2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go

[bleedblue3303]

The more and more I think about it. You offer Mitch and maybe something else for number 3 draft Edwards who has the highest upside in the entire draft. At 8 you take Owhango or move Randle to the 5 and draft Kira, Terry, Maxey, etc.

then stop thinking about it

Why? What is the upside of Mitch? How good do you potentially see him becoming.We also have to pay him very soon. He plays the least important positron in the NBA. If I told you in 5 years Edwards was a 3 time all star. You would find that much easier to believe than Mitch being a 3 time all star. Edwards has the potential to be better than Mitch and I dare say it even RJ.

[HEZI]

and who the hell is owhango lol

Onyeka's son who we are drafting with the Rockets 2038 pick

[NewYorkPride85]

Let me ask you this and I'm not disagreeing with your statement at all... but would you accept Wiggins if it meant getting D Mitchell?

If I knew we would get him then I wouldn't think twice. But it will take a hell of a lot more than the number 2 pick just to get him, so realistically I wouldn't. That and the fact that I'm not looking to trade any of our 2021 picks. IF we do pull of this trade than it would be straight up for the number 2 pick or the Twolves 2021 pick (since its top 3 protected) and NOT a pick swap.

You misunderstood my question... I'm saying AEdwards has been compared to DMitch.... if so, we'd be trading for a player like DMitchell. So, if he turns out to be DMitch - would it be a trade you'd make? #2 (Edwards) & Wiggins for #8. Assuming Edwards transforms into DMitch.

I'm sorry but someone who doesn't show up for a job interview prepared, shouldn't be considered an option. You have no school, no work and you show up to a showcase out of shape, zero conditioning, and missing a bunch of shots? Maxey looked like what Edwards should have looked like. I'm sorry but lazy just wont cut it in NYC. We've seen this before and it never ends pretty. You can have all the talent in the world but if you have cobwebs in between your ears then you just wont cut as a successful NBA professional. I don't care how young he is. Kira is just as young and his stock skyrocketed because he took it seriously and put in the work. I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being a bust. Even Lamelo who I dont even like showed better work ethic than this kid.

[bleedblue3303]

If I knew we would get him then I wouldn't think twice. But it will take a hell of a lot more than the number 2 pick just to get him, so realistically I wouldn't. That and the fact that I'm not looking to trade any of our 2021 picks. IF we do pull of this trade than it would be straight up for the number 2 pick or the Twolves 2021 pick (since its top 3 protected) and NOT a pick swap.

You misunderstood my question... I'm saying AEdwards has been compared to DMitch.... if so, we'd be trading for a player like DMitchell. So, if he turns out to be DMitch - would it be a trade you'd make? #2 (Edwards) & Wiggins for #8. Assuming Edwards transforms into DMitch.

I'm sorry but someone who doesn't show up for a job interview prepared, shouldn't be considered an option. You have no school, no work and you show up to a showcase out of shape, zero conditioning, and missing a bunch of shots? Maxey looked like what Edwards should have looked like. I'm sorry but lazy just wont cut it in NYC. We've seen this before and it never ends pretty.

Donovan Mitchell is 216 pounds at 24 years of age. Anthony Edwards is 225 and an inch taller. It would be Mitchell on steroids. Now that's not saying he will be DMitch, people worried whats between Edwards ears, but you hired Thibs and development staff so if you believe they are that good. You prove it and trade for Edwards. I would even trade RJ for Edwards. People don't want to face it RJ is good but he's at best a 2nd or 3rd option. We need players with the potential to be all stars.

[god shammgod]

the "trade it all for edwards" contingent is not one we've heard from much

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[bleedblue3303]

the "trade it all for edwards" contingent is not one we've heard from much

How is it "Trade it all?" If they asked for RJ or Mitch, with Frank for number 3 to take Edwards, would you do it?
We also keep #8.

[Polk377]

The draft journos are higher on him than the actual scouts are. Wasserman has been talking about this for weeks too. What’s weird is no one really pinpoints what the nba guys don’t like about him either. The disconnect is all very strange.

