2017/2018 NBA Trade/Wishing Well Thread (Cont.)

[HarthorneWingo]

getting kemba is like drafting DSJ.... so with that being said, get him here (in 2019 though, lets build our core first.)

kemba
frank
troy brown jr
julius randle
KP


6th man: timmy

I can see we have more work to do.

[Greenie]

I think Kemba is a lock to the Knicks in 2019 Free Agency

Nope.

Charlotte has his money.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Better idea

Trade Lee / LFT for shorter contracts assets cap space

Develop the kids

Add another stud from this draft

Have a situation that is palatable for Walker to sign here in 2019

Or keep going for the low hanging fruit in front of us

lee and lance don't even free up useful cap space with the noah contract and KP's extension looming.

if kanter walks, then maybe you consider it. but if kanter opts in or extends, you might as well keep lee and lance until their expiring seasons, which is also noah's.

funny thing is, timmy probably opts out that 2020 offseason too.

there ain't nobody worth money we could clear this offseason. "roll that schidt over," as someone used to say.

[3toheadmelo]

getting kemba is like drafting DSJ.... so with that being said, get him here (in 2019 though, lets build our core first.)

kemba
frank
troy brown jr
julius randle
KP


6th man: timmy

I can see we have more work to do.

[dakomish23]

getting kemba is like drafting DSJ.... so with that being said, get him here (in 2019 though, lets build our core first.)

kemba
frank
troy brown jr
julius randle
KP


6th man: timmy

I can see we have more work to do.

I’d love to see your take on it

[GONYK]

no, I wouldn’t want Kemba as my PG moving forward...he’s good, but I don’t think he’s some huge game changer

Would you say the same about Dame Lillard? because they're practically identical statistically the past 3 years...

I wouldn't do it for Lillard either if the future 1st was unprotected

[nykballa2k4]

ITT: People who don't know how good Kemba has actually been. If he was pushed by a big sneaker company, rapped in his free time, or was in a big market he'd be much more appreciated. Not saying the package OP listed is something I would give up but if Charlotte came in asking for our 1st this year/ Bulls pick/ and Hernangomez I would do it in a heartbeat.

I’d wait b/c I do think we can sign him in 2019, if we open up the space.

But he is being criminally underrated in this thread. I guess that’s expected since some think AD isn’t that great

I agree. Like I said earlier, him and Dame have almost identical numbers over the past 3 years and even if you give Dame the slight edge offensively, Kemba has always been a more focused defender than Dame has. Whether it's through trade (as long as it's reasonable and doesn't involve Frank or Kp obviously) or FA I would welcome Kemba with open arms.

Dame is a full rung above Kemba. I would be all about getting Walker here, but def not at OP price. Lillard is a better shooter. FT% highlights that fact. TS%, eFG% show the disparity between the guys. Could Kemba continue improving as a shooter? I suppose.. but Lillards near 90% ft suggests that he will age gracefully whereas Kemba, as soon as he loses a step, will no longer be able to generate space he needs, lift he needs, and take the beating he does.

As for defense, Lillard IIRC is bigger, has a better frame for defense. Kemba is more like AI in terms of defense. He gets steals/fast breaks but his man to man will be a ? It's similar to Isaiah Thomas in that regard. On draft day, I don't think I would send any of our current picks, but if they wanted some other pieces it could be arranged. Depending on Franks evolution, perhaps JUST him along with Kantar would be a deal to discuss. Right now we don't really know what we have in Frank. Is he Rondo with a 3? Or is he Mardy Collins with a 3?

[nykballa2k4]

I think Kemba is a lock to the Knicks in 2019 Free Agency

Nope.

Charlotte has his money.

It will be interesting to see the contract that IT gets this summer. That should go a long way to predicting Kemba's contract...

[dakomish23]

Better idea

Trade Lee / LFT for shorter contracts assets cap space

Develop the kids

Add another stud from this draft

Have a situation that is palatable for Walker to sign here in 2019

Or keep going for the low hanging fruit in front of us

lee and lance don't even free up useful cap space with the noah contract and KP's extension looming.

if kanter walks, then maybe you consider it. but if kanter opts in or extends, you might as well keep lee and lance until their expiring seasons, which is also noah's.

funny thing is, timmy probably opts out that 2020 offseason too.

there ain't nobody worth money we could clear this offseason. "roll that schidt over," as someone used to say.

It’s about 13 mil you open up if you get expiring deals for Lee LFT. I forgot to mention stretching Noah. That’s about 6-7 more. KP has a huge cap hold

I think we can do it.

[Knicksfan1992]

I’d wait b/c I do think we can sign him in 2019, if we open up the space.

But he is being criminally underrated in this thread. I guess that’s expected since some think AD isn’t that great

I agree. Like I said earlier, him and Dame have almost identical numbers over the past 3 years and even if you give Dame the slight edge offensively, Kemba has always been a more focused defender than Dame has. Whether it's through trade (as long as it's reasonable and doesn't involve Frank or Kp obviously) or FA I would welcome Kemba with open arms.

Dame is a full rung above Kemba. I would be all about getting Walker here, but def not at OP price. Lillard is a better shooter. FT% highlights that fact. TS%, eFG% show the disparity between the guys. Could Kemba continue improving as a shooter? I suppose.. but Lillards near 90% ft suggests that he will age gracefully whereas Kemba, as soon as he loses a step, will no longer be able to generate space he needs, lift he needs, and take the beating he does.

