Melo Trade Thread - Sorry Melo, these are the breaks

BowlRips · Post #581 » by **BowlRips** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:59 pm

Berman says we still haven't called the Rockets back.. ha I guess they really want to make them sweat

DaGawd · Post #582 » by **DaGawd** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:00 pm

Just give us K Love for Melo and be done with it Cavs!

Context · Post #583 » by **Context** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:00 pm

moocow007 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
moocow007 wrote:The funniest thing is that Morey probably is hoping that the Knicks front office react like some of you guys that just want to "get it over with" and "trade him for whatever" and "move on".

Good thing the Knicks front office apparently is finally thinking with the big head.

there is def a part of me as a fan because even though we will be stinking I watch almost every game and don't want to deal with this sh*t all year.

However I understand the importance the front office is trying to extract as much value as possible...if we have demands there is no need to lessen them. We set them and HOU either gives us what we want or doesn't get Melo.

Exactly.

no disrespect to you MP but after these 7 years in context I could careless what it takes or what we have to see but I want EVERY SINGLE DROP OF VALUE that we can extract out of a Melo return...

thebuzzardman · Post #584 » by **thebuzzardman** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:02 pm

moocow007 wrote:The funniest thing is that Morey probably is hoping that the Knicks front office react like some of you guys that just want to "get it over with" and "trade him for whatever" and "move on".

Good thing the Knicks front office apparently is finally thinking with the big head.

There is an analogy from another time in Knick history that isn't THAT far in the past. I'm reminded of discussions on other basketball forums, probably early 00's, where this transaction was more fresh.

A player had become disgruntled and wanted off the team. To accommodate that player, he was dealt for bad contracts coming back, which the Knicks ultimately were stuck with, or wound up dealing for other bad contracts.

Patrick Ewing.

Now, Melo is much more still in his prime or effective than Ewing was at that point. But both share wanting to be dealt, with a large contract, and not many more years on the contract.

Knicks caved on Ewing and wound up taking back contracts at least as long, if not longer, for players that weren't that good, instead of letting Ewing expire.

Here we are again. Unless Melo nets us a pick, even a low first rounder, and an actual useful young player, but no contract that exceed the length of Melo's current deal, even assuming he'd opt in (which isn't a given, as disgruntled), then personally, I'd rather they keep him and let him expire, even if it takes 2 years (not likely)

Post #585 » by **mpharris36** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:02 pm

BowlRips wrote:Berman says we still haven't called the Rockets back.. ha I guess they really want to make them sweat

I think the rockets know what we want, that hasn't changed. Expirings, young player, + a pick. If HOU doesn't have that they need to somehow get us that.

br7knicks · Post #586 » by **br7knicks** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:02 pm

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-carmelo-anthony-tells-knicks-214550251.html

good. we don't want you back. waive the NTC and gtfo

NYKnicks6 · Post #587 » by **NYKnicks6** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:04 pm

BowlRips wrote:Berman says we still haven't called the Rockets back.. ha I guess they really want to make them sweat

lol So now he has access to the outgoing calls on Mills and Perrys phones? He has new sauces!

F N 11 · Post #588 » by **F N 11** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:05 pm

Melo forces trade here we gut the team. Now Melo wants a specific team which happen to be a contender who doesn't want to give up anything of value for him.

I know he has been through some chit with Phil but this guy I would simply forget about. He played the he wants to stay in New York card now he doesn't even want to talk with Phil gone? lol. F this guy, point blank period. Can't wait to get rid of him hit the reset button.

BowlRips · Post #589 » by **BowlRips** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:07 pm

I wonder how long we'll hold out for...
I think if either Capela and Gordon are included in the deal (even if it means we give up O'Quinn or Lee) then this deal gets done.
Do the rockets get desperate here?

Pjax4Prez · Post #590 » by **Pjax4Prez** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:08 pm

It's kind of hilarious we took bad deals for Shump and Jr to "put them in a good situation" during the Phil era, but now we won't do the same for Melo. I'm glad we are taking our diligence. I don't want a Melo deal to have some type of lingering hampering effect in the form of a bad contract

Crunchknicks1 · Post #591 » by **Crunchknicks1** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:14 pm

How about this trade :

TT and Shump to Bucks
Middleton and Matthews to Knicks
Melo to Cavs.

Who say no to this trade? Middleton play Small for us and Matthew mentor Frank.

Shump take Middleton spot and TT start at center they want Monroe gone.

Melo to cavs Love play center why not

NOOB77 · Post #592 » by **NOOB77** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:15 pm

Crunchknicks1 wrote:How about this trade :

TT and Shump to Bucks
Middleton and Matthews to Knicks
Melo to Cavs.

Who say no to this trade? Middleton play Small for us and Matthew mentor Frank.

Shump take Middleton spot and TT start at center they want Monroe gone.

Melo to cavs Love play center why not

Bucks say no

newyorker4ever · Post #593 » by **newyorker4ever** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:17 pm

knicksh20b wrote:
Polk377 wrote:
Wolfgang630 wrote:
Yeah people like Hinkie who made sure his team tanked and lost games must've not been a fan of the Sixers....

Running a Ponzi Scheme against your own fan base like Hinkie did was disgraceful. You understand that they were literally stealing money from paying fans right? Why do you think the NBA stepped in and forced Bryan Colangelo to take control of basketball operations? Please feel free to go cheer for the Sixers.

