How the Knicks are Running the Triangle Offense

[BugginOut]

So from this video this should be our lineup based SOLEY on the effectiveness of running the offense

Jose/Larkin/Prig
THJR/JR/Shump
JR/Melo/Early
Melo/Amare
Barg/ J Smith/Cole

From this video it is shown that the guards should be able to shoot AND attack the basket. This makes me believe that Prig will eventually have to take a step back to Larkin due to his inability to attack the basket. And even with his 3PT shot he would need a quick release, which is something Pablo does not have. This is why I believe THJR will start due to his ability to shoot after curling off screens and his ability to finish strong. And while I hope that Early will eventually be able to grow into the role of the 2nd forward I believe JR would be the best to start at SF since he is the only other player on the roster that can shoot/finish off of cuts

I believe Melo and Amare can both play the weak side forward the best on the team. Melo would dominate from the high post and Amare would have ton of room to operate on the 2 man P&R game in the 2nd option of the triangle. I don't know if Amare would be willing to come off the bench, but if he does he will flourish.

Also while some may not agree, Barg is definitely our best bet for center. If we run the 1st option and no passing or shooting opportunities open up for us we will need our center to be able to iso from the mid post. Gasol would be perfect for this, but since that is not an option Barg is our best bet. I think Phil values C's who can hit that midrange jumper and is one of the reasons he signed J. Smith over other C's like Ed davis, who bring things like rebounding and defense. Barg can create the best at C than any other option on this team. This means I don't see as much playing time for Dalembert and Cole, which is definitely against the popular opinion of this board.

Now comes Shump. His defense would be greatly need, but since he can't shoot or finish I can't possibly see him getting a ton of playing time and definitely not start.

So IMO

Players who will greatly benefit from this system:
Melo, Amare, THJR, Barg, J Smith

Players who will somewhat benefit
Early, Jose, Larkin

Players who won't benefit
Cole, Prig, Shump, Dalembert

[Meat]

Stat will feast on the 2nd option. His jumper is lethal from the free throw line extended. Can't wait.

stat doesnt move the ball though, he's a black hole.

[Daniel616]

[waya]

Man, f*ck STAT. Anything he gives us on offense will just be negated by his stupidity on the other end.

[Greenie]

Great for Melo, Bargs, Shumpert, JR, Calderon, Larkin, Prigioni, Aldrich

Good for Dalembert, Ellington, Thanasis, THJr, Tyler, Early

Worrisome for Stat

Nah. I think Timmy will be great in the triangle. It should shape his shot selection.

[blumatic]

Stat will feast on the 2nd option. His jumper is lethal from the free throw line extended. Can't wait.

stat doesnt move the ball though, he's a black hole.

[Greenie]

Watching this brings me back to the 2012 1st round match between the Knicks and Heat. Lebron fronted Melo the whole time. And dumbass Baron Davis or whoever was running point would just try to heave it over Lebron.

I kept screaming to Woody to have Melo seal Lebron, Have STAT come up to the free throw line and have Melo cut to the basket simultaneously so STAT can pass it to Melo for an easy basket.

And they never did that for 5 straight games. It made me mad that the said Lebron can shut down Melo. I was like....NO the Knicks shut Melo down. I'm so glad that this offense is being implemented. I know our defense wasnt the greatest pass couple of years but I thought are offense was the biggest culprit. It was way too predictable and easy to defend and simple minded.

He ain't hear you tho...

[JBreezeNY]

Stat will feast on the 2nd option. His jumper is lethal from the free throw line extended. Can't wait.

This ain't 2011 fam

His jumper hasn't had the same lift in years. I think he'll be a decent fit in this system he has to learn how to pass the ball & move without the ball.

[NYKinMIA]

How does this man only have 174 And1's? Great video.

[Greenie]

Jose/Larkin/Prig
THJR/JR/Shump
JR/Melo/Early
Melo/Amare
Barg/ J Smith/Cole

No. I want to win games this year.

[BallSacBounce]

Watching this brings me back to the 2012 1st round match between the Knicks and Heat. Lebron fronted Melo the whole time. And dumbass Baron Davis or whoever was running point would just try to heave it over Lebron.

I kept screaming to Woody to have Melo seal Lebron, Have STAT come up to the free throw line and have Melo cut to the basket simultaneously so STAT can pass it to Melo for an easy basket.

And they never did that for 5 straight games. It made me mad that the said Lebron can shut down Melo. I was like....NO the Knicks shut Melo down. I'm so glad that this offense is being implemented. I know our defense wasnt the greatest pass couple of years but I thought are offense was the biggest culprit. It was way too predictable and easy to defend and simple minded.

He ain't hear you tho...

