MeloDrama Part VI

ag3 · Post #61 » by **ag3** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:43 pm

It's gonna be tough to dump Amare to Orlando or Philly.
Other teams are also looking to dump expiring deals and those other teams have better packages (picks).

I would only dump Amare/Shump/THJR plus a couple 2nd round picks, if Carmelo re-signs. If not, just let them expire.

Red Vines · Post #62 » by **Red Vines** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:45 pm

god shammgod wrote:it would probably be timmy over shump. shump needs to get paid soon.

Nope. We're not giving up a talented SG with a bright future for two years of Pau at best.

god shammgod · Post #63 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:45 pm

suicidedeuce wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
the only way to get gasol is to free up money

If they can trade Amar'e, don't you think they can trade Bargs too?

Why not wait until we see if they can ACTUALLY trade Stat first.

I'm highly dubious.

depending on what you want to give up, it's possible. it might be more costly then people think though.

VirginiaKnickFan · Post #64 » by **VirginiaKnickFan** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:45 pm

SAS said however:

"Smith did not make it sound like the talks were serious"

ag3 · Post #65 » by **ag3** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:45 pm

Red Vines wrote:
god shammgod wrote:it would probably be timmy over shump. shump needs to get paid soon.

Nope. We're not giving up a talented SG with a bright future for two years of Pau at best.

They will if Melo wants them to.

jp007 · Post #66 » by **jp007** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:46 pm

anyone just hear collins on the herd lol .. rewind a few mn back 11:45:50

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play

Post #67 » by **GONYK** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:46 pm

mpharris36 wrote:Riley probably doing everything in his power to get Bosh out of town.

If Bosh leaves he maybe can bring in Melo and make LeBron happy.

If Bosh stays. Melo to NY and LeBron to CLE and Miami is terrible for the next 5 years.

Riley doesn't have to do anything besides not offer Bosh a contract.

Not that hard.

Post #68 » by **Capn'O** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:46 pm

epics2002 wrote:
frogfood wrote:
Jsmoove wrote:stephen a says knicks & sixers have talked about a stat/shumpert trade
http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014 ... ixers.html

My God. If only...

If this went through are we under the cap, and if so by how much?

No. But we would be under the apron (full MLE to offer).

Post #69 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:47 pm

god shammgod wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:it would probably be timmy over shump. shump needs to get paid soon.

I wouldn't mind that either. Send Timmy with Amare. Sign Gasol.

I actually still think Shumpert can be a better impact player of Timmy. Call me crazy but I still have hope for shumpert. Timmy defense is borderline the worst I have ever seen from a guard.

timmy doesn't pass, can't play d and is a 3 point shooter who doesn't shoot the greatest percentage. i don't have much hope for him.

timmy can score at a high clip that's for sure.

He can get the FT line, finish around the basket, shoot coming off screens, and knock down open 3's.

However he can't dribble, can't pass, and can't defend. I understand he is a rookie but that stuff is difficult to change. Shooting is actually the easiest thing to improve on once getting to the NBA and he already can do that pretty well.

If Timmy has more value, you move him.

Red Vines · Post #70 » by **Red Vines** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:47 pm

ag3 wrote:
Red Vines wrote:
god shammgod wrote:it would probably be timmy over shump. shump needs to get paid soon.

Nope. We're not giving up a talented SG with a bright future for two years of Pau at best.

They will if Melo wants them to.

No, Phil is in charge and he's not an idiot.

Post #71 » by **K_ick_God** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:47 pm

jp007 wrote:anyone just hear collins on the herd lol .. rewind a few mn back 11:45:50

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play

Summarize for us.

nyknicks8016 · Post #72 » by **nyknicks8016** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:47 pm

jp007 wrote:anyone just hear collins on the herd lol .. rewind a few mn back 11:45:50

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play

Can you jsut tell us for those at work...

Post #73 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:47 pm

Capn'O wrote:
epics2002 wrote:
frogfood wrote:
My God. If only...

If this went through are we under the cap, and if so by how much?

No. But we would be under the apron (full MLE to offer).

And able to bring back free agents in S&T (gasol)

Post #74 » by **Capn'O** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:47 pm

So... this is still going on?

Aye aye aye...

SelbyCobra · Post #75 » by **SelbyCobra** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:47 pm

jp007 wrote:anyone just hear collins on the herd lol .. rewind a few mn back 11:45:50

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play

Jesus christ with this clickbait posting style.

suicidedeuce · Post #76 » by **suicidedeuce** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:48 pm

god shammgod wrote:
suicidedeuce wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
If they can trade Amar'e, don't you think they can trade Bargs too?

Why not wait until we see if they can ACTUALLY trade Stat first.

I'm highly dubious.

depending on what you want to give up, it's possible. it might be more costly then people think though.

Costly as in?

I can't imagine what any dealbreaker would be?

2018 first? Done

Early? Done.

gothamknicks · Post #77 » by **gothamknicks** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:48 pm

jp007 wrote:anyone just hear collins on the herd lol .. rewind a few mn back 11:45:50

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play

how about telling us?

aq_ua · Post #78 » by **aq_ua** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:48 pm

KnicksManiac wrote:
suicidedeuce wrote:
EricAnderson wrote:I'd rather rebuild bottom out get a high pick next year and move forward with a tremendous amount of cap space and flexibility going forward

I'm sure you're aware the KNicks don't have a first round pick in 2016.

Just for fun, here's the last 5 years worth of picks #2-5. How many of these players are you feeling great about being a franchise type players (again, keeping in mind the Knicks didn't pick on this year and won't be able to pick one in 2016.

Completely on point. People here seem to think that "rebuilding" and "creating cap space" and "tanking" are sure-fire ways to succeed in this league. Unfortunately, it seldom works out that way.

I'd rather go to bat in Free Agency 2015 WITH a legitimate #1 option in Carmelo Anthony as part of the pitch.

There is no high probability success rate strategy in the NBA. If there were one, everyone would be doing it and thus automatically make it less successful. There are only a few meaningful free agents in the NBA just as there are only a few impactful rookies in each draft. Nothing has proven otherwise, and it's silly to think that anyone has the right formula. The only question is how do you ensure that you can surround the superstar talent with a meaningful roster of role players when you're able to secure one, hopefully two. The inability to field a substantially talented group of role players was a large part of our downfall during the Ewing era and will likely be the same for the Melo era without meaningful cap space flexibility and rookie contracts. The path from signing Melo to a max and fielding a substantial enough roster of talent around him given our limited assets and Melo's age is murky at best and pretty much entirely depends on having major cap space next summer and an aforementioned rare meaningful free agent that wants to accept that cap space, while retaining adequate talent to surround the stars. There is no room for error under that plan, hence the possibility of being stuck under a massive deadweight unmovable Melo contracts in a few years is extremely unappealing.

Post #79 » by **GONYK** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:48 pm

jp007 wrote:anyone just hear collins on the herd lol .. rewind a few mn back 11:45:50

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play

Can you just tell us what they said?

bishnykfan · Post #80 » by **bishnykfan** » Mon Jul 7, 2014 3:49 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:it would probably be timmy over shump. shump needs to get paid soon.

I wouldn't mind that either. Send Timmy with Amare. Sign Gasol.

I actually still think Shumpert can be a better impact player of Timmy. Call me crazy but I still have hope for shumpert. Timmy defense is borderline the worst I have ever seen from a guard.

I agree. Even though Shump needs to get paid next year, I think that he is still the better overall player and one that fits better with Melo and whoever they get with added room.

I do hope that they have that impact player committed though before they move Shump or THJ though. I don't want to just give them away just to move Amare or even Bargs for that matter.