Me7o Thread: Hoodie edition

[god shammgod]

The only possible way I see the Knicks getting Jabari is if they take on Anderson's contract.

agreed. but i still don't understand what the bucks get out of it and how it would work financially

rockets - melo
knicks - anderson, jabari
bucks - late 1st round pick and what else ? where is all the salary coming from ? and what else are they getting that would equal parker's value ? it's another rumor that doesn't make sense

This trade worked in the espn trade machine.

Knicks- Jabari, Delladova, Anderson, Zho Qi
Rockets- Melo
Bucks- future first rd pick from Hou, Ariza, Quinn, Kuz, Lance Thomas.

Jabari had 2 acl injuries I'm not so sure his value is that high for the bucks which make him expandable and good risk for the Knicks to take.

if the rockets were willing to trade ariza this would probably be long done already

[god shammgod]

i actually don't even like it for the knicks if i have to take ryan. jabari gets hurt again and now we're stuck with ryan. seems risky.

[shtolky]

It's getting too close training camp. I expect melo to start the season a knick. My only problem with that is we don't know what the starting frontcourt will be. I am afraid it will be this.

Willy at 5
Kp at the 4
Melo at the 3

Yeah we tried that last year and it didn't work out very well. Not starting Willy would be holding him back imo. so I am not a fan of bringing him off the bench

Didn't work out well as in you'd be upset with the lack of success? Shouldn't you want 30 something wins over an 8th seed? All that really matters next season is the progress of KP, Willy and Frank (and to a lesser extent Hardaway). Who cares how we do next season when the goal should be to obtain another top pick and go to war with the four young guys.

[Rasho Brezec]

I would take John Henson and Mirza Teletovic if Bucks take Ryan Anderson.

[Dantares]

It's getting too close training camp. I expect melo to start the season a knick. My only problem with that is we don't know what the starting frontcourt will be. I am afraid it will be this.

Willy at 5
Kp at the 4
Melo at the 3

Yeah we tried that last year and it didn't work out very well. Not starting Willy would be holding him back imo. so I am not a fan of bringing him off the bench

Didn't work out well as in you'd be upset with the lack of success? Shouldn't you want 30 something wins over an 8th seed? All that really matters next season is the progress of KP, Willy and Frank (and to a lesser extent Hardaway). Who cares how we do next season when the goal should be to obtain another top pick and go to war with the four young guys.

no I wasn't thinking about wins but now that you mention it I'd rather have 25 wins or an 8th seed. 30-39 wins is the worst in terms of draft position if melo is here. But willy is progressing at a rapid rate for a big man. I want him to play against starters so they throw their best defenders at him and he can play against the best offensive players, because he needs to learn how to play real nba defense.

edit: I forgot to say I am afraid this lineup will fail early and they will move willy to the bench

[Fury]

I'm picking out the posters who had problems with DSJ's knee in the draft process so they could big up Frank and now want Jabari who tore the same ACL twice... Y'all ain't slick.

False equivalency

[camillepd]

Jabari has had too many injuries. No thanks.

[IllmaticHandler]

Im a big Jabari Fan all day...but two ACL's in THAT short of a span? Yall Bugging.





Its likley that he won't be the same, and it will prob happen again. He also dont play defense.

[Mecca]

I'm picking out the posters who had problems with DSJ's knee in the draft process so they could big up Frank and now want Jabari who tore the same ACL twice... Y'all ain't slick.

False equivalency

Jabari is still a high upside asset at a young age. Compared to what we were being offered for Melo, this is his legit value in a trade. Yeah Jabari got injuries, but offensively, he's skilled/athletic as anyone and he's already shown resilience in coming back from his first injury.

[shtolky]

I'm picking out the posters who had problems with DSJ's knee in the draft process so they could big up Frank and now want Jabari who tore the same ACL twice... Y'all ain't slick.

False equivalency

Jabari is still a high upside asset at a young age. Compared to what we were being offered for Melo, this is his legit value in a trade. Yeah Jabari got injuries, but offensively, he's skilled/athletic as anyone and he's already shown resilience in coming back from his first injury.