As for defense, Lillard IIRC is bigger, has a better frame for defense. Kemba is more like AI in terms of defense. He gets steals/fast breaks but his man to man will be a ? It's similar to Isaiah Thomas in that regard. On draft day, I don't think I would send any of our current picks, but if they wanted some other pieces it could be arranged. Depending on Franks evolution, perhaps JUST him along with Kantar would be a deal to discuss. Right now we don't really know what we have in Frank. Is he Rondo with a 3? Or is he Mardy Collins with a 3?

Yes Lillard has better measurables for defense but he hasn't really ever given any effort on that end since he's been in the league and most of his metrics for that end have him as one of the worst pg defenders in the league in the past few seasons. Kemba does have a physical disadvantage on that end and he can get screened off at times because of how small he is, but he's got great instincts and you're going to get mostly great effort from him every night.

And yeah sure Lillard scores a tad bit more but efficiency wise they're almost exactly the same.

Lillard the past 3 years (Cumulatively) is at 25.9/6.4/4.6 on 43/36.8/90 splits and a 57% TS%

Walker is at 21.8/5.4/4.1 on 43.3/37.8/85.1 splits and a 56% TS% over the same time span.

I don't think that's exactly a "rung above" imo and actually I think it would be a better fit for us with KP to have someone like Kemba who doesn't shoot or hold the ball as much.

And if you put much into box score stats defensively, Kembas DBPM is at -0.9 over that span while Lillard is at -1.8 DBPM and Kembas steal % is at 1.8 while Lillard's is at 1.2. Also Kemba has been higher on ESPN's Defensive RPM list the past 3 seasons as well. Not the end all be all but most metrics point to Kemba being noticeably better.

I also think Frank would be a good fit with Kemba because Kemba is really good at slithering into the paint off of picks... something Frank seems to be less inclined to and I don't think that has to do with pure athleticism as you insinuated. kemba has really good change of pace and and a really nice handle. That won't go away with age. He can play at multiple speeds. His hesitations and crosses absolutely freeze big men on pick and rolls.

[blueNorange]

lol kemba walker isn't even that good, he is what he is .. a low efficient pg that shoots too much because he lacks true pg attributes.

[blueNorange]

no, I wouldn’t want Kemba as my PG moving forward...he’s good, but I don’t think he’s some huge game changer

Would you say the same about Dame Lillard? because they're practically identical statistically the past 3 years...

this isn't true at all.

[blueNorange]

ITT: People who don't know how good Kemba has actually been. If he was pushed by a big sneaker company, rapped in his free time, or was in a big market he'd be much more appreciated. Not saying the package OP listed is something I would give up but if Charlotte came in asking for our 1st this year/ Bulls pick/ and Hernangomez I would do it in a heartbeat.

no.

we all know who kemba walker is, we all saw him play with uconn.

his game doesn't win games, his game can be contained easily, his game gets exposed vs tight defense.

[blueNorange]

getting kemba is like drafting DSJ.... so with that being said, get him here (in 2019 though, lets build our core first.)

kemba
frank
troy brown jr
julius randle
KP


6th man: timmy

wow a 20 win team, nice job.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Better idea

Trade Lee / LFT for shorter contracts assets cap space

Develop the kids

Add another stud from this draft

Have a situation that is palatable for Walker to sign here in 2019

Or keep going for the low hanging fruit in front of us

lee and lance don't even free up useful cap space with the noah contract and KP's extension looming.

if kanter walks, then maybe you consider it. but if kanter opts in or extends, you might as well keep lee and lance until their expiring seasons, which is also noah's.

funny thing is, timmy probably opts out that 2020 offseason too.

there ain't nobody worth money we could clear this offseason. "roll that schidt over," as someone used to say.

It’s about 13 mil you open up if you get expiring deals for Lee LFT. I forgot to mention stretching Noah. That’s about 6-7 more. KP has a huge cap hold

I think we can do it.

oh god. i'd be sick if we stretched noah. there'd need to be a damn good FA reason, and i don't see one.

[Knicksfan1992]

no, I wouldn’t want Kemba as my PG moving forward...he’s good, but I don’t think he’s some huge game changer

Would you say the same about Dame Lillard? because they're practically identical statistically the past 3 years...

this isn't true at all.

Using the only stat you ever use him and Lillard only are separated by 1% in true shooting percentage the past 3 years...

[Jeff Van Gully]

getting kemba is like drafting DSJ....

glad you're holding onto that dream of DSJ being a good idea.

DSJ has a looooooooong way to go to be mentioned in the same breath as kemba. insulting to kemba really.

[3toheadmelo]

getting kemba is like drafting DSJ.... so with that being said, get him here (in 2019 though, lets build our core first.)

kemba
frank
troy brown jr
julius randle
KP


6th man: timmy

wow a 20 win team, nice job.

thanks bro

[3toheadmelo]

getting kemba is like drafting DSJ....

glad you're holding onto that dream of DSJ being a good idea.

DSJ has a looooooooong way to go to be mentioned in the same breath as kemba. insulting to kemba really.

never said he's on the level of him now. just saying smith is mad similar to him and looks to be in the mold of kemba/lillard.. etc.

[Jeff Van Gully]

getting kemba is like drafting DSJ....

glad you're holding onto that dream of DSJ being a good idea.

DSJ has a looooooooong way to go to be mentioned in the same breath as kemba. insulting to kemba really.

never said he's on the level of him now. just saying smith is mad similar to him and looks to be in the mold of kemba/lillard.. etc.

i appreciate you explaining what you mean. i don't think your words read that way though.