Most Media analysts love him. But NBA scouts don't. It's intriguing.

Maybe most NBA scouts didn't watch his games in person. It's tough to recommend a guy in these circumstances.

Did Hayes do a workout with anyone?

Hayes worked for the Magic at #15.

Supposedly the Hawks have shown interest in Hayes and think he is good. But view him more as a lead guard that will have the ball in his hands so may go in another direction...supposedly from what I read

I can't see him falling past the Knicks at #8 and can see him going as high as #4 to the Bulls. His skill set translates really well to the modern NBA game. Would love to see him throwing lobs left and right to Mitch off the pick and roll.

[Juco24]

Really not high on Kira, I feel like if he didn't look a little like Morant he'd be going in the 20s, but those locks and being 6'2"-6'3" got people looking at him like he's the next point god . Nothing really jumps out about him other than his speed, he's not really that quick in the halfcourt, he's not explosive, he's not a great shooter, he seems like your standard PG. I don't see someone like him ever being a top 5 guy at PG, so why is there such overt love for him?

I'd rather take a chance on Hayes or even Terry, especially since I wonder how a guy like Lewis will transition from always having the ball, to having to learn to play off it because RJ will need it as well. At least with Terry there's an elite skill there that could turn him into a valuable off ball player, and with Hayes he has the size to play the 2. Really, I don't like Maxey or Lewis, they're like the standard "Me too" PG where nothing really stands out. They're also at a size where you can't play them at the 2, so if you draft them they absolutely have to be your starting PG, or else it's a wasted pick since they can't be anything else.

we need more of this FUD(Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) spread about Kira so we can make sure we get him.

to answer your question Kira is:
- in the 99 percentile at creating quality shoots for his teammates. Basically that means he is getting in the lane at will and kicking out to his teammates for WIDE OPEN looks..
- in the 89th percentile at catch and shoot
- In the 79th percentile at shooting off the dribble

ok so those are just the advanced stats how can you argue with those numbers? I mean damn they look stellar. When you watch him play his speed definitely passes the eye test.

And to address your negatives. I've heard people say he does need to get a running start because his quickness isnt that great in the halfcourt. I don't necessarily agree with that. I think once he adds strength he is going to blow by defenders more easily. and even if he doesnt get strength he is still going to be a blur coming off that high pick and roll which Thibs loves to run. As for defensive versatility you are right he will only be able to play one position.

Yeah... some of the criticism I hear regarding Lewis is somewhat silly because if you look deeper.
* Kira's a good shooter and will only get better once he's a FT NBA player
* Kira's a good passer and is ambidextrous - that's why I personally have him SLIGHTLY above Hayes, who's lefty dominant. Kira passes well with the left and will go left as often as to the right
* Kira HUSTLES. People don't give enough credit for this anymore... again, watching Hayes' highlights, I was disheartened when I saw him make mistakes and then sulk. GET BACK ON DEFENSE!!!!!
* Kira is a really good kid... He values his faith, family and then basketball (in that order). Whether it's with the Knicks or another organization - this kid will be good!!! Bilas said it last night -- When it's all said and done, people may ask themselves why Kira didn't go higher

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Really..... jeez

[NoDopeOnSundays]

we need more of this FUD(Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) spread about Kira so we can make sure we get him.

to answer your question Kira is:
- in the 99 percentile at creating quality shoots for his teammates. Basically that means he is getting in the lane at will and kicking out to his teammates for WIDE OPEN looks..
- in the 89th percentile at catch and shoot
- In the 79th percentile at shooting off the dribble

ok so those are just the advanced stats how can you argue with them? I mean damn they look stellar. When you watch him play his speed definitely passes the eye test.

And to address your negatives. I've heard people say he does need to get a running start because his quickness isnt that great in the halfcourt. I don't necessarily agree with that. I think once he adds strength he is going to blow by defenders more easily. and even if he doesnt get strength he is still going to be a blur coming off that high pick and roll which Thibs loves to run. As for defensive versatility you are right he will only be able to play one position.

