Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks

Oscirus · Post #561 » by **Oscirus** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:02 am

Melo, you only have one year left, at least hear out other teams offers before you say no.

DOLPHIN2020 · Post #562 » by **DOLPHIN2020** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:18 am

Oscirus wrote:Melo, you only have one year left, at least hear out other teams offers before you say no.

melo ain't opting out next year of his 30mm salary, so he views it as 2 yrs remaining.

No point trading him for the Rockets garbage just to please Melo. keep him on the team another year and see what he does. if he wants to collect his paychecks this year, he will have to show up to work.

Jump Shot · Post #563 » by **Jump Shot** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:42 am

Eff Melo

That's all I have to say.

NYKnicks6 · Post #564 » by **NYKnicks6** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:37 am

Melo wants Houston.
Houston wants Melo.
CP3 wants Melo.

Morey needs to do his due diligence and find a trade that makes sense for us. We don't have to trade him if all we are getting is a bad return. Mills and Perry need to hold their ground.

KnicksGadfly · Post #565 » by **KnicksGadfly** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:54 am

Polk377 wrote:
Wolfgang630 wrote:
Polk377 wrote:I don't know if you can call a group of people who I'm sure of haven't watched many full games in the last few years, cheer for the team to lose every year for a lottery ticket and hate on every move they make a "fan base"........

Yeah people like Hinkie who made sure his team tanked and lost games must've not been a fan of the Sixers....

Running a Ponzi Scheme against your own fan base like Hinkie did was disgraceful. You understand that they were literally stealing money from paying fans right? Why do you think the NBA stepped in and forced Bryan Colangelo to take control of basketball operations? Please feel free to go cheer for the Sixers.

We were ponzi schemed these past few years. Sold false hope and ended up in a worse place compared to the Sixers. Why don't you go root for the Kings, if you like dumb management and mediocrity?

Hinkie, at least, told the truth and got fans on board with trust the process. He also won most of the trades he made.

If the Knicks decide to tank, I will support it one hundred percent. And I'm looking forward to these next rebuilding years very much. I'll definitely trust the process.

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Rodimus921 · Post #566 » by **Rodimus921** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:56 am

Knicks can't get a decent offer, then No sense of trading him. The team can move on with or without him. If he refuses to report for camp he will be fined. If he misses games he will be awol. Could he be suspended to refuse to play ? Possibly. It's not like he's a free agent and there is a contract dispute. He is under contract. A contract that you signed to play 82 games. If he hates playing here so much, then opt out during end of the season. Enjoy being 34 and leaving your last 30 million for the season on the table. If not then he needs to add more teams to his list.

Post #567 » by **duetta** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:20 am

malik959 wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/07/18/carmelo-doesnt-want-to-talk-to-knicks-just-be-traded/
According to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, who commented on the Knicks’ situation during a “SportsCenter” appearance Tuesday morning, Anthony “has made it clear to [the Knicks]: I want to go to Houston. I am not interested in talking to you about being reincorporated back into this New York roster.”

Can we end this already and move on please!

The problem is that he doesn't have a choice. Of course, were he willing to offer the Knicks a generous buyout number in exchange for his freedom, I'm sure that they would be happy to let him go anywhere he wants. But there's no way that would I want the lion's share of his remaining contract on my cap if he's playing for someone else.

The Knicks are absolutely right to play hardball in these negotiations, both with the player and other teams.

thebuzzardman · Post #568 » by **thebuzzardman** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:51 am

NYKnicks6 wrote:Melo wants Houston.
Houston wants Melo.
CP3 wants Melo.

Morey needs to do his due diligence and find a trade that makes sense for us. We don't have to trade him if all we are getting is a bad return. Mills and Perry need to hold their ground.

Morey is this awesome wheeler dealer and suddenly his skills escape him. Oh, that's right, they aren't in the service of ass raping another team and he has to come up with something fair.

Morey's trying to get cute here. Once it's clear he can't, the deal happens. It's like, Morey thinking he can trade all his assets to get Paul then get Melo for pennies on the dollar. GTFO with that, Morey. You want what you see as a final piece for a few deep playoff runs, you have to sacrifice a bit, and that probably means surrendering 2 #1 picks - one to the Knicks, and another to Portland for them being able to take that sh*te contract of Anderson. And you have to help them find a partner for Leonard, part of the price of getting to move Ryno.

