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DaGawd wrote:A lot of "weak" drafts end up being pretty damn good in hindsight. One of the reasons I'm not that down on this class..but I will say it's harder to see the few who might bloom later from what we have on these guys so far
3toheadmelo wrote:Usually when this board overwhelmingly hates a player they turn out very good. Wiseman is next!
3toheadmelo wrote:Usually when this board overwhelmingly hates a player they turn out very good. Wiseman is next!
HEZI wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Usually when this board overwhelmingly hates a player they turn out very good. Wiseman is next!
mpharris36 wrote:DaGawd wrote:A lot of "weak" drafts end up being pretty damn good in hindsight. One of the reasons I'm not that down on this class..but I will say it's harder to see the few who might bloom later from what we have on these guys so far
thats my overall concern. There is talent in this draft but being able to separate who might bloom in the NBA is going to be tough with the limited seasons and possibly limited combines...
Killian Hayes is already a dynamic basketball player despite being just 18. He is willing to take anyone off of the dribble. He isn’t the most explosive player and doesn’t have the quickest first step, but has a smooth game not unlike D’Angelo Russell.
Having a deep bag does not directly attribute to success at the next level. It certainly helps in creating space and opportunities for a player, but you still need to be able to convert. Killian Hayes has shown the capability of doing both.
Killian is so light on his feet. His step-back is of the James Harden/Luka Doncic variety where it looks like a travel, but is rightfully rarely called because he only takes two steps after the gather. The quick crossovers and tight handle that Killian brings make up for that lack of an elite first step.
The ball is quite literally kept on a string when in Hayes’s hands.
That’s not to say that the quick first step won’t come. He’s very young and will get stronger and faster as he develops in the NBA.
His passing acumen is spectacular. Killian never forces a cross court pass when a defender can possibly cut off the passing lane. He always makes strong and direct passes to his teammates and will make the extra pass every single time. Hayes makes some great plays out of the pick and roll as well. Killian shows the patience and intelligence needed from an initiator when he gets into the lane. He doesn’t play at a blistering pace and is the first player to try to get the team to slow down when appropriate.
Many people are claiming this to be a very poor draft, but if Killian Hayes can reach his potential, he’ll make this draft worth it.
3toheadmelo wrote:HEZI wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Usually when this board overwhelmingly hates a player they turn out very good. Wiseman is next!
At least Cole has more than 2 fans here
3toheadmelo wrote:Usually when this board overwhelmingly hates a player they turn out very good. Wiseman is next!
RHODEY wrote:mpharris36 wrote:DaGawd wrote:A lot of "weak" drafts end up being pretty damn good in hindsight. One of the reasons I'm not that down on this class..but I will say it's harder to see the few who might bloom later from what we have on these guys so far
thats my overall concern. There is talent in this draft but being able to separate who might bloom in the NBA is going to be tough with the limited seasons and possibly limited combines...
I think re overthinking this my brotha
The talent we need will likely be there for us ...we just need to choose him...
https://basketballsocietyonline.com/killian-hayes-should-be-considered-for-the-first-overall-pick-in-the-2020-nba-draftKillian Hayes is already a dynamic basketball player despite being just 18. He is willing to take anyone off of the dribble. He isn’t the most explosive player and doesn’t have the quickest first step, but has a smooth game not unlike D’Angelo Russell.
Having a deep bag does not directly attribute to success at the next level. It certainly helps in creating space and opportunities for a player, but you still need to be able to convert. Killian Hayes has shown the capability of doing both.Killian is so light on his feet. His step-back is of the James Harden/Luka Doncic variety where it looks like a travel, but is rightfully rarely called because he only takes two steps after the gather. The quick crossovers and tight handle that Killian brings make up for that lack of an elite first step.
The ball is quite literally kept on a string when in Hayes’s hands.That’s not to say that the quick first step won’t come. He’s very young and will get stronger and faster as he develops in the NBA.
His passing acumen is spectacular. Killian never forces a cross court pass when a defender can possibly cut off the passing lane. He always makes strong and direct passes to his teammates and will make the extra pass every single time. Hayes makes some great plays out of the pick and roll as well. Killian shows the patience and intelligence needed from an initiator when he gets into the lane. He doesn’t play at a blistering pace and is the first player to try to get the team to slow down when appropriate.Many people are claiming this to be a very poor draft, but if Killian Hayes can reach his potential, he’ll make this draft worth it.
3toheadmelo wrote:HEZI wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Usually when this board overwhelmingly hates a player they turn out very good. Wiseman is next!
At least Cole has more than 2 fans here
mpharris36 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Usually when this board overwhelmingly hates a player they turn out very good. Wiseman is next!
