[ESPN] Knicks Have Deal In Place for 1st Rounder (Merging)

[god shammgod]

by the way, the knicks must feel there's a chance melo won't be available in the summer if they're looking into getting a 1st round pick for a trade

[Fury]

agreed Knicksfan, and that's what I've been preaching too, but this LeBron fiasco makes me think..."just get the superstar". Look at Miami, everyone has them penciled in to win 70 games and 5 titles in a row with 3 players and one solid player in Mike Miller. If we get Melo and Amare, we got 2 players there and still should have a real solid bench...I think we can compete with these two. If we can keep one of Randolph/Gallo, well then wow..

Amar'e/Melo are close enough to Bosh/Wade but how the hell do you get someone to match LeBron? That player doesn't exist. We would be second place forever. We have to take some chances here.

Which is why we need to keep Gallo.

Along with depth, I think Amare/Melo/Gallo can get it done.

[truth serum]

All I know is that Donnie will not lose both AR and Gallo by acquiring Melo. So 1) any deal for a first round draft pick will not include either player, and 2) the most likely deal with Denver would be either AR or Gallo along with said first rounder for Melo. That's what I'll assume for now but still wouldn't like the deal if Melo is hell bent on coming here no matter what.

And I'll say this again...my official stance is that I'd like to keep Gallo at all costs. I would trade AR for Melo before I traded Gallo for Melo 10 out of 10 times, regardless of who has a "higher ceiling". Gallo is the better pro right now and I'd be willing to bet good money that he'll be the better pro when all is said and done. AR has great talent, but if you have Melo, AR's skill set becomes far less useful. I'd rather Gallinari's shooting, bball IQ and all of his other intangibles to help round out a team that will be expected to contend! No point in acquiring Melo and having to simultaneously develop a project like AR in hopes that he'll be your 3rd star when Gallo is much more ready to step into that role right now.

Lastly, the suggested deal of Chandler AND TD for a first round pick is ludicrous. I think the most likely scenario is Chandler for the 1st rounder, straight up. Considering the SG position is pretty much a toss up for us, we still have plenty of other guys who can get time there and produce. Backup PG duty, on the other hand, is basically limited to Toney and only Toney. He's going to be a big part of what we do this year with his defense and scoring. A perfect compliment to Felton or any starting PG really. That's why Donnie drafted him and I can guarantee you that he's not going to just flip him for another pick a year later, especially in a package that includes Wilson as well. Not even a slim chance.

Still, I'm not very comfortable with any of these scenarios. Yes, Chandler is going to command a sizable contract this summer so he's likely to be moved at some point reagrdless. But when you look at the grand scheme of things, we're giving up Chandler and possibly Gallinari for a guy who is ready to sign here as a free agent in less than a year from now. We could potentially keep Gallo and AR, flip Chandler for another player or a draft pick of our own and sign Melo outright after enjoying these guys grow over the course of this season. That may sound greedy, but this is a business, right? Hell, the entire NBA has kicked us while we're down for the past 10 years. We've been "raped" in trades many times over and teams still call Donnie with low ball offers just because we're the Knicks. So now that Denver is weak and desperate on top of being petty and scandalous, why should we do anyone any favors? If the Nuggets want favors, then they should resume talks with the Nets.

My gut feeling is that Donnie is thinking about free agency but still exploring the possibilities of a trade just in case Melo changes his tune and actually forces our hand for real. If the Nuggets are softening their stance and willing to take less if we can include a first-rounder, Donnie is doing his due diligence to make sure one is available. But at this point, judging from Donnie's recent comments about the Nuggets and our supposed "lack of pieces", I'm thinking he's more inclined to tell the Nuggets to f*ck off and I'm right there with him.

[magnumt]

It's likely ONE of the following going in the Trade for the 1st IF Denver wants to deal w/ us:

Walker
Douglas
Chandler
Fields

Then either Gallo OR AR would go with Curry and the Pick for Melo

--Mags

[towelie]

I think even giving up Wilson Chandler is too much for the first round pick. In all sports I've always thought draft picks are wayyyyy over valued. If its AR for the first round pick then the Knicks are about to get ripped off for Carmelo... I'm on the always trust Donnie wagon but any Carmelo deal involved Gallo or Gallo plus AR makes me nervous

That makes no sense. Wil is a RFA, and we'd probably lose him this summer. Plus we have a glut of forwards. Turning Wilson into a 1st round pick is a good trade, even if we don't get Carmelo.

[gavran]

I think even giving up Wilson Chandler is too much for the first round pick. In all sports I've always thought draft picks are wayyyyy over valued. If its AR for the first round pick then the Knicks are about to get ripped off for Carmelo... I'm on the always trust Donnie wagon but any Carmelo deal involved Gallo or Gallo plus AR makes me nervous

That makes no sense. Wil is a RFA, and we'd probably lose him this summer. Plus we have a glut of forwards. Turning Wilson into a 1st round pick is a good trade, even if we don't get Carmelo.

A trade that makes us weaker next season is not a good deal.

