OT: NFL 25 Draft and Beyond Thread

[jvsimonetti0514]

Ppl were confused about this at the time it happened but signing Russ was a really weird decision. Why wouldn’t just let Winston throw the ball all over the field? I think he’d handle our terrible line better than tiny Wilson does. We would have been watchable at least than the product that they put on the field. Maybe there was a better lineman than Hudson they could have paid with that extra 10 million. The bar is so low for me and this team that if they were just entertaining I’d be fine with whatever the results were.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Ppl were confused about this at the time it happened but signing Russ was a really weird decision. Why wouldn’t just let Winston throw the ball all over the field? I think he’d handle our terrible line better than tiny Wilson does. We would have been watchable at least than the product that they put on the field. Maybe there was a better lineman than Hudson they could have paid with that extra 10 million. The bar is so low for me and this team that if they were just entertaining I’d be fine with whatever the results were.

nah it wasn't that confusing or weird a decision.

schoen and daboll made decisions as if their job was on the line for the upcoming season. they believed that russ offered a better chance to win games than jameis which is fine and understandable. putting out a watchable product is not the priority for them.

the problem is the scouting and/or talent development and/or coaching lol, it's really too hard to tell, maybe it's all 3. all our draft picks are ass, the guys we pick up in free agency aren't working out either and guys like james hudson were obviously going to be ass going into the season. he was ass on the browns who also have a terrible o-line and didn't want him back

[GONYK]

It is September 9th and the season is f*cking over.

I mean you can't make this up.

Did you expect to make the playoffs?

Nope absolutely not.

But I expected to see some improvement. What we saw on Sunday was literally the same crap we've seen the last three years.

Like the more I go over the game the more I realize how lucky we were not to be blown out 35+ points to 6. Like yeah we were hanging on but Washington did themselves no favors.

Garbage run blocking. Awful pass pro. Defense got gutted up the middle. Linebackers played like dog sh*t. 2 red zone trips resulting in 6 points

Nothing has changed. I watched Bobby Skinner's OL breakdown and it didn't matter if AT was playing or not. These guys all look lost.

When the best blocking down of the game was performed by a rookie RB that reeks of breast milk, we have a serious problem.

If we get smacked by Dallas things are gonna get ugly. Nabers having a melt down already in Week 1 is a horrible sign.

If they fire Daboll mid season, so be it. He is the constant and he has no whipping boy to save his ass this year.

Eh, the way I'm looking at it, this season will be more watchable than the past because Dart and Winston will inevitably play and they are just more interesting.

That Washington game was complete dog sh*t and I'm beyond thinking Daboll can coach his way out of it, but at least there will be some new variables.

What's really glaring is that this is the worst game of Russ' career. Even if you think he's washed, the fall off from one season to the next shouldn't be this severe.

The inverse is that Daniel Jones didn't just become prolific overnight. Nothing he did against Miami was otherworldly.

I think that really points out the scheme is lacking.

Plus, I'm going to the game on Sunday and need to tell myself something

[GONYK]

Thomas out for the Cowboys game

[mpharris36]

Thomas out for the Cowboys game

I'm not putting Dart out there until Thomas is ready.

[GONYK]

Thomas out for the Cowboys game

I'm not putting Dart out there until Thomas is ready.

There's no reason to play Dart until we get through the first month.

Obviously, I mean there's no logical reason. It might happen because Daboll is coaching for his job and doesn't really care if Dart is ruined.

But yes, there is especially no reason to play Dart behind a compromised line. That's what we got the vets for.

Beyond that though, the line is bad, but Russ bailed from a lot of relatively clean pockets. Russ either didn't trust the line or the scheme.

[mpharris36]

Thomas out for the Cowboys game

I'm not putting Dart out there until Thomas is ready.

There's no reason to play Dart until we get through the first month.

Obviously, I mean there's no logical reason. It might happen because Daboll is coaching for his job and doesn't really care if Dart is ruined.