I don't think people hate wiseman, they just don't want him on the knicks for obvious reasons. One being we already have a really good young center. He's probably the best big in the draft though.
3toheadmelo wrote:mpharris36 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Usually when this board overwhelmingly hates a player they turn out very good. Wiseman is next!
I don't think people hate wiseman, they just don't want him on the knicks for obvious reasons. One being we already have a really good young center. He's probably the best big in the draft though.
Ya but some people selling him short comparing him to Deandre Jordan and saying he’s just a rim runner like Mitch. I’m tryna tell y’all he’s much more than that! He’s Bosh with an AD body in my eyes. But y’all will see soon..
3toheadmelo wrote:mpharris36 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Usually when this board overwhelmingly hates a player they turn out very good. Wiseman is next!
I don't think people hate wiseman, they just don't want him on the knicks for obvious reasons. One being we already have a really good young center. He's probably the best big in the draft though.
Ya but some people selling him short comparing him to Deandre Jordan and saying he’s just a rim runner like Mitch. I’m tryna tell y’all he’s much more than that! He’s Bosh with an AD body in my eyes. But y’all will see soon..
robillionaire wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
I don't think people hate wiseman, they just don't want him on the knicks for obvious reasons. One being we already have a really good young center. He's probably the best big in the draft though.
Ya but some people selling him short comparing him to Deandre Jordan and saying he’s just a rim runner like Mitch. I’m tryna tell y’all he’s much more than that! He’s Bosh with an AD body in my eyes. But y’all will see soon..
I said prime Deandre Jordan who btw was an all-star I mean saying he’s all-star caliber center isn’t short selling him lol what do you want us to say he’s going to be the next Kareem Abdul Jabbar
3toheadmelo wrote:robillionaire wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Ya but some people selling him short comparing him to Deandre Jordan and saying he’s just a rim runner like Mitch. I’m tryna tell y’all he’s much more than that! He’s Bosh with an AD body in my eyes. But y’all will see soon..
I said prime Deandre Jordan who btw was an all-star I mean saying he’s all-star caliber center isn’t short selling him lol what do you want us to say he’s going to be the next Kareem Abdul Jabbar
mpharris36 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
I don't think people hate wiseman, they just don't want him on the knicks for obvious reasons. One being we already have a really good young center. He's probably the best big in the draft though.
Ya but some people selling him short comparing him to Deandre Jordan and saying he’s just a rim runner like Mitch. I’m tryna tell y’all he’s much more than that! He’s Bosh with an AD body in my eyes. But y’all will see soon..
To be fair he has only basically showed Deandre Jordan so far (outside of like 2 shots at the college level). Which is no knock on him at all. Jordan made the all star team. Was part of the NBA 3rd team twice. Was part of the NBA all defensive 1st team twice. And led the league in rebounding for two years.
Chris Bosh obviously showed a lot more in terms of skills, perimeter play, and post game at Georgia Tech at the same age.
Whether or not jumper and post game translates is a huge question. You obviously think it will. Others might think that is overblowing his skillset. Thats not hating
3toheadmelo wrote:So let’s say Wisemans jumper is legit... what do y’all think of a Wiseman x Mitch front court. Defensively they can be a nightmare for opposing teams imo.
3toheadmelo wrote:mpharris36 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:Ya but some people selling him short comparing him to Deandre Jordan and saying he’s just a rim runner like Mitch. I’m tryna tell y’all he’s much more than that! He’s Bosh with an AD body in my eyes. But y’all will see soon..
To be fair he has only basically showed Deandre Jordan so far (outside of like 2 shots at the college level). Which is no knock on him at all. Jordan made the all star team. Was part of the NBA 3rd team twice. Was part of the NBA all defensive 1st team twice. And led the league in rebounding for two years.
Chris Bosh obviously showed a lot more in terms of skills, perimeter play, and post game at Georgia Tech at the same age.
Whether or not jumper and post game translates is a huge question. You obviously think it will. Others might think that is overblowing his skillset. Thats not hating
It is considered hate when y’all bringing up old irrelevant high school stats and random clips of Cole Anthony making a layup on him
3toheadmelo wrote:So let’s say Wisemans jumper is legit... what do y’all think of a Wiseman x Mitch front court. Defensively they can be a nightmare for opposing teams imo.
camillepd wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:So let’s say Wisemans jumper is legit... what do y’all think of a Wiseman x Mitch front court. Defensively they can be a nightmare for opposing teams imo.
Man if the front office determines that Wiseman and Mitch can play together, and Wiseman was still there at our pick, it would be a dream. We’d have to take him even over a promising point guard one would think!!!