Official 2020 Mets Thread, p. 50

[mpharris36]

Sounds like you're trading Noah for a bunch of junk on top of letter Wheeler go.

Nope.

You sniff at a starting CF which this team desperately needs.

A #3 type starting pitching (young and talented)

A 8th inning young back end bullpen guy to team with Lugo/Wilson/diaz

1-2 top prospects to help build the farm

Absolutely a good package for Noah who has been underwhelming and can’t hold runners on which we keep him from elite status because singles/walks turn into doubles and triples

I'll have to run this by BnO

BnO has a hard on for Noah and outside of the one wild card game vs the giants dude has not lived up to the hype. He didn’t come through all year basically. An over 4 era for this guy?

And don’t give me with its on the Mets defense crap. Degrom deals with the same stuff and doesn’t complain about who he is pitching too he goes out and dominates. Noah goes out an underwhelms.


Don’t get me wrong. Good pitcher but we aren’t going to pay him a huge contract so get a big return for him now

He also can’t hold runners on which is a huge problem. Teams nearly steal on him double as much as any other pitcher. That is a huge issue especially if we are in big games (playoffs) etc.

[blueNorange]

degrom is a hall of fame caliber talent, don't compare himt noah who's not even 27.

congrats mpharris, you've been duped by the wilpon spin thinking noah is the bad guy here.

lets remember that the first half of the season the team made noah, a sinker ball pitcher, ditch his sinker for a 4 seam fastball.

[HarthorneWingo]

degrom is a hall of fame caliber talent, don't compare himt noah who's not even 27.

congrats mpharris, you've been duped by the wilpon spin thinking noah is the bad guy here.

lets remember that the first half of the season the team made noah, a sinker ball pitcher, ditch his sinker for a 4 seam fastball.

I heard the TV booth say it was the other way around. That Noah refused to use the four seam fast ball.

[mpharris36]

degrom is a hall of fame caliber talent, don't compare himt noah who's not even 27.

congrats mpharris, you've been duped by the wilpon spin thinking noah is the bad guy here.

lets remember that the first half of the season the team made noah, a sinker ball pitcher, ditch his sinker for a 4 seam fastball.

I heard the TV booth say it was the other way around. That Noah refused to use the four seam fast ball.

BnO needs to stop because no one is telling Noah what to throw just like no one is telling Matz or wheeler what to throw and guess what they all had pretty similar seasons except Noah is expected to be our 1a pitcher (a second ace). He’s pitched like more of an #3.

No one is suggesting giving him away but the Mets aren’t going to pay him. We all know that and why should that he hasn’t shown the consistency to earn a +100M contract. So while he has a lot of value and you can get proper return they should absolutely consider making the move.

He pitched to 3 different catches his last 3 starts all with mediocre results.

[blueNorange]

you know who the mets aren't also going to pay? wheeler!

the guy with sources said mets already going to move noah, so expect a terrible trade where the mets get little to no talent and see noah be an top tier pitcher(which he already is).

they're going to re-sign wheeler.

next year the mets will trot out degrom, stroman, and matz as the top 3 ... so congrats mpharris, you'll learn how to appreciate noah once he's gone.

[blueNorange]

degrom is a hall of fame caliber talent, don't compare himt noah who's not even 27.

congrats mpharris, you've been duped by the wilpon spin thinking noah is the bad guy here.

lets remember that the first half of the season the team made noah, a sinker ball pitcher, ditch his sinker for a 4 seam fastball.

I heard the TV booth say it was the other way around. That Noah refused to use the four seam fast ball.

yeah because he's a sinker ball pitcher and a 4 seam fastball stays straight and up. the first couple of months he was using a 4 seam fastball, the booth would always bring it up.

2 seam sinks, but noah wasn't given the best defense behind him.

[mpharris36]

you know who the mets aren't also going to pay? wheeler!

the guy with sources said mets already going to move noah, so expect a terrible trade where the mets get little to no talent and see noah be an top tier pitcher(which he already is).

they're going to re-sign wheeler.

next year the mets will trot out degrom, stroman, and matz as the top 3 ... so congrats mpharris, you'll learn how to appreciate noah once he's gone.

The mets will offer the QO to wheeler. And no one is defending the Mets cheapness. Also why don’t you plug in a good starter for Noah in a trade? You know the Mets aren’t trading Noah for prospects so they will get arms back in a trade that can help now.

[blueNorange]

you know who the mets aren't also going to pay? wheeler!

the guy with sources said mets already going to move noah, so expect a terrible trade where the mets get little to no talent and see noah be an top tier pitcher(which he already is).

they're going to re-sign wheeler.

next year the mets will trot out degrom, stroman, and matz as the top 3 ... so congrats mpharris, you'll learn how to appreciate noah once he's gone.

The mets will offer the QO to wheeler. And no one is defending the Mets cheapness. Also why don’t you plug in a good starter for Noah in a trade? You know the Mets aren’t trading Noah for prospects so they will get arms back in a trade that can help now.

whatever starter they get, won't be 1/5 the pitcher noah is.

also ask yourself this, wheeler's QO will be anywhere between 16-19mm ... in what world do the wilpons say yes to this? especially when the mets were ready to trade wheeler to the yankees or astros but nothing materialized last minute at the deadline.

[blueNorange]

the mets are a worse team without noah, whoever they trade noah for won't be good value, and the mets will suck again when they have degrom, a #1, stroman who's a #3, and matz.

all because wheeler is too expensive, which happens when you're good, and wilpons convinced the met fans that noah is evil.

