PG: Knicks-Hawks aka 1,2,3,Cancun! (Hawks win series 4-1)

[prophet_of_rage]

We were the 4th seed and all those teams missed the playoffs. How will the pacers leap frog us simply by virtue of having the 13th pick when we have 19 and 21? Unless they win the lottery. You think whatever rookie they take 13th is somehow putting them over the top and our picks will be useless?

Most of those teams had covid outbreaks or suffered injuries to their first or second best players, we got really lucky with injuries outside of Mitch. How could they leapfrog us? They're getting a lottery pick AND TJ warren back, they'll most likely trade Turner this summer too, he's going to get them a nice return, or they could trade their pick with Turner and TJ

Knicks were clearly not a 4-seed

Hawks are better

Heat are better but dealt w/ covid

Celtics are better but also dealt w/ covid and Brown missing a bunch of games

Hornets were playing really well before Hayward got hurt. LaMelo looks like a potential star + they have cap space and a higher pick than we do

Pacers had injury issues: Warren and Turner, but that team is pretty talented, potential starting 5 of Brogdon/LeVert/Warren/Sabonis/Turner......also they were a 4-seed last yr and are in the lottery so goes to show how its no guarantee Knicks are a playoff team next yr.

even the Wizards got their sh*t together

and the Bulls have LaVine and Vuc, who are better than our top 2 players. they also have cap space and a 20.3% chance at keeping their pick (which would be big trouble for us)

this offseason is very important and the Knicks NEED to hit on their picks and utilize their cap space well otherwise they'll be back in the lotto next yr

the big issue tho is that you need a #1 to be a contender....really you need multiple #1's....but we don't even have 1

also for those of you who completely dismiss the tank crowd, it is a legitimate point of view. landing a superstar talent is vital to NBA success and the chance at getting one >>>> a 1st round playoff exit. I've used this example before and I'll use it again: the Mavs and the Hawks ain't upset that they missed the playoffs in 2017/18....b/c it led to Luka and Trae

So next year if we get blitzes because lottery teams pass us up we end up in a lottery too.

Either we win and go to the playoffs or we hit the lottery and acquire talent. We benefit either way.

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[Davis18]

Like it or not we need Randle to bounce back. No doubt he choked badly and played like a rattled bum but without his promise going forward we are just a weak collection of minimum contract vets and underwhelming youngsters. So even though it feels all wrong I'm onboard the Ju train for another year.

I think it's ok to get off Ju train.
Like someone mentioned, if Ju cannot handle play making then Obi might be better answer at PF long term.
Ju doesn't do little things to win ball games such as contest shots, play help defense, box out & etc., and he is not at the status to disregard that aspects of game.

[bearadonisdna]

It was good to exorcise the lol knicks narrative.
If you guys are trying to say you would rather have a tank year than the regular season the knicks had then you must not like getting respected.

Sure the Hocks disrespected the knicks but it says more about their character than the knicks.

It feels like thibs nerfed the team . He made reverse adjustments. His adjustments went from the knicks being competitive to being a lap dog. Seemingly he should get a ton of blame for this series but it would be like accosting lebron if he stinks in the finals.

[HarthorneWingo]

It was good to exorcise the lol knicks narrative.
If you guys are trying to say you would rather have a tank year than the regular season the knicks had then you must not like getting respected.

Sure the Hocks disrespected the knicks but it says more about their character than the knicks.

It feels like thibs nerfed the team . He made reverse adjustments. His adjustments went from the knicks being competitive to being a lap dog. Seemingly he should get a ton of blame for this series but it would be like accosting lebron if he stinks in the finals.

We had a very good year and we took steps towards learning what it means to be a winning franchise. Thibs's "adjustments" - or lack thereof - were frustrating to say the least. I'm not sure he's the one to take us to the promised land but, for right now, I think he's what we need.

[bearadonisdna]

It was good to exorcise the lol knicks narrative.
If you guys are trying to say you would rather have a tank year than the regular season the knicks had then you must not like getting respected.

Sure the Hocks disrespected the knicks but it says more about their character than the knicks.

It feels like thibs nerfed the team . He made reverse adjustments. His adjustments went from the knicks being competitive to being a lap dog. Seemingly he should get a ton of blame for this series but it would be like accosting lebron if he stinks in the finals.

We had a very good year and we took steps towards learning what it means to be a winning franchise. Thibs's "adjustments" - or lack thereof - were frustrating to say the least. I'm not sure he's the one to take us to the promised land but, for right now, I think he's what we need.

He has got the Ol’ ball coach vibe but it was like he wasn’t ready or willing for the big show.

