Knicks - Cavs PG

[thebuzzardman]

mitch is literally the best pnr player in the league statistically. he is more likely to score as the roll man than anyone else. obi was an average pnr player in college. besides attempting to make obi look better there isn't a point to that. he has to learn to shoot the 3.

The guy barely can make FT and you want to make him a long ball threat?

He needs to improve himself as an elite rim runner first. He has to learn to defend without fouling out and to correctly set screens.

It will take years to be a fair long ball shooter.

you read it wrong. obi has to make 3s.

Mitch has to learn to make short jumpers and then not accept he can't be in every P&R EVERY time.
Which is exactly what Obi is doing.
And Randle does a lot of it as well.

A Knick PG crosses mid court and the Knicks bigs descend on him and crowd around like it's a pretty girl dancing alone at the club.

It's like "Night At The Knicksbury" each time.

Mitch has to add some short jumpers AND Obi has to shoot it as well. There's a way that Obi and Mitch work together, but it involves BOTH guys evolving some.

[K_ick_God]

It looks like Obi is good at cutting off the ball and finishing. Sounds like a narrow thing and it is, but it’s not that small a thing to have in an offense. That’s a good thing to have in a mobile body who can play 3-5.

He already can shoot but if he can slash and hit 3s, and is active (his motor is high) then that’s a good thing to have.

[F N 11]

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Basketball is more than stats and veteran status. Fit matters and right now knicks need a shooter at the 1 and 3 position. Randle need to stand at the 3 point line and stop trying to clog the paint with Mitch.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I still have no idea how they looked at this team and thought "Lets keep Randle around and bring back Payton". That still amazes me. This is the 3rd year in a row they have played together and we still didnt figure out its an awful combination especially on this roster.

Just hope they grow some balls and go with the younger lineup for most of the minutes.

[F N 11]

It looks like Obi is good at cutting off the ball and finishing. Sounds like a narrow thing and it is, but it’s not that small a thing to have in an offense. That’s a good thing to have in a mobile body who can play 3-5.

He already can shoot but if he can slash and hit 3s, and is active (his motor is high) then that’s a good thing to have.

When i first started watching Obi I thought he was just a dunker. I was wrong af, that boy is a good passer and understands how to love without the ball. IQ is very high.

[thebuzzardman]

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Wait, let me do you:

"It was against 3rd string bums who suck and Thibs won't play them together anyway so who cares"

[cgf]

We also lost 3 quarters without Frank.

Sit Dennis smiff forever... give frank most of Elfrid minutes.. start Quickley.. Frank spot minutes at the backup point and 2

IQ and RJ make the most sense fit wise. We will see if Thibs has the cojones to start him or play him a majority of minutes.

If say you started IQ, Burks, RJ, Obi, Mitch you would actually have some semblance of NBA shooting and spacing.

We still need to see Rivers play because I think he can provide the starting lineup with a lot of what Quick brought to the kids on the 2nd unit last night. If he does, then Rivers & Burks might just be enough shooting for RJ to not hate life during his minutes with the vets...while letting IQ & the kids continue building their chemistry & mojo against opposing benches to start the season.

If after ~10 regular season games they are still looking like they did last night; then I'd start mixing them into the first unit & seeing how they respond to the greater challenge...as you don't want your young talent to be floundering because you've overwhelmed them, but you also don't want them to grow complacent from not being challenged enough.

[thebuzzardman]

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Ok NY kid

Even Detroit didn't keep him. He must be awesome.

[thebuzzardman]

i just finished the game and thought Quickley did pretty well. and then i saw this board. lmao. steph curry 2.0 because of a 3-11 1-6 night. thats how desperate we are.

Quickley should be starting! Did you see how he can create the foul on his shots to get to the line? His shooting of 3-11 was deceiving. Three of those misses were because he got fouled by forcing his defender to foul him.
Mitchell, Obi, Knox, RJ and Quickley! Win or lose!
I bet that the +/- is super high on the plus side.
Randle needs to go already! Trade him for a future second round pick. Or something. No more players.

Come on Thibs! Please start Obi.

Please create a poll about if Quickley should start or not

[Deeeez Knicks]

Lets be real. It will probably take them 50 games to figure out Mitch/Obi/RJ/Quickley /(someone else that can shoot) should be starting.

And by that time, pride becomes a factor, so they will just ride the Payton/Randle/non-shooting lineup to the bloody end.

I'm hoping Thibs has enough sense to do the right thing early on, even before the season starts, and balance the starting lineup with shooters and players who have good chemistry and energy.