It's not FUD, it's legitimate concerns, he's a slight PG that isn't really that quick so what exactly happens when he starts putting on more mass? Usually when someone is built like Kira they are exceedingly quick and explosive off the ground, he is neither, he's got great straight line speed but isn't a great athlete. I don't care about advanced stats like that, advanced stats are why Markelle Fultz was the top pick in his draft over Tatum. I ask, what makes him stand out among NBA point guards? How does he project out as a starter on a good team, not what his stats were on a bad Bama team.

I just don't see anything special at all, PG is the deepest position in the league, does he ever even crack the top 10 at that position? Right now, you have all these guys under 25 :

Jamal Murray
DeJounte Murray
Trae Young
De'Aron Fox
JA Morant
SGA
D. Russell

Getting into the top 10 of PGs in the league is going to be extremely difficult. Which is also why I'm just not that high on any of the smaller PGs in this draft outside of Terry. I can understand LaMelo, Haliburton and Hayes because of their size, but these other guys who are all around 6'2"-6'3" that don't have 1 great singular skill, nah man, it's just playing Russian roulette.

well to alleviate some of your fears here is a scout that watched Kira play recently after he added 15 pounds.

Derek Murray, Babcock Hoops director of scouting, recently saw a vastly improved and stronger Lewis scouting trip in Miami.

“Right off the bat, Lewis showed off his dazzling speed. It didn’t matter if he was in an isolation or in the pick-and-roll; he was easily getting around his man for easy lay-ins. He always got downhill quickly, staying on par with his success at Alabama. One of the most noticeable things during the runs, however, was how Lewis absorbed contact in the lane,” Murray said.

With a stronger body, Lewis exudes more confidence on the court attacking the rim.

His burst of speed reminded Pettway of another speedy playmaker — former Kentucky Wildcat and current Sacramento Kings’ lead guard De’Aaron Fox.


“That kind of speed is hard to deal with,” Pettway said. “Based on their finishing, I think De’Aaron is really good at finishing while Kira is a guy who’s crafty who knows how to finish. De’Aaron is probably bigger, longer right now, but Kira shoots better at this stage.”

I disagree and I think Kira's burst will be fine in the halfcourt. but lets your prediction comes true and he is only good at getting in the lane in transition and high pick and rolls. Ty Lawson had short legs and a short wingspan so he couldnt get by guys in the halfcourt he mostly used a pick in the halfcourt. Ty Lawson's numbers were amazing before alcoholism ruined his career. Would you be mad with a Ty Lawson type career pre-alcoholic days?

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Fox is explosive while being longer, so I just don't care for those comparisons, because they're really just based on how a guy looks in terms of build. If Kira were as explosive as Fox he wouldn't make it past the Bulls.


Ty Lawson is not a winning type of player, even during his best years the Nuggets were never a good defensive team because of his size and build. You don't win in the playoffs with players like this that can be targeted AND they don't provide next level spacing. When I say winning, I'm strictly talking about the playoffs, almost every argument I make is centered around how guys would look in the future of a playoff matchup.

[Polk377]

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Just another dumb trade bound to happen, lets throw the Knicks in there because they are the Knicks without any real inside info to back it up.

[god shammgod]

the "trade it all for edwards" contingent is not one we've heard from much

How is it "Trade it all?" If they asked for RJ or Mitch, with Frank for number 3 to take Edwards, would you do it?
We also keep #8.

no, i wouldn't. and i understand. i know we keep 8 and we're taking ovaltineakongwu.

[jvsimonetti0514]

the "trade it all for edwards" contingent is not one we've heard from much

Leave no stone unturned in 8 months of draft threads. Can’t ignore Edwards now can we? Even he deserves a chance of being prospect of the day

[KnicksGadfly]

You misunderstood my question... I'm saying AEdwards has been compared to DMitch.... if so, we'd be trading for a player like DMitchell. So, if he turns out to be DMitch - would it be a trade you'd make? #2 (Edwards) & Wiggins for #8. Assuming Edwards transforms into DMitch.