PeoplesChamp · Post #569 » by **PeoplesChamp** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:55 am

whocares1 wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
whocares1 wrote:Im not sure why the Knicks expect to get assets and cap space in this trade. I thought people wanted to take on bad contracts for assets and here we are not doing it.

You know why. We have shown time and again that we value cap space & free agency over asset acquisition.

It's not even just the Knicks. Everyone here expects the Knicks to get no long term contracts AND a multitude of assets for Melo. That's just not realistic at all. What's the obsession for cap space when no one significant wants to play here?

Conversely the Knicks can't take on a bad contract plus garbage players just for the sake of getting a deal done. It's up to Houston to sweeten the pot to make it palateable for the Knicks or a 3rd team to take on someone like Ryan Anderson.

xsaberx · Post #570 » by **xsaberx** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:09 pm

The way I see it is we don't want to give Melo to the Rockets for nothing

Nothing = expiring garbage

I want something from Houston - it could be a draft pick, a first or second year player with potential, or a starting quality player that is 25ish or under.

The only one of these that Houston has is the draft pick

So if Houston could offer us expiring garbage, I'd want their 2020 pick unprotected as the asset for Melo - I think anyone would find this as totally reasonable

Now since Houston is not able to offer us expiring garbage but is instead only able to offer 3 years of garbage at a high price - Ryan Anderson - I want a 2021 pick swap option, and the 2022 pick unprotected to take on the garbage

I would then know that I can move Anderson if I need to clear cap space next summer if I use one of these assets

If next summer, there is a good free agent signing I want to make: I then offer a team the worst of our two 2020 picks (top 5 protected, with 2022 being the alternate if they are both top 5) to move Anderson next summer. Even if I trade the pick without protection (I'm sure we can get top 3 at least), I basically traded Melo for a pick and an expiring - the pick swap is my price for dealing with the headache of having and moving Anderson next summer.

newyorker4ever · Post #571 » by **newyorker4ever** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:13 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-jump/id1106886477?mt=2&i=1000389806678

A rational podcast from rational media members.

The best part is Ohm's reaction to moron Knicks fans tweeting him begging for Melo to leave & calling him a cancer. His response was pretty much are you crazy. This organization is the cancer and has treated him like trash the last 6 months. Melo owes them nothing after all this.

They're right.

It's good to know logical people can see Melo for what he is and see this post apocalyptic wasteland of a franchise for what it is.

Did anyone bring up Melo running coaches and players off and not trying to change his game to fit what the coaches wanted to run? Or anything about the only teams Melo will accept a trade to are teams that have nothing to give us in a return?? Or was it only that Phil publicly said the ball stops when Melo gets it?? What else did Melo have to go through besides Phil saying that and openly saying he'd be better off on a team he can have a chance to win with??

You mean did they bring up

a coach (singular) quitting?

A player not suiting up for the playoffs so he can get paid?

A player asked to run an antiquated system that almost nobody else wanted to run since it didn't fit the personnel, even though he ran it the year before and didn't say a word?

Nope. They didn't mention that.

Here's what they mentioned:

A list of teams that he would choose to waive his NTC for, something the Knicks gave to him, who will be contenders, after spending years watching this crap franchise spiral into irrelevance.

The 6+ months of bashing in public without anything but a professional response from Melo.

How terribly run this franchise has been outside the 3 years when we first traded for Melo

Sooooooooooo no then, got it.

Melo love is real

NYKnicks6 · Post #572 » by **NYKnicks6** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:18 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
NYKnicks6 wrote:Melo wants Houston.
Houston wants Melo.
CP3 wants Melo.

Morey needs to do his due diligence and find a trade that makes sense for us. We don't have to trade him if all we are getting is a bad return. Mills and Perry need to hold their ground.

Morey is this awesome wheeler dealer and suddenly his skills escape him. Oh, that's right, they aren't in the service of ass raping another team and he has to come up with something fair.