[stuporman]

I believe it's probably for Chandler. Think about it... Fields has impressed enough to allow Walsh to deal Chandler while he's got value. Secondly he didn't practice the other day as a precaution on a mild hammy strain. Chandler is an attractive player cause he's a two way player who has great athleticism and a great attitude. Plus he's still on a rookie contract which with QO gives a team two years to really evaluate/develop him. TD isn't going anywhere. Possibly one of the GS2nds could be sent out with him depending on what team and if any protection on the 1st rounder.

On the idea of a Melo deal before the season starts I still hate the idea of trading away Gallo or AR before we really get to see these guys playing in a more ideal situation.

[Hoops4Life06]

If I am betting man (and I am) I would wager that it involves Detroit. NY sending Wilson, Douglas, Curry and the 2011 2nd rd picks or pick to Detroit. Detroit sending the 1st along with Rip & Wilcox to Denver and NY throws in a 2015 1st rd pick and NY gets Melo.

I think it's a deal involving a pick coming from Detroit

Detroit gets Curry (cap relief), Chandler and Douglas two good young players plus the second round picks for 2011. Denver gets a scorer in Rip and an expiring in Wilcox plus a 2011 1st and a 2015 1st while The Knicks get Melo and get to keep Gallo and AR

Happy Hour Starts @ 4...Bottles on me, long as someone drinks em!

[I_Love_NYK]

The Knicks are going to loose WIlson Chandler regardless, might as well deal him.

[MaseInYourFace]

I think even giving up Wilson Chandler is too much for the first round pick. In all sports I've always thought draft picks are wayyyyy over valued. If its AR for the first round pick then the Knicks are about to get ripped off for Carmelo... I'm on the always trust Donnie wagon but any Carmelo deal involved Gallo or Gallo plus AR makes me nervous

That makes no sense. Wil is a RFA, and we'd probably lose him this summer. Plus we have a glut of forwards. Turning Wilson into a 1st round pick is a good trade, even if we don't get Carmelo.

I tend to agree and I like Chandler. But don't realitically see him here in the future. Getting a 1st round pick for him is a pretty good trade...

[kane2021]

Wilson for a pick Gallo and Curry plus a NY pick. I think thats the final price Walsh is willing to pay right now to get it over with. The longer they wait the lower it gets.

[Pharmcat]

trading chandler for a pick is a good deal regardless, we're gonna lose him anyway next year if we want to sign a max player

the question still remains why nyk wants to do trade now instead of waiting for FA

im fairly convinced melo wants that 65 mill, there is nothing else that makes sense

[Jitpal]

by the way, the knicks must feel there's a chance melo won't be available in the summer if they're looking into getting a 1st round pick for a trade

Or they want to be a championship contender this year instead of waiting until next year. -Jitpal

[VirginiaKnickFan]

I believe this rumor has legs though. Knick rumors usually have legs. Unlike other teams the media doesn't usually make stuff up on our behalf...

Huh?

[GotItNow]

Amar'e/Melo are close enough to Bosh/Wade but how the hell do you get someone to match LeBron? That player doesn't exist. We would be second place forever. We have to take some chances here.

Which is why we need to keep Gallo.

Along with depth, I think Amare/Melo/Gallo can get it done.

One of Gallo/AR anyway. If for no other reason than to up their value and trade for a couple of first round picks. We can't keep either if we sign both Melo and Paul but at least this way we have some outs that Miami can't match because they have no firsts. We've got to have some way to get ahead of them.

[MaseInYourFace]

I believe this rumor has legs though. Knick rumors usually have legs. Unlike other teams the media doesn't usually make stuff up on our behalf...

Huh?

What don't you understand? Straightforward English. Rumors involving the Knicks usually have at least a grain of truth to them.

[K_ick_God]

Guys keep reminding yourself that Donnie said he is not blowing up the team. Offering Chandler and Douglas for a pick then giving up Gallo too is blowing up the team.

My guess is that it's a low pick being traded for Walker or Douglas and $3 million cash + one of our second rounders from GSW. Something like that, I don't expect the pick to be for any of Gallo, AR or Chandler and I bet that 2 out of those 3 guys will still be Knicks after the Melo trade, if it happens.

This.. I doubt Donnie will take a "2 step backward-1 step forward" approach.

We'd lack a back-up PG but I don't think it's blowing up the team to make that offer. Douglas is valuable. Chandler is good but we can fill in without him.

I would definitely make this trade rather than lose Melo.

We can find a backup point guard somehow.

[magnumt]

It's likely ONE of the following going in the Trade for the 1st IF Denver wants to deal w/ us:

Walker
Douglas
Chandler
Fields

Then either Gallo OR AR would go with Curry and the Pick for Melo

--Mags

Ahem.

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--Mags

[K_ick_God]

It's likely ONE of the following going in the Trade for the 1st IF Denver wants to deal w/ us:

Walker
Douglas
Chandler
Fields

Then either Gallo OR AR would go with Curry and the Pick for Melo

--Mags

Agreed.

[knicks742]

It's likely ONE of the following going in the Trade for the 1st IF Denver wants to deal w/ us:

Walker
Douglas
Chandler
Fields

Then either Gallo OR AR would go with Curry and the Pick for Melo

--Mags

Ahem.

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--Mags

Agreed. This is what I expect to happen when it's all said and done. Losing 2 rotation guys and replacing them with 1 is not blowing up the team.