Porzingis Unicorn #3 Thread

[taker328]

Nothing pleases me more than having KP back in the fold. I can't wait until the team starts working together. Being it's the Dolan era Knicks...we can't have a smooth transition into this rebuild but...it is finally here. We actually have a bunch of solid youth with potential to grow together and draft picks to add to it with. The direction of the team management is a youth movement rebuild. I am still stunned. This has NEVER happened in my 30 some odd years as a fan. Ever.

Frank/Baker
THJr/Dotson
???
KP
Billy/KOQ

That's the base of our first youth movement/rebuild. Phil Jackson did this. No matter what anyone says. He did this. ALL of it. Where we go from here is on Perry/Mills. I'm excited and scared about the direction of the team and the young guys we have to develop.

Stunned....totally stunned.

Ehhh. I wouldn't really say that's a base/foundation yet. The only two I would include is KP and Willy. All those other guys are question marks imo and we don't even know what Frank can do. Remember at one point we were mentioning Galloway as a potential building block, we gotta be careful how we judge talent in terms of a solid base moving forward. This team has A LOT of work ahead of them in terms of finding and building young talent.

[Clyde Frazier]

Nothing pleases me more than having KP back in the fold. I can't wait until the team starts working together. Being it's the Dolan era Knicks...we can't have a smooth transition into this rebuild but...it is finally here. We actually have a bunch of solid youth with potential to grow together and draft picks to add to it with. The direction of the team management is a youth movement rebuild. I am still stunned. This has NEVER happened in my 30 some odd years as a fan. Ever.

Frank/Baker
THJr/Dotson
???
KP
Billy/KOQ

That's the base of our first youth movement/rebuild. Phil Jackson did this. No matter what anyone says. He did this. ALL of it. Where we go from here is on Perry/Mills. I'm excited and scared about the direction of the team and the young guys we have to develop.

Stunned....totally stunned.

Ehhh. I wouldn't really say that's a base/foundation yet. The only two I would include is KP and Willy. All those other guys are question marks imo and we don't even know what Frank can do. Remember at one point we were mentioning Galloway as a potential building block, we gotta be careful how we judge talent in terms of a solid base moving forward. This team has A LOT of work ahead of them in terms of finding and building young talent.

We don't know what frank is yet, but as the 8th pick he's SUPPOSED to be part of the core... it's not as if he's a marginal player or something.

And for what we're paying THJ now, he better be part of it.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Nothing pleases me more than having KP back in the fold. I can't wait until the team starts working together. Being it's the Dolan era Knicks...we can't have a smooth transition into this rebuild but...it is finally here. We actually have a bunch of solid youth with potential to grow together and draft picks to add to it with. The direction of the team management is a youth movement rebuild. I am still stunned. This has NEVER happened in my 30 some odd years as a fan. Ever.

Frank/Baker
THJr/Dotson
???
KP
Billy/KOQ

That's the base of our first youth movement/rebuild. Phil Jackson did this. No matter what anyone says. He did this. ALL of it. Where we go from here is on Perry/Mills. I'm excited and scared about the direction of the team and the young guys we have to develop.

Stunned....totally stunned.

Ehhh. I wouldn't really say that's a base/foundation yet. The only two I would include is KP and Willy. All those other guys are question marks imo and we don't even know what Frank can do. Remember at one point we were mentioning Galloway as a potential building block, we gotta be careful how we judge talent in terms of a solid base moving forward. This team has A LOT of work ahead of them in terms of finding and building young talent.

Every player on that list besides Dotson and Frank are solid young players. Frank better be. Dotson is bench fodder until proven otherwise but...he's a decent prospect.

I just listed the youth. You have to start somewhere. KP/Billy/THJr is the core. Baker/Frank/Dotson have to prove themselves. KOQ is a good bench player on a great deal and a lifelong Knicks fan. Great locker room guy too.

[Kampuchea]

We don't know what frank is yet, but as the 8th pick he's SUPPOSED to be part of the core... it's not as if he's a marginal player or something.