But yes, there is especially no reason to play Dart behind a compromised line. That's what we got the vets for.

Beyond that though, the line is bad, but Russ bailed from a lot of relatively clean pockets. Russ either didn't trust the line or the scheme.

Lot of outside pressure coming to start Dart.

We will see how long Daboll will hold on because right now Daboll is getting the blame for being a bad coach. Only way to change that would be to get better QB play and fast.

But they seem to continue to upping the timeline of Dart which also isn't ideal long term...unless he's actually ready.

[MrDollarBills]

Thomas out for the Cowboys game

I'm not putting Dart out there until Thomas is ready.

There's no reason to play Dart until we get through the first month.

Obviously, I mean there's no logical reason. It might happen because Daboll is coaching for his job and doesn't really care if Dart is ruined.

But yes, there is especially no reason to play Dart behind a compromised line. That's what we got the vets for.

Beyond that though, the line is bad, but Russ bailed from a lot of relatively clean pockets. Russ either didn't trust the line or the scheme.

I would honestly start Winston if Russell plays like crap in the first half. At least Jameis will work the middle of the field and throw deep balls to Nabers, Slayton, and Hyatt

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not putting Dart out there until Thomas is ready.

There's no reason to play Dart until we get through the first month.

Obviously, I mean there's no logical reason. It might happen because Daboll is coaching for his job and doesn't really care if Dart is ruined.

But yes, there is especially no reason to play Dart behind a compromised line. That's what we got the vets for.

Beyond that though, the line is bad, but Russ bailed from a lot of relatively clean pockets. Russ either didn't trust the line or the scheme.

Lot of outside pressure coming to start Dart.

We will see how long Daboll will hold on because right now Daboll is getting the blame for being a bad coach. Only way to change that would be to get better QB play and fast.

But they seem to continue to upping the timeline of Dart which also isn't ideal long term...unless he's actually ready.

Playing Dart out of desperation is not a good idea, I don't give one crap about Daboll or Schoen at this point.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Thomas out for the Cowboys game

I'm not putting Dart out there until Thomas is ready.

i think andrew thomas is cooked, he has ankle/foot problems every year. OT has to be a priority in the upcoming offseason

[MrDollarBills]

Thomas out for the Cowboys game

I'm not putting Dart out there until Thomas is ready.

i think andrew thomas is cooked, he has ankle/foot problems every year. OT has to be a priority in the upcoming offseason

Yep. He can't stay healthy

[GONYK]

I'm not putting Dart out there until Thomas is ready.

i think andrew thomas is cooked, he has ankle/foot problems every year. OT has to be a priority in the upcoming offseason

Yep. He can't stay healthy

I think the injuries are related, no? That's why he's taking the time to get healed once and for all (hopefully)

[GONYK]

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[MrDollarBills]

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A non issue to me. The kid wants to win. If he didn't care, then I'd be concerned. He should be upset. The offense looks horrible.

I'm more concerned with the fact that Brian Daboll and Joe Schoen are still employed.

[MrDollarBills]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/r5yUi1G4am

Tom Brady gives a great breakdown as to how inept a lot of NFL teams are at developing QBs compared to the tutelage he received in New England. This is really worth a watch.

I can honestly listen to Tom talk shop all day but this makes me think how horrible things are behind closed doors for the Giants. None of our players drafted under Daboll have developed at all. Malik is just pure talent, but everyone else seems to be no better than they were on draft day.

[DaGawd]

this team is poorly coached… way too many self inflicted wounds with these penalties

[DaGawd]

number 55 is ass

[Deeeez Knicks]

Not sure whether to laugh or cry

[mpharris36]

Daboll is a spineless loser for not benching Hudson

[Strick]

James Hudson had to have 5 penalties that drive. I’ve never seen anything like it. Put Marcus Mbow in there. He’s so much better of a player too.. this is madness