[knickstape4ever]

Most of those teams had covid outbreaks or suffered injuries to their first or second best players, we got really lucky with injuries outside of Mitch. How could they leapfrog us? They're getting a lottery pick AND TJ warren back, they'll most likely trade Turner this summer too, he's going to get them a nice return, or they could trade their pick with Turner and TJ

Knicks were clearly not a 4-seed

Hawks are better

Heat are better but dealt w/ covid

Celtics are better but also dealt w/ covid and Brown missing a bunch of games

Hornets were playing really well before Hayward got hurt. LaMelo looks like a potential star + they have cap space and a higher pick than we do

Pacers had injury issues: Warren and Turner, but that team is pretty talented, potential starting 5 of Brogdon/LeVert/Warren/Sabonis/Turner......also they were a 4-seed last yr and are in the lottery so goes to show how its no guarantee Knicks are a playoff team next yr.

even the Wizards got their sh*t together

and the Bulls have LaVine and Vuc, who are better than our top 2 players. they also have cap space and a 20.3% chance at keeping their pick (which would be big trouble for us)

this offseason is very important and the Knicks NEED to hit on their picks and utilize their cap space well otherwise they'll be back in the lotto next yr

the big issue tho is that you need a #1 to be a contender....really you need multiple #1's....but we don't even have 1

also for those of you who completely dismiss the tank crowd, it is a legitimate point of view. landing a superstar talent is vital to NBA success and the chance at getting one >>>> a 1st round playoff exit. I've used this example before and I'll use it again: the Mavs and the Hawks ain't upset that they missed the playoffs in 2017/18....b/c it led to Luka and Trae

The Hawks have been irrelevant till this season though. You just can’t say let’s wait to draft a superstar. You gotta build around him. The Knicks don’t have enough patience to do that. Tank crowd might as well cheer for a diff team because the Knicks will never truly tank like small market teams. It’s a waste of energy debating this.

and that's the issue. the Knicks are constantly looking for the quick fix, a strategy that has burned them over and over again

[HarthorneWingo]

It was good to exorcise the lol knicks narrative.
If you guys are trying to say you would rather have a tank year than the regular season the knicks had then you must not like getting respected.

Sure the Hocks disrespected the knicks but it says more about their character than the knicks.

It feels like thibs nerfed the team . He made reverse adjustments. His adjustments went from the knicks being competitive to being a lap dog. Seemingly he should get a ton of blame for this series but it would be like accosting lebron if he stinks in the finals.

We had a very good year and we took steps towards learning what it means to be a winning franchise. Thibs's "adjustments" - or lack thereof - were frustrating to say the least. I'm not sure he's the one to take us to the promised land but, for right now, I think he's what we need.

He has got the Ol’ ball coach vibe but it was like he wasn’t ready or willing for the big show.

Yeah, true. It's frustrating yet look at the season we had. I just wish he trusted the rest of the roster a little bit more.

[FlashFlood]

Congrats to the Hawks.

I think Thibs misplayed the 3rd quarter. Nate McMillan outcoached him there and neutralized the Knick offense. He needed to come in with IQ, Burks and Toppin much faster. IQ clearly had it going and he was ready to make a difference. What happens if he came in early in the quarter? Maybe the Knicks cut the lead and head into the final minutes with a fighting chance.

Hats off to the 2021 Knicks. It's been a terrific year for the team and the fans. As an organization they're not perfect, but like Randle they're most improved management wise as well. May we get more playoffs next year and for a long time to come!

[Adelheid]

It was good to exorcise the lol knicks narrative.
If you guys are trying to say you would rather have a tank year than the regular season the knicks had then you must not like getting respected.

Sure the Hocks disrespected the knicks but it says more about their character than the knicks.

It feels like thibs nerfed the team . He made reverse adjustments. His adjustments went from the knicks being competitive to being a lap dog. Seemingly he should get a ton of blame for this series but it would be like accosting lebron if he stinks in the finals.

It was nice and at the same time, weird feeling to realize that even NBA HCs do make very human mistakes.

Certainly feels like it when he put Derrick at starting pg (the rest of us arent clamoring for Rose to start at all) and destroyed 2nd unit chemistry.

[FreeSpiritNY]

Shout out to all the people who said I was acting irate about randle in the first game the second and the third game. Well it looks like like the 4th and 5th game validated my point. He is not a franchise player. He is someone of value you trade and get more young talent for. If there was a all star free relent we can get this year you get him help then you keep him. “well there is no franchise Allstar players on the market” “his asking price is to high” oh and did I mention he also had the worst playoff series in the nba’s shot clock era?.

He’s what you call fake hard. He does a lot of fake hustling and is very on off with his motor.


I’m just going to count this as a victory for my self that I was validated I was not being irate and irrational. On the contrary I was being rational. The people who were irrational were the was delusional enough to think he was going to have a big game.

