Star Wars Episode VIII - SPOILERS

[jvsimonetti0514]

Also can we talk about how "progressive" Star Wars claims to be yet they relegated all the major minorities in here to a c plot revolving around social issues and having little to do with the actual plot?

Does Star Wars/Disney actually make that claim? I think those are fans/critics who say that.

TLJ did continue Disney's trend of strong women in leadership/important roles (Leia, Holdo, Rey, Phasma) following up on Jyn Erso and Iden Versio. My wife was never a Star Wars fan but she admitted this change has made her far more interested so I guess Disney is doing something right. Gender gets priority over race in this trilogy, maybe in Johnson's own trilogy he'll make sure race gets top billing.

Right, but Rey had no real development, Holdo was just a series of bad cliches, and Phasma was barely used and then killed off. I think it’s great that they are starting to feature more females, but the next step needs to be creating and developing three-dimensional female characters. The only characters in TLJ that went through any growth/arc at all were men.

I think Disney is afraid to give the women any character flaws because they'll be attacked by SJW's. I think in one of the Avenger films Black Widow had a miscarriage or something and Joss Whedon had to delete his twitter for a while because he was being harassed. For a second, I thought Vice Admiral Gender Studies was going to make a mansplaining joke to Poe. It was so cringey. IMO both Rose and Holdo really added nothing to the story and I was really disappointed they Finn was pushed into the background.

[Dantares]

Just saw it. Freaking amazing. I liked when Yoda was teaching Luke his last lesson. We all remember when Luke was a young, naive stubborn kid when Yoda first trained him, it felt that way again.

If they kill Leia next movie it will be sad the 3 main characters from episode 4 all died. But the torch has to be passed, this is a new generation of star wars.

[metafisical]

Also can we talk about how "progressive" Star Wars claims to be yet they relegated all the major minorities in here to a c plot revolving around social issues and having little to do with the actual plot?

At least they didn't get the "conniving Jew, sinister inscrutable Chinaman, and shucking and jiving Jamaican" treatment that George Lucas would have given them. Baby steps.

I will never be satisfied until Star Wars is 50% Asian. I am hoping in episode 9, Rey and Ren are randomly changed into Asians. That would be cool. Oh and Luke and Poe too. And Leia.

[N Y K]

Low-key R2D2 convincing Luke to go with Rey was one of the most satisfying and touching scenes from a star wars movie ever to me.

[Knicks_Fan2]

The problem for me really starts with the premise underlying the entire trilogy--that the republic, after just 30 years, fell apart to an uprising that, within such a short span of time, was able to create a weapon multiple times more powerful than the death star and had the infrastucture to essentially turn into the entire empire. If only they decided on a fresh take with the First Order really being an uprising from an element of the empire that was different in nature from the empire from the original trilogy, the entire story would be much more interesting. Instead, within half a movie, we just have the same ole republic v. empire which renders the original trilogy entirely inconsequential.

[N Y K]

The problem for me really starts with the premise underlying the entire trilogy--that the republic, after just 30 years, fell apart to an uprising that, within such a short span of time, was able to create a weapon multiple times more powerful than the death star and had the infrastucture to essentially turn into the entire empire. If only they decided on a fresh take with the First Order really being an uprising from an element of the empire that was different in nature from the empire from the original trilogy, the entire story would be much more interesting. Instead, within half a movie, we just have the same ole republic v. empire which renders the original trilogy entirely inconsequential.

yo, innovation curve, bro... you don't even know!

[Sark]

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[Oscirus]

Also can we talk about how "progressive" Star Wars claims to be yet they relegated all the major minorities in here to a c plot revolving around social issues and having little to do with the actual plot?

At least they didn't get the "conniving Jew, sinister inscrutable Chinaman, and shucking and jiving Jamaican" treatment that George Lucas would have given them. Baby steps.

I will never be satisfied until Star Wars is 50% Asian. I am hoping in episode 9, Rey and Ren are randomly changed into Asians. That would be cool. Oh and Luke and Poe too. And Leia.

The problem with Star Wars isn't diversity, it's their refusal to use those they have. Lando shouldn't be contributing more to his trilogy than Finn does. If all Disney is looking for is for someone of a different race to put on the poster, they can **** off with that.

[shtolky]

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[prophet_of_rage]

I'm watching the trilogy and it occurred to me all the complaints about TLJ trivialising the questions asked in TFA should note that TPM turned the force into nothing more than a viral load everyone carries, the origin of the Empire was a trade dispute, not the heady stuff of fantasies. And as for the SJW feminist argument, Naboo elected Queens, Leia led the rebellion, Mon Motha was the top general at one point. There was always a strong female leadership presence in the Republic-Rebellion-Resistance.

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[IllmaticHandler]

I'm watching the trilogy and it occurred to me all the complaints about TLJ trivialising the questions asked in TFA should note that TPM turned the force into nothing more than a viral load everyone carries, the origin of the Empire was a trade dispute, not the heady stuff of fantasies. And as for the SJW feminist argument, Naboo elected Queens, Leia led the rebellion, Mon Motha was the top general at one point. There was always a strong female leadership presence in the Republic-Rebellion-Resistance.

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That's an exaggeration considering we have this quote from Yoda in ESB.... If anything the TPM expands on this premise.