[mpharris36]

you know who the mets aren't also going to pay? wheeler!

the guy with sources said mets already going to move noah, so expect a terrible trade where the mets get little to no talent and see noah be an top tier pitcher(which he already is).

they're going to re-sign wheeler.

next year the mets will trot out degrom, stroman, and matz as the top 3 ... so congrats mpharris, you'll learn how to appreciate noah once he's gone.

The mets will offer the QO to wheeler. And no one is defending the Mets cheapness. Also why don’t you plug in a good starter for Noah in a trade? You know the Mets aren’t trading Noah for prospects so they will get arms back in a trade that can help now.

whatever starter they get, won't be 1/5 the pitcher noah is.

also ask yourself this, wheeler's QO will be anywhere between 16-19mm ... in what world do the wilpons say yes to this? especially when the mets were ready to trade wheeler to the yankees or astros but nothing materialized last minute at the deadline.

Plenty of starters around the majors have a 4.2 era in sure we can find someone

[blueNorange]

The mets will offer the QO to wheeler. And no one is defending the Mets cheapness. Also why don’t you plug in a good starter for Noah in a trade? You know the Mets aren’t trading Noah for prospects so they will get arms back in a trade that can help now.

whatever starter they get, won't be 1/5 the pitcher noah is.

also ask yourself this, wheeler's QO will be anywhere between 16-19mm ... in what world do the wilpons say yes to this? especially when the mets were ready to trade wheeler to the yankees or astros but nothing materialized last minute at the deadline.

Plenty of starters around the majors have a 4.2 era in sure we can find someone

if you think noah is a 4.3 era pitcher and not having a down season where:

- the team made him pitch not to his strength
- had ramos, a pitcher nobody but matz likes throwing too, catch his starts
- zero infield defense
- front office showed zero confidence in noah from the start.

[mpharris36]

I think your point would hold more substance to it if all the other pitchers on the roster had similar effects to Noah.

I would say that everyone else on the staff pitched to there talent level outside of Noah.

But none of that is Noah fault? So Noah complete and udder ability to hold runners on is not his fault?

You reference the FIP stat which is a solid stat but most of Noah’s issues are because he can’t hold runners on. That is why his FIP is so low.

One walk or bloop single turns into a run more with him then any other pitcher because he gives up so many stolen bases.

The fact you haven’t put any bit of blame on non isn concerning. This isn’t Steven Matz or wheeler we are talking about Noah was suppose to be a top 10 pitcher in baseball. He has not lived up to that and making excuses for him are weak IMO.

I have something for him. Stop worrying about all that extra **** and just pitch better. Gary and Bowie to long time Mets fans both think Noah needs to have some accountability for his lack of success. So we need to stop making excuses for him because he’s been average for how good he was suppose to be.

[blueNorange]

it was never a thing until the wilpons made it a thing, he now pitches with eyes on him.

but don't worry you'll get your wish, mets are going to sell low on him and get nothing in return. you'll get to see him be a 27 year old ace on another team while the mets #2 is stroman, who's a mid rotation pitcher and also needs a good infield defense to succeed(that's why he's been struggling with the mets), and matz who's a back end starter.

who are they going to sign in the offseason? not gerrit cole, more likely either tanner roark or rick porcello -- which is a significant downgrade from thor.

but hey you get what you wished for.

[HarthorneWingo]

If we’re going to lose Noah and Wheeler, then you’re going to have to give me some names of pitchers you’re going to replace them with. Don’t give me this “I’m sure we’ll find a couple decent middle of the rotation pitchers” thing ... especially if you’re gonna keep Lugo in the bullpen (where he doesn’t want to stay anymore).

[mpharris36]

If we’re going to lose Noah and Wheeler, then you’re going to have to give me some names of pitchers you’re going to replace them with. Don’t give me this “I’m sure we’ll find a couple decent middle of the rotation pitchers” thing ... especially if you’re gonna keep Lugo in the bullpen (where he doesn’t want to stay anymore).

who's says we are getting rid of wheeler. I'm giving him the QO offer

[HarthorneWingo]

If we’re going to lose Noah and Wheeler, then you’re going to have to give me some names of pitchers you’re going to replace them with. Don’t give me this “I’m sure we’ll find a couple decent middle of the rotation pitchers” thing ... especially if you’re gonna keep Lugo in the bullpen (where he doesn’t want to stay anymore).

who's says we are getting rid of wheeler. I'm giving him the QO offer

Wheeler's not taking that. Houston will sign him to a multiyear deal after the Yankees sign Cole.

[blueNorange]

it's going to suck hard when they trade thor for nothing, let wheeler walk, and then trade one of nimmo/conforto to obtain a starter.

[HarthorneWingo]

it's going to suck hard when they trade thor for nothing, let wheeler walk, and then trade one of nimmo/conforto to obtain a starter.

Trading Thor for nothing and letting Wheeler go (after he rejects our QO) is the worst case scenario re those two. Hopefully, Brodie is aware of that. If we could keep Wheeler at 4/$80-90, I would do that. But I'm moving Lugo to the starting rotation. We can get a solid reliever and a CF for Noah and maybe more if we include JD Davis, who is really a DH. He can't field.

[blueNorange]

lugo isn’t good 3rd time around, enough with this bs. he’s an elite 2 inning relief pitcher and a #5 starter.

brodie’s creativity will be trading conforto for a starter and then signing tanner roark.

[YungKnicks]

Keep Noah, if Wheeler is too expensive replace him with Lugo... spend Wheeler Q money in the bullpen... Mets biggest weakness.