If we never had fans again I sign him to a max.

But that’s not the case he is a mental midget and should only make half of what he want from the max .


Have a good safe summer everyone. I will apologize if I angered anyone. I’ve been going through a hard time in my life and watching the Knicks during that run brought some much needed positivity in my life. Although I made the mistake on relying on them to only disappoint me.

God bless everyone and I’ll say at least obi showed flashes. Quickley a lot of flashes during the season. RJ needs to work more. But I’ll be be honest he has showed flashes as well. Take care everyone.

So five games negate the previous 70?

70 games of almost no fans which = no pressure. He looked good. It's easier to communicate.

but then The primary factor of having fans back in the building he looked like 2019 randle again.....thats a big risk you don't go throwing a max contact at.


Here ill flip it for you


8 years of service and only 1 good year. You want to throw the bank at him?

Doesn't that sound familiar to you?

It's not like he had a bad playoff series he had the worst in nba history


get your head out the gutter and open your eyes. Dont jump the gun.

[xNewYorkMadex]

RJ needs to become better at his iso game & finishing at the rim.

That will get the team and him to a next level. RJ is so damn bad at finishing at the rim and has no type of fluidity w/ his handle. It’s easy to stick a bad defender on him since he can’t really create for himself effectively yet.

Knicks offense is a damn train wreck, kinda glad don’t have to see this offense again for at least several months. Just a pain to watch.

Props to Julius for his amazing regular season, but man, this dude had one of the worst playoff performances of all time. Didn’t even have 1 below average game, they all ranged from bad to downright awful.

[cgmw]

3am big takeaways:

1) Personally I’ve been grieving the loss of a very close loved one that I’ve never mentioned here, and can I just take a minute to say THANK YOU to my Knicks for the timing this year of giving me something to enjoy during a dark time. Your biggest fan was upstairs cheering his ass off all season long, and probably putting in the good word.

People will bitch about Julius and follow Berman down the rabbit hole of entitled negativity, but let’s not forget the absolute life force exuded by a Garden crowd who’d been cooped up and, like me, suffering a year or two of personal hell.

I loved following these hard-working underdogs, even the parts where I moan about their failures. Years from now no one will remember a damn thing except how f*cking lit the Garden faithful was (and I mean faithful!) rooting for their boys.

2) Yeah no F*cking sh*t a Tom Thibodeau team will overperform the regular season. No f*cking sh*t the Hawks have a better roster from doing a conventional/proper rebuild where they stacked the deck to get Trae and a supporting cast. Anyone shocked by this outcome, I applaud your willful blindness and will chalk it up to love.

3) Let’s Go Knicks. I was transported back to the glory days, if only briefly, and for that I’ll keep rooting like the dumb happy sheep I am. Excited to see where Leon and Wes take us from here.

4) If you feel vengeance, which is your right, I encourage you to place it where it belongs — in stinking ass New Jersey (or hipsterfied plastic BK) with the fugazey NJ Nets.

That is all. Goodnight!

[HarthorneWingo]

3am big takeaways:

1) Personally I’ve been grieving the loss of a very close loved one that I’ve never mentioned here, and can I just take a minute to say THANK YOU to my Knicks for the timing this year of giving me something to enjoy during a dark time. Your biggest fan was upstairs cheering his ass off all season long, and probably putting in the good word.

People will bitch about Julius and follow Berman down the rabbit hole of entitled negativity, but let’s not forget the absolute life force exuded by a Garden crowd who’d been cooped up and, like me, suffering a year or two of personal hell.

I loved following these hard-working underdogs, even the parts where I moan about their failures. Years from now no one will remember a damn thing except how f*cking lit the Garden faithful was (and I mean faithful!) rooting for their boys.

2) Yeah no F*cking sh*t a Tom Thibodeau team will overperform the regular season. No f*cking sh*t the Hawks have a better roster from doing a conventional/proper rebuild where they stacked the deck to get Trae and a supporting cast. Anyone shocked by this outcome, I applaud your willful blindness and will chalk it up to love.

3) Let’s Go Knicks. I was transported back to the glory days, if only briefly, and for that I’ll keep rooting like the dumb happy sheep I am. Excited to see where Leon and Wes take us from here.

4) If you feel vengeance, which is your right, I encourage you to place it where it belongs — in stinking ass New Jersey (or hipsterfied plastic BK) with the fugazey NJ Nets.

That is all. Goodnight!

Sorry for your loss.

The Hawks earned a lot of respect from me this series. They're young, athletics, deep, play tough defense, and are well-coached.

It'll be interesting to see what the FO does this off-season.

