1/16 Orlando Postgame thread

[Red Vines]

This board doesn't mind that Melo shot 9/27 because he made some FT's....

**** the Knicks seriously

Most were good shots, he forced at the end because nobody else could make anything.

Just stop.

That doesn't change the truth. He missed some wide open shots. Can't believe you're mad at Melo who played on a sprained ankle, it wouldn't have even been a game if he didn't play.

[Iman Shumpert]

Mike D'Antoni is the most stubborn f*ck I've ever seen.

Zero adjustments. ITS OKAY TO FIX SOMETHING THAT DOESN't WORK!

Please Management, you guys have made questionable moves but please just let Mike Woodson take over. We're going to go negative on the home game stretch if Mike D is still around. I guarantee it.

I don't think people understand exactly what Woodson's coaching style is. It's exactly the same as D'Antoni on the defensive end and his offensive system is just ISO ISO ISO ISO.

[NBA Fan 1234]

d'antoni doesn't only help his players get contracts, he also does the same for the opponent

[MaseInYourFace]

Gotta try to foul out Dwight. If you foul him out changes whole game because then you can focus on perimeter shooters...

[GONYK]

That's exactly my point. The Magic have shooters that actually make shots. We don't.

we had tons of open shots too. we just can't make.

I know. That makes everything so much worse. Our offense isn't as terrible as it looks on the surface. We just can't hit the open shots we get.

We might be able to overcome either having no PG or not making open perimeter shots.

We can't overcome both

[mpharris36]

you don't have to beat a zone by shooting 3's...amare hit 2 mid range jumpers...the elbow jumper is a spot open in the zone defense. Yet we didn't give him a look there.

We are not a 3 pt shooting team yet our coach wants us to be....simple its his fault

[Ursusamericanus]

That 4th quarter was absolutely disgusting to watch and a complete waste of time. While we didn't seem to catch any breaks, we also did not play intelligently.

Mike D'Antoni is absolute trash every night.

[moocow007]

so you don't think novak or josh should have been in the game at all?

especially towards the end. jorts has been doing great.

and how the hell do the knicks not play defense against the outside shooters. in rec league, if a guy isn't hitting 3's, you back off. if he starts hitting, you get in his face and not let him shoot any more 3's.

yeah, GONYK, the magic just shot the hell out of the ball. but it was also because no one was defending them. the magic shooters did what they're paid to do. against any other team with a coach that makes adjustments, the magic are going to get pecker smacked

That's exactly my point. The Magic have shooters that actually make shots. We don't.

So then why are we 3rd in the league in 3 point attempts??? Because despite D'Antoni telling them otherwise, the players override their coaches better judgment and chuck anyways?

[LVKnicks317]

Blame Fields for the loss..

We were up by 4 with momentum in the 4th. He gets a offensive foul on a 3 on 2 and then bricks a jumpshot next time down the floor. Both led to ORL buckets. Magic got hot after that.

We seriously need to sit his ass on the bench and get him out of here ASAP.

[GONYK]

Mike D'Antoni is the most stubborn f*ck I've ever seen.

Zero adjustments. ITS OKAY TO FIX SOMETHING THAT DOESN't WORK!

Please Management, you guys have made questionable moves but please just let Mike Woodson take over. We're going to go negative on the home game stretch if Mike D is still around. I guarantee it.

I don't think people understand exactly what Woodson's coaching style is. It's exactly the same as D'Antoni on the defensive end and his offensive system is just ISO ISO ISO ISO.

Bingo

[NoMoreThrees]

biggest thing.

magic went zone. knicks offense died. no adjustment. no clue from any player how to handle it. nothing. just pass around the arc and brick a three. thats all we did last five minutes. clueless.

[MaseInYourFace]

For a Dantoni team we are way too streaky on open perimeter shots. That killed us tonight. These shots have to be automatic if we are gonna be successful with this coach. Fields, Shump, Douglass all have to do much better on these kind of shots...

[br7knicks]

He absolutely got out talented. They have a better collection of role players who showed up today in a big way.

he absolutely did not get out talented. all of those role players could have been contained. especially with the players the knicks could've used to contain them. all those role players do is one thing and one thing only. all they had to do was stop that. TC did a great job on Howard and did not have to be double teamed.

he was clearly out coached and not out talented at all

Contained by who? Aside from Shump, and sometimes Douglas, we have no perimeter defenders.

I agree that our defensive rotations were bad, and we shouldn't have paid so much attention to Dwight, but they have players who can take advantage of that attention.