At the VERY least, Quickley should replace Payton in the starting lineup. If your PG can't hit a 3, then he better be dynamic as a prime D.Rose or Westbrook.

I hope so and agree about Quickley. Just being a threat opens things up. Nobody even guards Payton on the perimeter so its like playing 5 on 4 when he doesnt have the ball

[K_ick_God]

Quickley def needs to tighten his handle but he sees the court and he sees the plays. Long arms. He looks major.

[Capn'O]

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Ok NY kid

Even Detroit didn't keep him. He must be awesome.

Please don't sully the King.

Imo, he should have stayed another year at UO. He came out a scrawny thing.

[thebuzzardman]

Louis King should be on the roster by next week. He's my good friends little brother so I watched him closely in Oregon.

Stretch 4, think Rashard Lewis with a better handle. Jersey kid. Had first-round talent and fits this roster very well.

Thanks for the feedback.

You think the Knicks want him on the 15, or is this what you think/wish should happen, based on skills?

Or is the deal for Westchester - which I think could be fine until midseason and maybe space gets cleared at the deadline.

Or Knicks could trade Bullocks today for a 2nd rounder...

[Capn'O]

Louis King should be on the roster by next week. He's my good friends little brother so I watched him closely in Oregon.

Stretch 4, think Rashard Lewis with a better handle. Jersey kid. Had first-round talent and fits this roster very well.

Thanks for the feedback.

You think the Knicks want him on the 15, or is this what you think/wish should happen, based on skills?

Or is the deal for Westchester - which I think could be fine until midseason and maybe space gets cleared at the deadline.

Or Knicks could trade Bullocks today for a 2nd rounder...

My guess is 2 way. I don't think we have the roster spot but also he's quite raw.

[Clyde_Style]

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[Capn'O]

I still have no idea how they looked at this team and thought "Lets keep Randle around and bring back Payton". That still amazes me. This is the 3rd year in a row they have played together and we still didnt figure out its an awful combination especially on this roster.

Just hope they grow some balls and go with the younger lineup for most of the minutes.

IMO, they haven't found the right deal for Julius yet. But why they brought Payton back is beyond me. That is nuts.

[thebuzzardman]

Louis King should be on the roster by next week. He's my good friends little brother so I watched him closely in Oregon.

Stretch 4, think Rashard Lewis with a better handle. Jersey kid. Had first-round talent and fits this roster very well.

Thanks for the feedback.

You think the Knicks want him on the 15, or is this what you think/wish should happen, based on skills?

Or is the deal for Westchester - which I think could be fine until midseason and maybe space gets cleared at the deadline.

Or Knicks could trade Bullocks today for a 2nd rounder...

My guess is 2 way. I don't think we have the roster spot but also he's quite raw.

I like they are cycling through guys, making a quick determination, then moving along to other players. Maybe they have the one that sticks here.

[Capn'O]

Thanks for the feedback.

You think the Knicks want him on the 15, or is this what you think/wish should happen, based on skills?

Or is the deal for Westchester - which I think could be fine until midseason and maybe space gets cleared at the deadline.

Or Knicks could trade Bullocks today for a 2nd rounder...

My guess is 2 way. I don't think we have the roster spot but also he's quite raw.

I like they are cycling through guys, making a quick determination, then moving along to other players. Maybe they have the one that sticks here.

I hope it's King. I really think he has starter potential. Boom/bust.

[Clyde_Style]

I still have no idea how they looked at this team and thought "Lets keep Randle around and bring back Payton". That still amazes me. This is the 3rd year in a row they have played together and we still didnt figure out its an awful combination especially on this roster.

Just hope they grow some balls and go with the younger lineup for most of the minutes.

IMO, they haven't found the right deal for Julius yet. But why they brought Payton back is beyond me. That is nuts.

Before I was being open-minded about it, but now I want Perry booted out of this FO. Payton again? Really? FOH!

[Chanel Bomber]

I still have no idea how they looked at this team and thought "Lets keep Randle around and bring back Payton". That still amazes me. This is the 3rd year in a row they have played together and we still didnt figure out its an awful combination especially on this roster.

Just hope they grow some balls and go with the younger lineup for most of the minutes.

If I were a reporter, I would ask Perry or Rose how, in the modern NBA where shooting is paramount, they saw Randle and Payton fitting on a team built around RJ and Mitch.

Of course, I would then get banned by Dolan for asking that question and be asked to cover the Nets, after which I'd just quit my job and decide to live the rest of my days as a beekeeper.