Morey's trying to get cute here. Once it's clear he can't, the deal happens. It's like, Morey thinking he can trade all his assets to get Paul then get Melo for pennies on the dollar. GTFO with that, Morey. You want what you see as a final piece for a few deep playoff runs, you have to sacrifice a bit, and that probably means surrendering 2 #1 picks - one to the Knicks, and another to Portland for them being able to take that sh*te contract of Anderson. And you have to help them find a partner for Leonard, part of the price of getting to move Ryno.

I completely agree. He got one over on us during the Tmac deal years ago and now thinks he will have his way again. This time it's not us that is desperate to make the move, he is. If he doesn't want to disgruntle CP3 from day 1 he will make this trade happen. He gave up assets to get CP3 and would be a shame for him to just be a 1 yr rental. Time for him to get off his ass and earn that paycheck.

F N 11 · Post #573 » by **F N 11** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:46 pm

Lmao at Isola's saving face article. Hack hack hack

Post #574 » by **moocow007** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:49 pm

The funniest thing is that Morey probably is hoping that the Knicks front office react like some of you guys that just want to "get it over with" and "trade him for whatever" and "move on".

Good thing the Knicks front office apparently is finally thinking with the big head.

Post #575 » by **mpharris36** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:51 pm

moocow007 wrote:The funniest thing is that Morey probably is hoping that the Knicks front office react like some of you guys that just want to "get it over with" and "trade him for whatever" and "move on".

Good thing the Knicks front office apparently is finally thinking with the big head.

there is def a part of me as a fan because even though we will be stinking I watch almost every game and don't want to deal with this sh*t all year.

However I understand the importance the front office is trying to extract as much value as possible...if we have demands there is no need to lessen them. We set them and HOU either gives us what we want or doesn't get Melo.

Post #576 » by **moocow007** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:53 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
moocow007 wrote:The funniest thing is that Morey probably is hoping that the Knicks front office react like some of you guys that just want to "get it over with" and "trade him for whatever" and "move on".

Good thing the Knicks front office apparently is finally thinking with the big head.

there is def a part of me as a fan because even though we will be stinking I watch almost every game and don't want to deal with this sh*t all year.

However I understand the importance the front office is trying to extract as much value as possible...if we have demands there is no need to lessen them. We set them and HOU either gives us what we want or doesn't get Melo.

Exactly.

NYKnicks6 · Post #577 » by **NYKnicks6** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:55 pm

moocow007 wrote:The funniest thing is that Morey probably is hoping that the Knicks front office react like some of you guys that just want to "get it over with" and "trade him for whatever" and "move on".

Good thing the Knicks front office apparently is finally thinking with the big head.

I seriously do not understand why some people are rushing to get this done. Those same people will be complaining about how awful the trade is when we end up with Evan Turner and Myles Leonard. We have 2 months to get a deal done. Be patient and make make the deal that makes most sense for us.

MrProb · Post #578 » by **MrProb** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:55 pm

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F N 11 · Post #579 » by **F N 11** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:56 pm

moocow007 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
moocow007 wrote:The funniest thing is that Morey probably is hoping that the Knicks front office react like some of you guys that just want to "get it over with" and "trade him for whatever" and "move on".

Good thing the Knicks front office apparently is finally thinking with the big head.

there is def a part of me as a fan because even though we will be stinking I watch almost every game and don't want to deal with this sh*t all year.

However I understand the importance the front office is trying to extract as much value as possible...if we have demands there is no need to lessen them. We set them and HOU either gives us what we want or doesn't get Melo.

Exactly.

Yeah I don't want to deal with the drama but I also understand that it takes 2 to tangle. Why must the Knicks give in when they are the one with the superior player. Gtfoh! New Regime b**ch!!!

Post #580 » by **mpharris36** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:59 pm

K P 6 wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
there is def a part of me as a fan because even though we will be stinking I watch almost every game and don't want to deal with this sh*t all year.

However I understand the importance the front office is trying to extract as much value as possible...if we have demands there is no need to lessen them. We set them and HOU either gives us what we want or doesn't get Melo.

Exactly.

Yeah I don't want to deal with the drama but I also understand that it takes 2 to tangle. Why must the Knicks give in when they are the one with the superior player. Gtfoh! New Regime b**ch!!!

i think Morey believes the media sh*t show might be too much to deal with but do they realize who we are we have been dealing with this as a franchise for how many years???