[2010]

I feel like we lost 90% of all the 50-50 balls all series. And for all the talk of playing tough, hard, and gritty... I ain’t see too many orange & blue jerseys diving for loose balls and/or offensive rebounds in the 5 games. I saw a lot of standing around and watching the Hawks outwork us for loose balls and their offensive rebounds, even when we had more bodies around the play.

Legitimate question... did all the minutes catch up to them? Were they tired?

[Jimmit79]

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Lmao this board teached him well "I'm 20" excuse for lack of hops skills handle unfortunately his athleticism will forever be college lvl and skills take decades of hard work.

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[Jstock12]

Lol Trae is the new Reggie Miller.

[NYKat]

3am big takeaways:

1) Personally I’ve been grieving the loss of a very close loved one that I’ve never mentioned here, and can I just take a minute to say THANK YOU to my Knicks for the timing this year of giving me something to enjoy during a dark time. Your biggest fan was upstairs cheering his ass off all season long, and probably putting in the good word.

People will bitch about Julius and follow Berman down the rabbit hole of entitled negativity, but let’s not forget the absolute life force exuded by a Garden crowd who’d been cooped up and, like me, suffering a year or two of personal hell.

I loved following these hard-working underdogs, even the parts where I moan about their failures. Years from now no one will remember a damn thing except how f*cking lit the Garden faithful was (and I mean faithful!) rooting for their boys.

2) Yeah no F*cking sh*t a Tom Thibodeau team will overperform the regular season. No f*cking sh*t the Hawks have a better roster from doing a conventional/proper rebuild where they stacked the deck to get Trae and a supporting cast. Anyone shocked by this outcome, I applaud your willful blindness and will chalk it up to love.

3) Let’s Go Knicks. I was transported back to the glory days, if only briefly, and for that I’ll keep rooting like the dumb happy sheep I am. Excited to see where Leon and Wes take us from here.

4) If you feel vengeance, which is your right, I encourage you to place it where it belongs — in stinking ass New Jersey (or hipsterfied plastic BK) with the fugazey NJ Nets.

That is all. Goodnight!

This is a post with real perspective. Sorry for your loss, sir.

At the end of the day, this team is who we thought they were at the beginning of the season, from a talent perspective. The played WAY over their head for the entire season and that should be considered commendable.

Knicks fans, who have experienced zero success, are just an entitled bunch, who have the nerve to trash the coach and players of a team, that overachieved massively, as soon as they lose a series to a more talented team.

The culture is set. We just have to continue to build this team intelligently.

[Separatista]

@cgmw,

I feel for you man and I can totally relate. Starting the season, I don’t expect nothing for this team. I was thinking of sh*tposting all season just to entertain myself and keep my mind off this pesky pandemic. I must say, I was pleasantly surprise by this team’s performance in the regular season. It’s been awhile where I was anticipating a game instead of just looking at the boxscore and saying “yep another blowout loss, what’s new”. I guess I’m too much of a fan that a knicks win could brighten my day up, which is stupid I know because it’s just basketball, but in these trying times you take enjoyment in the little things.

Now talking about this team. I want Obi and IQ to be a focal point next season. Specially Quickley, I don’t care if they’re on the bench or in the starting lineup, IQ has to be a problem for the other team.
I want RJ to develop a midrange. If he can develop a post-up fadeaway, much better. His dribble penetration used to be his strength now it became unreliable (no thanks to officials who swallow their whistles). I want him to eat his proteins, do some stregth training, hulk up and do some bully ball next season.
Randle, he done a lot of carrying this season. I can’t forget that, just like I can’t forget what Drose gave us this playoffs. Unfortunately, this playoffs performance really put a bad taste in my mouth and made me a little suspicious if they should build around him. I just hope he doesn’t regress cause the crowd is there to stay.
To the role players. Just keep Taj and DRose, dump everyone. Thank you for their service but they ran and hide when it mattered the most.
Looking forward to a no Elfrid Payton team next season and Mitch, get well soon man.

[Adelheid]

Aint expecting Payton to be re-signed back with Momma elf dishing the trashtalk.

[thebuzzardman]

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Is this true ? Smh. Trae Young’s family need to go somewhere with their BS

I swear, the people in this country are growing stupider by the minute.

I mean, I know it's that various forms of communications give people a platform to air their ill considered thoughts, things that would sound dumb just tumbling out of a mouth, but now get exposed to thousands, if not millions, with the same lack of mental effort, but still.

And it comes in all flavors. The white racist moron. The progressive moron. The arch conservative moron. Even people who want to virtue signal for an otherwise stellar causes, like BLM or LBGT etc, some of their supporters (obviously not the leaders) will come across as real play-doh brains.

I thought the number of people receiving college and even HS level education was only going up, yet so many people with Wheatina for brains.