You're glossing over some very significant injuries. He doesn't just have injuries as you say, he has two ACL tears of the same knee. Nobody is doubting his talent, but you would think after McDyess, A'mare, and to a lesser extent Rose, we would have learned our lesson.

[IllmaticHandler]

I'm picking out the posters who had problems with DSJ's knee in the draft process so they could big up Frank and now want Jabari who tore the same ACL twice... Y'all ain't slick.

False equivalency

Jabari is still a high upside asset at a young age. Compared to what we were being offered for Melo, this is his legit value in a trade. Yeah Jabari got injuries, but offensively, he's skilled/athletic as anyone and he's already shown resilience in coming back from his first injury.

MY dude Two ACLS will take something from you. Talking about the first one is moot. He will lose athletic ability after this one. All that "resilience" was not "resilience" on his body thoe. Thats the most important part. STAT was Mentally Strong with Injures but that NEVER stopped him from always getting them. Physical resilience and mental resilience are two different things, and of right now Jabari Physical Fortitude is highly questionable.

[TankCommander17]

I'm picking out the posters who had problems with DSJ's knee in the draft process so they could big up Frank and now want Jabari who tore the same ACL twice... Y'all ain't slick.

False equivalency

Jabari is still a high upside asset at a young age. Compared to what we were being offered for Melo, this is his legit value in a trade. Yeah Jabari got injuries, but offensively, he's skilled/athletic as anyone and he's already shown resilience in coming back from his first injury.

How is a guy with two acl tears to the same knee have high upside? Please explain that.

[Knicksfan1992]

I'm picking out the posters who had problems with DSJ's knee in the draft process so they could big up Frank and now want Jabari who tore the same ACL twice... Y'all ain't slick.

False equivalency

Ehhh it is, but it isn't. I agree Jabari is probably the best name to come out of these talks so far but people were saying they wouldn't draft DSJ because of his knee and now want a guy who tore up the same knee twice? Doesn't add up to me. I would do the deal because we can afford the risk of hoping Jabari gets back to like 85% of what he was and stays healthy. Also based on the market for Melo he's probably the best we could do prospect-wise even when taking his injury into account. A lot of people didn't want DSJ because of injury concern. That's a fact. You can't be concerned about DSJ's knee injury to the point of not wanting him and say you want Jabari in the same breath. That's hypocritical.

[TankCommander17]

Also I doubt any trade gets done soon with a new owner. The guy just spent 2.2 billion to buy a new team. Most acquisitions try to get their money back asap. Will that happen with Melo primed for a new contract while you live in luxury tax hell?

The more time goes by the more Melo seems to be stuck a knick for one more year. Which sucks for the tank.

[Mecca]

False equivalency

Jabari is still a high upside asset at a young age. Compared to what we were being offered for Melo, this is his legit value in a trade. Yeah Jabari got injuries, but offensively, he's skilled/athletic as anyone and he's already shown resilience in coming back from his first injury.

MY dude Two ACLS will take something from you. Talking about the first one is moot. He will lose athletic ability after this one. All that "resilience" was not "resilience" on his body thoe. Thats the most important part. STAT was Mentally Strong with Injures but that NEVER stopped him from always getting them. Physical resilience and mental resilience are two different things, and of right now Jabari Physical Fortitude is highly questionable.

I don't know to be honest. After the first one, nobody expected dude to be yamming on everyone the way he was. His body is super young so his recovery crazy. I would take him for the pure fact that he's an upside asset.

[Jesus Juice]

I'm picking out the posters who had problems with DSJ's knee in the draft process so they could big up Frank and now want Jabari who tore the same ACL twice... Y'all ain't slick.

False equivalency

Ehhh it is, but it isn't. I agree Jabari is probably the best name to come out of these talks so far but people were saying they wouldn't draft DSJ because of his knee and now want a guy who tore up the same knee twice? Doesn't add up to me. I would do the deal because we can afford the risk of hoping Jabari gets back to like 85% of what he was and stays healthy. Also based on the market for Melo he's probably the best we could do prospect-wise even when taking his injury into account. A lot of people didn't want DSJ because of injury concern. That's a fact. You can't be concerned about DSJ's knee injury to the point of not wanting him and say you want Jabari in the same breath. That's hypocritical.