Yeah he should have yelled louder, damn blumatic you cost us the series.

[Hijinks]

this might be the most positive a thread has ever been on this board. and deservedly so. great work OP. hope we will see more of this (offense and your videos) this upcoming season!!!

[drk3351]

Thank you all for the great responses, glad you enjoyed and learned from the video. In terms of fit, I think Melo will fit perfectly. Also I think Larkin, Calderon, STAT, and JR will benefit the most from it.

Larkin and Calderon won't have to be ball dominant PG's like you see nowadays. They can both space the floor well and shoot. I can see them cutting in pinch post and running the occasional P&R's in the 2nd and 4th option.

STAT I think will benefit greatly in the 1st option and running the high post in general. Might be a good idea to try to feature him a bit when Melo is resting.

JR I think will thrive playing in a system. He can be deadly coming of the down screen in the 2nd option. He can also isolate once in a while at the high post. 4th option he can do too, Run the P&R, I didn't get into the P&R reads but its very basic.

Bargs i'm not too sure of because he never has been a great post up player and there are already guys like Melo who will play the high post. He can run some pick and pop which is VERY valuable. But the fact that he is also a poor defender concerns me.

And that's really the main issue with the Knicks, its defense. Calderon - JR - MELO - STAT - Bargs - wont stop anyone. They WILL be at least adequate though if Fisher really impresses me with a Thibs type defensive system. If that happens they could really surprise some people. Also Hardaway jr fits nicely. Could also see Shump having a better season playing in a system and working the pinch post.

Also yeah, I'm not a Knicks fan, a Suns fan.

[Starksfor3]

Thank you all for the great responses, glad you enjoyed and learned from the video. In terms of fit, I think Melo will fit perfectly. Also I think Larkin, Calderon, STAT, and JR will benefit the most from it.

Larkin and Calderon won't have to be ball dominant PG's like you see nowadays. They can both space the floor well and shoot. I can see them cutting in pinch post and running the occasional P&R's in the 2nd and 4th option.

STAT I think will benefit greatly in the 1st option and running the high post in general. Might be a good idea to try to feature him a bit when Melo is resting.

JR I think will thrive playing in a system. He can be deadly coming of the down screen in the 2nd option. He can also isolate once in a while at the high post. 4th option he can do too, Run the P&R, I didn't get into the P&R reads but its very basic.

Bargs i'm not too sure of because he never has been a great post up player and there are already guys like Melo who will play the high post. He can run some pick and pop which is VERY valuable. But the fact that he is also a poor defender concerns me.

And that's really the main issue with the Knicks, its defense. Calderon - JR - MELO - STAT - Bargs - wont stop anyone. They WILL be at least adequate though if Fisher really impresses me with a Thibs type defensive system. If that happens they could really surprise some people. Also Hardaway jr fits nicely. Could also see Shump having a better season playing in a system and working the pinch post.

Also yeah, I'm not a Knicks fan, a Suns fan.

[Wildcat]

J.R. is going to be lost.

[stuporman]

I don't know why people think this system won't help Shump, it stresses all his best skiills and doesn't use his weaknesses.

In fact, I bet Phish will come to think that Shump can be a PG in this system since it doesn't need him to break down defenses, create shots or handle the ball as much as a typical PG does in other systems.

Cutting without the ball, passing,attacking the basket when he has space or the edge and spot shooting are all things he does that are what is expected from both guards in the triangle.

[Obi-One]

There is absolutely no chance Bargs and Amar'e start together. We kept Dally and Cole for a reason

[melo mvp 15]

Great job. I think something some people overlook is that you don't need the post up option to be the big. This is crucial because while Tyler can go to work on these SL guys, he can't really do so in the NBA on a consistent basis (or else he'd be a $10 mil a year type player, not on an unguaranteed deal)- but we have two bigs who MIGHT be able to make the reads and have the ability to take their guy if there are no other options... Amar'e and Bargnani.

But back to my initial point, the triangle is flexible in the sense that the guy with ball in the post could be a G/F... which is where Melo will thrive. I also hope JR is featured more as an off the ball option as opposed to the decision maker in the post. The key is guys like Shump, Calderon, and Tim could be excellent off the ball options. Same with Amar'e- I think he can really translate his prowess at the pick and roll to learning when to cut off the ball.

[TheSystem]

Our actual starters need to not be idiots and buy in here. Carmelo will buy in, there's a reason he re-signed outside of money of course. More concerned with Amare, JR, and Tim. If you noticed, at one point, Tim broke from the set play and decided to chuck it up. Here and there, I'm sure that's fine but if guys like JR plan on doing that once every three plays, he's gotta be traded.

[PrecociousNeoph]

he had me at fewer pick and rolls