I'm sorry but someone who doesn't show up for a job interview prepared, shouldn't be considered an option. You have no school, no work and you show up to a showcase out of shape, zero conditioning, and missing a bunch of shots? Maxey looked like what Edwards should have looked like. I'm sorry but lazy just wont cut it in NYC. We've seen this before and it never ends pretty.

Donovan Mitchell is 216 pounds at 24 years of age. Anthony Edwards is 225 and an inch taller. It would be Mitchell on steroids. Now that's not saying he will be DMitch, people worried whats between Edwards ears, but you hired Thibs and development staff so if you believe they are that good. You prove it and trade for Edwards. I would even trade RJ for Edwards. People don't want to face it RJ is good but he's at best a 2nd or 3rd option. We need players with the potential to be all stars.

You brought up the Mitchell comparisons, but you're the first person I've seen make that comparison.

Nah, the comparison I've heard most with Edwards is Wiggins. And even Thibs couldn't work magic with that kid.

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[jvsimonetti0514]

I'm sorry but someone who doesn't show up for a job interview prepared, shouldn't be considered an option. You have no school, no work and you show up to a showcase out of shape, zero conditioning, and missing a bunch of shots? Maxey looked like what Edwards should have looked like. I'm sorry but lazy just wont cut it in NYC. We've seen this before and it never ends pretty.

Donovan Mitchell is 216 pounds at 24 years of age. Anthony Edwards is 225 and an inch taller. It would be Mitchell on steroids. Now that's not saying he will be DMitch, people worried whats between Edwards ears, but you hired Thibs and development staff so if you believe they are that good. You prove it and trade for Edwards. I would even trade RJ for Edwards. People don't want to face it RJ is good but he's at best a 2nd or 3rd option. We need players with the potential to be all stars.

You brought up the Mitchell comparisons, but you're the first person I've seen make that comparison.

Nah, the comparison I've heard most with Edwards is Wiggins. And even Thibs couldn't work magic with that kid.

He’s JR Smith. If you can get it into his head he needs to attack the hoop instead of taking off the dribble threes there’s a chance to fix him but I’m not super confident in that.

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Warriors due diligence incase knicks trade up.

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Ahh our 4th work out

[Juco24]

If I knew we would get him then I wouldn't think twice. But it will take a hell of a lot more than the number 2 pick just to get him, so realistically I wouldn't. That and the fact that I'm not looking to trade any of our 2021 picks. IF we do pull of this trade than it would be straight up for the number 2 pick or the Twolves 2021 pick (since its top 3 protected) and NOT a pick swap.

You misunderstood my question... I'm saying AEdwards has been compared to DMitch.... if so, we'd be trading for a player like DMitchell. So, if he turns out to be DMitch - would it be a trade you'd make? #2 (Edwards) & Wiggins for #8. Assuming Edwards transforms into DMitch.

I'm sorry but someone who doesn't show up for a job interview prepared, shouldn't be considered an option. You have no school, no work and you show up to a showcase out of shape, zero conditioning, and missing a bunch of shots? Maxey looked like what Edwards should have looked like. I'm sorry but lazy just wont cut it in NYC. We've seen this before and it never ends pretty. You can have all the talent in the world but if you have cobwebs in between your ears then you just wont cut as a successful NBA professional. I don't care how young he is. Kira is just as young and his stock skyrocketed because he took it seriously and put in the work. I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being a bust. Even Lamelo who I dont even like showed better work ethic than this kid.

Fair enough and I get what you're saying - Totally! My point is that... IF (I know how big IF is) Edwards turns out to be the 2nd coming of Donovan Mitchell - then taking on Wiggins' salary would be money well spent imo. To your point, he could be a flop as well. But if he does turn out to be an all-star, we may again be kicking ourselves for not taking on Wiggins' salary.