And for what we're paying THJ now, he better be part of it.

Number 8

Year Player School/Country – Team

2017 Frank Ntilikina, France – New York Knicks
2016 Marquese Chriss, Washington – Sacramento Kings
2015 Stanley Johnson, Arizona – Detroit Pistons
2014 Nik Stauskas, Michigan – Sacramento Kings
2013 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Georgia – Detroit Pistons
2012 Terrence Ross, Washington – Toronto Raptors
2011 Brandon Knight, Kentucky – Detroit Pistons
2010 Al-Farouq Aminu, Wake Forest – L.A. Clippers

2000’s

2009 Jordan Hill, Arizona – New York Knicks
2008 Joe Alexander, West Virginia – Milwaukee Bucks
2007 Brandan Wright, North Carolina – Charlotte Bobcats (Draft rights traded to Golden State Warriors)
2006 Rudy Gay, Connecticut – Houston Rockets (Draft rights traded to Memphis Grizzlies)
2005 Channing Frye, Arizona – New York Knicks
2004 Rafael Araujo, BYU – Toronto Raptors
2003 T.J. Ford, Texas – Milwaukee Bucks
2002 Chris Wilcox, Maryland – L.A. Clippers
2001 DeSagana Diop, Oak Hill Academy (Va.) – Cleveland Cavaliers
2000 Jamal Crawford, Michigan – Cleveland Cavaliers (Draft rights traded to Chicago Bulls)

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/history-of-the-nba-draft-by-pick/history-of-the-nba-draft-pick-number-8/

[BKlutch]

We don't know what frank is yet, but as the 8th pick he's SUPPOSED to be part of the core... it's not as if he's a marginal player or something.

And for what we're paying THJ now, he better be part of it.

Number 8

Year Player School/Country – Team

2017 Frank Ntilikina, France – New York Knicks
2016 Marquese Chriss, Washington – Sacramento Kings
2015 Stanley Johnson, Arizona – Detroit Pistons
2014 Nik Stauskas, Michigan – Sacramento Kings
2013 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Georgia – Detroit Pistons
2012 Terrence Ross, Washington – Toronto Raptors
2011 Brandon Knight, Kentucky – Detroit Pistons
2010 Al-Farouq Aminu, Wake Forest – L.A. Clippers

2000’s

2009 Jordan Hill, Arizona – New York Knicks
2008 Joe Alexander, West Virginia – Milwaukee Bucks
2007 Brandan Wright, North Carolina – Charlotte Bobcats (Draft rights traded to Golden State Warriors)
2006 Rudy Gay, Connecticut – Houston Rockets (Draft rights traded to Memphis Grizzlies)
2005 Channing Frye, Arizona – New York Knicks
2004 Rafael Araujo, BYU – Toronto Raptors
2003 T.J. Ford, Texas – Milwaukee Bucks
2002 Chris Wilcox, Maryland – L.A. Clippers
2001 DeSagana Diop, Oak Hill Academy (Va.) – Cleveland Cavaliers
2000 Jamal Crawford, Michigan – Cleveland Cavaliers (Draft rights traded to Chicago Bulls)

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/history-of-the-nba-draft-by-pick/history-of-the-nba-draft-pick-number-8/

This could mean Frank has a chance to become one of the most successful 8th picks of the past 17 years.

Or this could mean Frank will become an adequate role player.

It all comes down to how much we trust Clarence, and how much we trust Phil.

Oh well, we can hope, right?

[Clyde Frazier]

We don't know what frank is yet, but as the 8th pick he's SUPPOSED to be part of the core... it's not as if he's a marginal player or something.

And for what we're paying THJ now, he better be part of it.