We were ponzi schemed these past few years. Sold false hope and ended up in a worse place compared to the Sixers. Why don't you go root for the Kings, if you like dumb management and mediocrity?

Hinkie, at least, told the truth and got fans on board with trust the process. He also won most of the trades he made.

If the Knicks decide to tank, I will support it one hundred percent. And I'm looking forward to these next rebuilding years very much. I'll definitely trust the process.

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Ponzi scheme

Pyramid scheme

We've been duped.

Crunchknicks1 · Post #594 » by **Crunchknicks1** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:17 pm

Give bucks a first from cavs and Omni from cavs

newyorker4ever · Post #595 » by **newyorker4ever** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:32 pm

Context wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
there is def a part of me as a fan because even though we will be stinking I watch almost every game and don't want to deal with this sh*t all year.

However I understand the importance the front office is trying to extract as much value as possible...if we have demands there is no need to lessen them. We set them and HOU either gives us what we want or doesn't get Melo.

Exactly.

no disrespect to you MP but after these 7 years in context I could careless what it takes or what we have to see but I want EVERY SINGLE DROP OF VALUE that we can extract out of a Melo return...

The problem is the value some on here are putting on Melo isn't reality. Two months ago all anyone wanted was to get rid of Melo for whatever we can get cause the most important part of getting rid of him was getting his contract off the books and getting him out of here cause he was a bad influence on the younger players and mostly on KP. Then once we started talking with teams and rumors started coming out on what players were being rumored to be in the talks we started seeing that maybe we can actually get a good return for Melo so everyone started upping the return they think we can get for Melo and now it's just gotten out of control on what Melo's real worth is to us.

No matter what we get in return for him these boards are gonna go nuts with fans killing the Knicks FO for what we got for him (NO MATTER WHAT WE GET). That's just Knicks and that's a guarantee. We should be happy with getting something of value for Melo and remember that getting him away from KP and the young players and getting his ISO self off the team is still a win for us so anything that doesn't hurt our rebuild should be a good return.

Knicksfan1992 · Post #596 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:35 pm

NYKfan77 wrote:
Crunchknicks1 wrote:How about this trade :

TT and Shump to Bucks
Middleton and Matthews to Knicks
Melo to Cavs.

Who say no to this trade? Middleton play Small for us and Matthew mentor Frank.

Shump take Middleton spot and TT start at center they want Monroe gone.

Melo to cavs Love play center why not

Bucks say no

Middleton is better than TT and Shump combined lol

whocares1 · Post #597 » by **whocares1** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:38 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
BowlRips wrote:Berman says we still haven't called the Rockets back.. ha I guess they really want to make them sweat

I think the rockets know what we want, that hasn't changed. Expirings, young player, + a pick. If HOU doesn't have that they need to somehow get us that.

Wait..let's talk about the foundation of a trade that would bring back expirings, a young player, and a pick.

Do the Rockets have any young assets? No.
Do the Rockets need to find a third team to take on Anderson's contract? Yes.

Ok so in your hypothetical end result the Rockets would have to find a third team that not only would accept Ryan Anderson's contract, but would have to part with a young player to the Knicks . Even after all that, you expect the Knicks to end up with a pick as well. Add a fourth or fifth team? The more teams added the less likely it happens. Why? Why would a team join a trade to help the Rockets get Carmelo without compensation? At the end of the day you will not find ANY trade proposals that give the Knicks all the things you are looking for. Some of you guys aren't realistic at all.

VirginiaKnickFan · Post #598 » by **VirginiaKnickFan** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:44 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
K P 6 wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
Exactly.

Yeah I don't want to deal with the drama but I also understand that it takes 2 to tangle. Why must the Knicks give in when they are the one with the superior player. Gtfoh! New Regime b**ch!!!

i think Morey believes the media sh*t show might be too much to deal with but do they realize who we are we have been dealing with this as a franchise for how many years???

The Knicks live for drama. :lol:

newyorker4ever · Post #599 » by **newyorker4ever** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:45 pm

K P 6 wrote:Melo forces trade here we gut the team. Now Melo wants a specific team which happen to be a contender who doesn't want to give up anything of value for him.

I know he has been through some chit with Phil but this guy I would simply forget about. He played the he wants to stay in New York card now he doesn't even want to talk with Phil gone? lol. F this guy, point blank period. Can't wait to get rid of him hit the reset button.

I get that Melo has gone through a lot this year but it was more the media making everything much bigger then it really was then it was Phil Jackson. Phil said two things:

"The ball stops when Melo gets it"

"Melo needs to be on a team that he has a chance to win with"

So Phil went against what GM's/Presidents do and instead of just saying these truthful things behind closed doors, he said them to the media which isn't how it's always been done, so the media took it and ran with it over and over and over and over again and made it look like so much more then it really was.

newyorker4ever · Post #600 » by **newyorker4ever** » Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:47 pm

Pjax4Prez wrote:It's kind of hilarious we took bad deals for Shump and Jr to "put them in a good situation" during the Phil era, but now we won't do the same for Melo. I'm glad we are taking our diligence. I don't want a Melo deal to have some type of lingering hampering effect in the form of a bad contract

There's no comparison between the JR Smith/Shump trade and trading Melo. JR had no trade value what so ever so we had to add something to get a team to take JR and everyone already knew we weren't bringing Shump back the following year so we added him to get JR gone.