It isn't the same thing.. you are talking about drafting a player and player potential an acl injury before stepping foot in the NBA could be concerning. The second situation is trading a player with a no trade clause and diminishing for something of value... which clearly hasn't gone well not hypocritical its a different situation..

[HarthorneWingo]

2 ACL tears? No way

[Knicksfan1992]

False equivalency

Ehhh it is, but it isn't. I agree Jabari is probably the best name to come out of these talks so far but people were saying they wouldn't draft DSJ because of his knee and now want a guy who tore up the same knee twice? Doesn't add up to me. I would do the deal because we can afford the risk of hoping Jabari gets back to like 85% of what he was and stays healthy. Also based on the market for Melo he's probably the best we could do prospect-wise even when taking his injury into account. A lot of people didn't want DSJ because of injury concern. That's a fact. You can't be concerned about DSJ's knee injury to the point of not wanting him and say you want Jabari in the same breath. That's hypocritical.

It isn't the same thing.. you are talking about drafting a player and player potential an acl injury before stepping foot in the NBA could be concerning. The second situation is trading a player with a no trade clause and diminishing for something of value... which clearly hasn't gone well not hypocritical its a different situation..

At the end of the day you're clamoring to take on a young player with 2 acl tears no? Please tell me again how it is not hypocritical to want Jabari when there are other healthy options and not want Dennis Smith for exactly that reason. You and I both don't know how Jabari is going to come back from a 2nd acl tear on the same knee so don't give me that he's established his value already over DSJ crap. Fact of the matter is this board had a war on Frank vs. DSJ in the draft thread and the light is showing on some dudes who used DSJ's knee injury against him to prop up Frank while wanting Jabari and his bum knee to come here. And just so Mecca knows I'm not talking about him

[Jalen Bluntson]

Also I doubt any trade gets done soon with a new owner. The guy just spent 2.2 billion to buy a new team. Most acquisitions try to get their money back asap. Will that happen with Melo primed for a new contract while you live in luxury tax hell?

The more time goes by the more Melo seems to be stuck a knick for one more year. Which sucks for the tank.

Melo can use his NTC to stay on a rebuild He wanted no part of. It's a brilliant strategy! Hold out for nowhere. Ride the bench a lot. Risk injury in a losing situation. Should be fun for him. Probably good for his brand too.

He's a moron

[Jalen Bluntson]

Ehhh it is, but it isn't. I agree Jabari is probably the best name to come out of these talks so far but people were saying they wouldn't draft DSJ because of his knee and now want a guy who tore up the same knee twice? Doesn't add up to me. I would do the deal because we can afford the risk of hoping Jabari gets back to like 85% of what he was and stays healthy. Also based on the market for Melo he's probably the best we could do prospect-wise even when taking his injury into account. A lot of people didn't want DSJ because of injury concern. That's a fact. You can't be concerned about DSJ's knee injury to the point of not wanting him and say you want Jabari in the same breath. That's hypocritical.

It isn't the same thing.. you are talking about drafting a player and player potential an acl injury before stepping foot in the NBA could be concerning. The second situation is trading a player with a no trade clause and diminishing for something of value... which clearly hasn't gone well not hypocritical its a different situation..

At the end of the day you're clamoring to take on a young player with 2 acl tears no? Please tell me again how it is not hypocritical to want Jabari when there are other healthy options and not want Dennis Smith for exactly that reason. You and I both don't know how Jabari is going to come back from a 2nd acl tear on the same knee so don't give me that he's established his value already over DSJ crap. Fact of the matter is this board had a war on Frank vs. DSJ in the draft thread and the light is showing on some dudes who used DSJ's knee injury against him to prop up Frank while wanting Jabari and his bum knee to come here. And just so Mecca knows I'm not talking about him

So...both parties are idiots for wanting either player. Cool? Let's move on now.

Frank is a better prospect and Jabari is lousy trade value.