondo...how do people still see him as some elite PG, when all of the results clearly point to the opposite?

Which makes Deron's numbers on the Lotto Nets even more embarrassing. Hence why Rondo > Deron

So, Rondo will make everyone shut up by putting up 22/10 on a bad team, but Deron's performance was embarrassing when he put up 22/9 on a bad team?

And LOL at Rondo getting 22/10. Can he even average 15 ppg without his efficiency falling off a cliff (not to mention that his efficiency in getting 11-14 ppg was crap anyway)? Especially without Rivers, KG, and Pierce?

[kosmovitelli]

At this point, Deron is better than Rondo but if you take into account potential and contract, Rondo is paid like Tony Parker (approx $12 mil per season) and I think he can have a similar career. Parker was also supposed to have his production inflated by the presence of Duncan and Ginobili around him. Tony Parker made significant progress at the end of the previous decade (circa 2007-2009) and that's where he truly started to become a potential franchise player and an elite PG. Duncan and Ginobili got older and Pop gave him more responsabilities. Properly coached I think Rondo can have a similar career but right now Deron's obviously better IMO. I dislike Deron (because he ran Jerry Sloan out of town in Utah) and always prefered Chris Paul but you need to acknowledge Deron's impact on his team (in Utah and Brooklyn).

About the blockbuster trade, I think it's a fantastic trade from a marketing/PR standpoint. It truly puts the Nets on the map and makes them relevant, with Jason Kidd as coach, KG and Pierce, they will get national and worldwide exposure on TV. As they're the second team of NY, I can understand that trade from that strategic marketing point of view and from the ownership's side. Trade talks already generated lot of buzz and Nets already indicated ticket prices will go up next season to reflect the renewed interest in the franchise. Prokhorov said he wanted his team to win a title before 2015 and Billy King acted accordingly by putting all his eggs in the same basket and trying to win at all costs. The Knicks are the best team in NY, they have the basketball history and the brand. Nets aren't a brand like Knicks, Lakers, Bulls or Celtics but this trade will certainly help them close the gap a bit. Now, from a basketball point of view, that trade won't push the Nets over the top, I don't think they're a top 3 team in the East, they only secured the second round of the playoffs and I'm not even sure of that. Just like the Lakers last year, they have so many conflicting personalities and potential sources of chaos (a new coach, two new veteran starters : Nash/Dwight vs KG/Pierce, some unhappy players, etc.) I wouldn't even be surprised to see that team implode. Not to mention they don't have enough speed on the wings. Not a fan of the direction of that team, same for Knicks. Both teams mismanaged their assets trying to lure big names and win now at all costs with no real plan to win a championship. Both are bound to fail.

[projectpaki]

Are you f ucking sh itting me???

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When has anyone in Knicks history ever sacrificed $ to come play here?? Instead players use us as leverage to sign elsewhere. Thats some bull