"For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you. Here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere! Yes, even between the land and the ship."

[Dr. Detfink]

Ah, all the backlash was amusing...but I mean, the Last Jedi was a HUGE passing of the baton, waaaay more than the Force Bored Me.

You can't expect to break new ground and every one to go along with it. You're ENDING the childhood of my generation whom Star Wars was BORN for and inspired by. That said, I no longer have investment in Star Wars.

Here's the thing, will the trilogy AFTER the IX inspire the younger masses to pay even MORE money for Disney's pockets?

Give you an example, Marvel Comic books collapsed in sales after they tried to pass the baton, thinking more females, gays, transgender would pay $4 per book. Guess what? Didn't work. Disney fired Axel. They went on a "re-structuring."

And that's the question...will these kids buy the toys, support the franchise for another 10-20 yrs? I don't think so. I think Star Wars is another flavor to them.

[Oscirus]

And as for the SJW feminist argument, Naboo elected Queens, Leia led the rebellion, Mon Motha was the top general at one point. There was always a strong female leadership presence in the Republic-Rebellion-Resistance.

On one hand the makers of this film were clearly overcompensating, on the other hand, the majority of the people who make that sjw feminist argument are racist misogynists who are too stupid to realize that Oscar Isaac is clearly playing a white dude meaning a white dude's about to be the head of the rebellion. So no, the movie's clearly not saying all white males are scum.

You can't expect to break new ground and every one to go along with it. You're ENDING the childhood of my generation whom Star Wars was BORN for and inspired by. That said, I no longer have investment in Star Wars.

Thing is most people would've went along with it if they had bothered to show Luke any respect on the way out the door. This backlash is on disney for not realizing that simple fact.

[N Y K]

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[prophet_of_rage]

I'm watching the trilogy and it occurred to me all the complaints about TLJ trivialising the questions asked in TFA should note that TPM turned the force into nothing more than a viral load everyone carries, the origin of the Empire was a trade dispute, not the heady stuff of fantasies. And as for the SJW feminist argument, Naboo elected Queens, Leia led the rebellion, Mon Motha was the top general at one point. There was always a strong female leadership presence in the Republic-Rebellion-Resistance.

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That's an exaggeration considering we have this quote from Yoda in ESB.... If anything the TPM expands on this premise.

"For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you. Here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere! Yes, even between the land and the ship."

How do you use a quote from Empire Strikes Back to support something stated in the Phantom Menace which was filmed 19 years later? ESB never discussed checking blood for midichlorian counts that enabled the carrier to use the force. It went from spirituality to a viral load.


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[IllmaticHandler]

I'm watching the trilogy and it occurred to me all the complaints about TLJ trivialising the questions asked in TFA should note that TPM turned the force into nothing more than a viral load everyone carries, the origin of the Empire was a trade dispute, not the heady stuff of fantasies. And as for the SJW feminist argument, Naboo elected Queens, Leia led the rebellion, Mon Motha was the top general at one point. There was always a strong female leadership presence in the Republic-Rebellion-Resistance.

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That's an exaggeration considering we have this quote from Yoda in ESB.... If anything the TPM expands on this premise.

"For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you. Here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere! Yes, even between the land and the ship."

How do you use a quote from Empire Strikes Back to support something stated in the Phantom Menace which was filmed 19 years later? ESB never discussed checking blood for midichlorian counts that enabled the carrier to use the force. It went from spirituality to a viral load.


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How do you sit there and try to sum up the TPM as just making the force a viral load that everyone carries. Also Technically it still is "spirituality", because tapping into it is the same as ESB... You have to go WITHIN. How blind are you to miss that Yoda said the force is IN EVERYONE and EVERYTHING, which the Phantom menace expounds on . Also not everyone Midiclorain count is high enough to access it, which again proves not everyone can wield the force.

A Force-sensitive, also known as a Forceful, was a being who was highly attuned to the flow of the Force. Force-sensitives could, with training, learn to sense and manipulate the Force. Force sensitives who gained powers and abilities through the Force became Force Adepts.

The Jedi Order took Force-sensitive children at a very young age (typically until the age of three, but preferably earlier) to start training them to become Jedi. A notable exception to this was Anakin Skywalker, who was accepted for Jedi training when he was just under 10 years old, which would ultimately prove to be the downfall of the Jedi.

A midi-chlorian count through special testing could determine how strong one was in the Force.

One of the most spiritual Jedi of the series in the movie which is Jinn(its the only way he was able to obtain the skill to become a force Ghost) He treats the force no different than Yoda Does in ESB, he does not change anything about it in Nature. You sound real crazy saying thats all the TPM does.

[ibraheim718]

Damn.. y'all are even going in on star wars.

[N Y K]

Funny how the recent drop in ticket sales coincides with an "I shouldn't have said all those things" from Hamill...

[thebuzzardman]

The "Force" was just something Lucas ripped off from Carlos Castenada's hippy dippy pseudo anthropological bullsh*t "Don Juan And The Yaqui Way of Knowledge"

On the plus side, Carlos made a mint off those books and when he was older, lived in a house with 3 women who called themselves "witches" and all of whom he was boning. Not a bad ride through life.

[thebuzzardman]

Yeah, Carlos was quite the guy: https://www.salon.com/2007/04/12/castaneda/