We don't have players who can take advantage of the attention Melo garners.

on offense you're right about not having players that can take advantage that melo garners.

but i mean defense. JJ and anderson are not hard to play defense against. are you telling me, someone like balkman or JJ or even JJord can't play anderson on defense? TD was ACC defender of the year, he should've been able to contain JJ like it was nothing. i think walker is an idiot, but don't you think he, TD or shump shouldn't guard redick?

and you're right, the magic do have players that take advantage of what howard embarks upon. and that's what makes them good role players. but they're not that hard to defend when they're that one-dimensional.

i don't want to take away from anderson or jj. i think anderson is a 3rd tier player, one that'll avg. 15 and 8 + for a few seasons. but they can't be that hard to defend man

[ITGM]

This game was excrementitious

[NBA Fan 1234]

Blame Fields for the loss..

We were up by 4 with momentum in the 4th. He gets a offensive foul on a 3 on 2 and then bricks a jumpshot next time down the floor. Both led to ORL buckets. Magic got hot after that.

We seriously need to sit his ass on the bench and get him out of here ASAP.

Uhh...yeah, let's not. The blame 100% goes to our inability to hit open jumpers and inability to chase opposing shooters off the line.

[ctorres]

OK.. I never blame the coach.. but today that changes..

First , we play a good defensive game.. not sure how the heck we let the bozo trio of anderson, stankylu and reddick, look like the celtics big 3, but just inexecusable..


the offense is still all melo, bail us out iso's, but at times we did have some good ball movement...


My big beef is with 6 minutes left, the magic go to a zone, and what does dantoni do? he goes with douglas? really, why not bring in harrelson along with novak.. why did we get him dantoni??? why!!!!!!!!!!! sit chandler, dwight was doing nothing, plus he can't hit FT's.. let amare guard dwight and let melo create and hit novak and jorts for shots.. shoot them out of the zone..

Honestly, if dantoni is going to mail it in.. just quit dude, QUIT!!! I watched vangundy go from Q richardson to earl clark trying to find matchups that work.. what do we do? we bench the best shooters while being stifled by zone...

yea, the players share some of the blame, amare still doesn't look comfortable, we missed open shots, but honestly, the coach didn't give us a chance to win....

To me, just trash the season if dantoni is going to mail it in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TKF, I'm sorry but today, your postgame analysis is off.

Your analysis on Redick, Turkoglu, and Anderson is completely off. You act as if these guys are 28% shooters. They've been killing other teams ALL SEASON. It feels like you haven't watched any Magic games this season but then happened to catch them play the Knicks and you're in shock that they're actually good.

Dwight was doing nothing because Chandler played an AMAZING defensive game on him. Had you let Amar'e guard Dwight, it would have been a 30-20 game for Dwight.

You wanted them to bring in NOVAK the last 5 minutes of the game and you're bitching about guys like Redick, Anderson, and Turkoglu being bozos. You don't see the hipocrisy in that?

D'Antoni could not take Stat or Chandler out during the last 6 minutes. You can't just put Harrelson or Novak at the 3 and move Melo to the 2 and force him to guard Redick. Orlando would have just upped the score even more on the Knicks with a desperate change of lineup. Had D'Antoni threw in Novak or Harrelson to appease some of you, you guys would have trashed him just as bad for "coaching by feel" and for making desperation adjustments. Our best lineup to end the game was Shumpert, Douglas, Melo, Stat, Chandler.

[Iman Shumpert]

you don't have to beat a zone by shooting 3's...amare hit 2 mid range jumpers...the elbow jumper is a spot open in the zone defense. Yet we didn't give him a look there.

We are not a 3 pt shooting team yet our coach wants us to be....simple its his fault

You beat the zone by getting to the middle of the floor and collapsing the zone. What did we do? Play hot potato. Ball swings to Shumpert, to Melo, to Douglas, back to Melo, to Shumpert....rinse, repeat. Nobody wanted to drive.

[captvict]

If Baron Davis is done as a player...so is this Knick team

[Ursusamericanus]

If there is no "rhyme or reason" to our **** offense then you try to tinker with it a little bit and put in shooters like Novak when the Magic dare you to jack up garbage by playing zone. Melo can't do it all himself, and he clearly was in some pain at the end there. This team is simply not consistent enough from deep to effectively adapt to D'Antoni's hard on for jacking up threes.

The Magic's 17/35 shooting tonight was unbelievable. Ridiculous fluke. They have good shooters and I won't take that away from them but some of the stuff they tossed up tonight was absurd. Can't believe those shots fell. Only against the Knicks. We had this game and should have won it. Just a total collapse in the clutch.

I really think Mike has given up - and you know what - I've given up on him. Time for a change once and for all.

[ITGM]

DISAPPOINTED