Number 8

Year Player School/Country – Team

2017 Frank Ntilikina, France – New York Knicks
2016 Marquese Chriss, Washington – Sacramento Kings
2015 Stanley Johnson, Arizona – Detroit Pistons
2014 Nik Stauskas, Michigan – Sacramento Kings
2013 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Georgia – Detroit Pistons
2012 Terrence Ross, Washington – Toronto Raptors
2011 Brandon Knight, Kentucky – Detroit Pistons
2010 Al-Farouq Aminu, Wake Forest – L.A. Clippers

2000’s

2009 Jordan Hill, Arizona – New York Knicks
2008 Joe Alexander, West Virginia – Milwaukee Bucks
2007 Brandan Wright, North Carolina – Charlotte Bobcats (Draft rights traded to Golden State Warriors)
2006 Rudy Gay, Connecticut – Houston Rockets (Draft rights traded to Memphis Grizzlies)
2005 Channing Frye, Arizona – New York Knicks
2004 Rafael Araujo, BYU – Toronto Raptors
2003 T.J. Ford, Texas – Milwaukee Bucks
2002 Chris Wilcox, Maryland – L.A. Clippers
2001 DeSagana Diop, Oak Hill Academy (Va.) – Cleveland Cavaliers
2000 Jamal Crawford, Michigan – Cleveland Cavaliers (Draft rights traded to Chicago Bulls)

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/history-of-the-nba-draft-by-pick/history-of-the-nba-draft-pick-number-8/

Spoiler:

And? I didn't say we should expect an all star. If you get a starter out of the pick, you did well.

Also, take a look at picks 7 and 9 historically. 8 has been a little underwhelming, which is a touch on the random side.

[god shammgod]

it does show you that the odds of being real successful with the 8th pick aren't all that great. the concept of rebuilding through the draft is great. but only really if you end up in the top 3. otherwise you're kind of relying on being real lucky.

[Clyde Frazier]

it does show you that the odds of being real successful with the 8th pick aren't all that great

I would say the 9th pick is historically better. It isn't a probability thing in this case:

[Fury]

it does show you that the odds of being real successful with the 8th pick aren't all that great. the concept of rebuilding through the draft is great. but only really if you end up in the top 3. otherwise you're kind of relying on being real lucky.

90s, 80s and 70s look better

[god shammgod]

it does show you that the odds of being real successful with the 8th pick aren't all that great. the concept of rebuilding through the draft is great. but only really if you end up in the top 3. otherwise you're kind of relying on being real lucky.

90s, 80s and 70s look better

back then you had more information. guys went to college longer.

[Fury]

it does show you that the odds of being real successful with the 8th pick aren't all that great

I would say the 9th pick is historically better. It isn't a probability thing in this case:

And the mavs wanted Frank at 9, so I'll allow it

[god shammgod]

it does show you that the odds of being real successful with the 8th pick aren't all that great

I would say the 9th pick is historically better. It isn't a probability thing in this case:

yeah. that happens. if i remember right the 3rd pick is even better than the 1st for getting all-stars. i'm not trying to argue 8th vs 9th. my only point is you need to be top 3 to have decent odds of getting a real difference maker.

[Marty McFly]

glad he's working out with dirk, now people can shut up about him not working out with dirk.

[Clyde Frazier]

it does show you that the odds of being real successful with the 8th pick aren't all that great

I would say the 9th pick is historically better. It isn't a probability thing in this case:

yeah. that happens. if i remember right the 3rd pick is even better than the 1st for getting all-stars. i'm not trying to argue 8th vs 9th. my only point is you need to be top 3 to have decent odds of getting a real difference maker.

Oh yeah it's the 2nd pick that's like cursed historically. 1 and 3 are much better.

[dakomish23]

it does show you that the odds of being real successful with the 8th pick aren't all that great

I would say the 9th pick is historically better. It isn't a probability thing in this case:

And the mavs wanted Frank at 9, so I'll allow it

We sure about that? Maybe if we picked DSJ he goes to DAL, but if we had picked someone else IE Monk, do we know for sure they pick Frank over DSJ?

[Triple C]

[Nazrmohamed]

We don't know what frank is yet, but as the 8th pick he's SUPPOSED to be part of the core... it's not as if he's a marginal player or something.

And for what we're paying THJ now, he better be part of it.

Number 8

Year Player School/Country – Team

2017 Frank Ntilikina, France – New York Knicks
2016 Marquese Chriss, Washington – Sacramento Kings
2015 Stanley Johnson, Arizona – Detroit Pistons
2014 Nik Stauskas, Michigan – Sacramento Kings
2013 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Georgia – Detroit Pistons
2012 Terrence Ross, Washington – Toronto Raptors
2011 Brandon Knight, Kentucky – Detroit Pistons
2010 Al-Farouq Aminu, Wake Forest – L.A. Clippers

2000’s

2009 Jordan Hill, Arizona – New York Knicks
2008 Joe Alexander, West Virginia – Milwaukee Bucks
2007 Brandan Wright, North Carolina – Charlotte Bobcats (Draft rights traded to Golden State Warriors)
2006 Rudy Gay, Connecticut – Houston Rockets (Draft rights traded to Memphis Grizzlies)
2005 Channing Frye, Arizona – New York Knicks
2004 Rafael Araujo, BYU – Toronto Raptors
2003 T.J. Ford, Texas – Milwaukee Bucks
2002 Chris Wilcox, Maryland – L.A. Clippers
2001 DeSagana Diop, Oak Hill Academy (Va.) – Cleveland Cavaliers
2000 Jamal Crawford, Michigan – Cleveland Cavaliers (Draft rights traded to Chicago Bulls)

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/history-of-the-nba-draft-by-pick/history-of-the-nba-draft-pick-number-8/

I gave you a +1 for the data but damn you. Damn you to hell.

[Garbagelo]

We don't know what frank is yet, but as the 8th pick he's SUPPOSED to be part of the core... it's not as if he's a marginal player or something.

And for what we're paying THJ now, he better be part of it.

Number 8

Year Player School/Country – Team

2017 Frank Ntilikina, France – New York Knicks
2016 Marquese Chriss, Washington – Sacramento Kings
2015 Stanley Johnson, Arizona – Detroit Pistons
2014 Nik Stauskas, Michigan – Sacramento Kings
2013 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Georgia – Detroit Pistons
2012 Terrence Ross, Washington – Toronto Raptors
2011 Brandon Knight, Kentucky – Detroit Pistons
2010 Al-Farouq Aminu, Wake Forest – L.A. Clippers

2000’s

2009 Jordan Hill, Arizona – New York Knicks
2008 Joe Alexander, West Virginia – Milwaukee Bucks
2007 Brandan Wright, North Carolina – Charlotte Bobcats (Draft rights traded to Golden State Warriors)
2006 Rudy Gay, Connecticut – Houston Rockets (Draft rights traded to Memphis Grizzlies)
2005 Channing Frye, Arizona – New York Knicks
2004 Rafael Araujo, BYU – Toronto Raptors
2003 T.J. Ford, Texas – Milwaukee Bucks
2002 Chris Wilcox, Maryland – L.A. Clippers
2001 DeSagana Diop, Oak Hill Academy (Va.) – Cleveland Cavaliers
2000 Jamal Crawford, Michigan – Cleveland Cavaliers (Draft rights traded to Chicago Bulls)

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/history-of-the-nba-draft-by-pick/history-of-the-nba-draft-pick-number-8/

Who did you want picked?

Doesn't matter who because he was gonna suck anyway, 8th pick always sucks according to your "data".

[K_ick_God]

I would say the 9th pick is historically better. It isn't a probability thing in this case:

And the mavs wanted Frank at 9, so I'll allow it

We sure about that? Maybe if we picked DSJ he goes to DAL, but if we had picked someone else IE Monk, do we know for sure they pick Frank over DSJ?

Of course we don't know for sure. But they scouted him heavily. Smoke, fire.

DSJ stuff is a little funny. He has a lot of attributes of guys who look good in some games and draw attention because they can do some big things, but who don't change your team much.

And the injury is part of the profile. The lower ceiling profile.

[vallen]

the smart move, historically speaking, would have been to skip over who we wanted at #8, and took whoever DAL wanted at #9.


however, historically speaking, we never make the smart move.