OT: The WWE Thread - Part 2

[Fury]

They just basically shat on their star making moment. Great match, stupid finish.

[poeman]

Great match until the end..>That could have waited for tomorrow.

Terrible decision to ruin a great show those two put up

[Kobe System]

How about those RKOs out of nowhere? Cena/Orton match > Rollins/Ambrose. Ending blew it.

So we are looking at Cena/Brock, Orton/Rollins and Bray/Ambrose feud in the next 4 weeks.

[Moose]

Haven't watched too much wrestling, but I have nephews. So I am somewhat up-to-date...

This is one of the many reasons why the WCW started to suck so bad. Every big match ended with an interference or with some weird ending because they didn't have the balls to have a star lose clean. They always played it scared.

People know the deal. You don't necessarily bury someone by having them lose. A great back and forth match is what matters to fans. If Ambrose lost clean, as long as he got some sort of revenge in the future, he would have been fine. And vice versa.

I read here that cesaro lost again? I saw him in a couple of matches and although his identity is lacking, his skills are pretty good. Especially for a bigger looking dude. That's a shame. He should at least be an IC champ and if propped up correctly, could give a good match vs lesner.

Truth is, the WWF has sucked for well over a decade. Maybe more. When I told my 8 yr old nephew that it was scripted (explaining although they try not to hurt each other, that stuff is very dangerous and does hurt), he responded by saying, ''if it is fake, why would anyone watch it then?''

It is a great point in the sense that the WWF has always been on the edge of being a joy or simply unwatchable (thin line between clever and stupid?). Right now, from what I am reading here and have seen, it seems unwatchable.

Rollins is probably the best wrestler they currently have and makes Ambrose look good. He sells that clothesline really well, making Ambrose look like a boss. Shawn Michaels lost to Bret Hart clean to the sharpshooter as a heel for the world title and his career turned out just fine. The WWF should remember things like that.

[IMAN5]

literally the worst ending I've ever seen in a long time.

Agreed. And I hate how the announcing crew always goes totally silent when the lights turn off.

at first I thought my stream had crashed.

at least make bray debut with his new crew Ascension. the guys speaking did sound like them, so maybe we see them on raw.

[IMAN5]

So Cesaro and Ziggler had a best 2 out of 3 match for the title. If I'm not mistaken, did Ziggler win 2 in a row? If that ist he case what was even the point of a best 2 out of 3? to bury Cesaro even more?

[DowNY]

Bray is gonna beast.

Ending of the match was eh but it wasn't like the match had any ramifications to it (ie. briefcase on the line). Some spots were forced (where they both fell off the side of the cage on tables - but Dean obviously just jumped). Then Dean pulled the obvious Mick Foley move. Lol. The match has some cool spots though but a win/loss didn't really matter to a point where I was mad Bray ruined anything.

Seth Hardy & Dean Pillman will fight again later, in a bigger situation like for the title. No biggie.

The Ziggler/Cesaro was the real disappointment. Why just give Zig the clean sweep? Lol. Plus why didn't ever round have a different stipulation in a PPV like this? Match 1 = table match, match 2 = No Holds Barred, match 3 = Hell in a cell. Something like that. Makes no sense.

[ctorres]

Maybe it's just that I've gotten very accustomed to WWE's style of booking, but I thoroughly enjoyed Hell In A Cell. I'll post my full analysis later.

[Trav_NYK]

I liked Bray coming out at the end to start the fued with Ambrose but it does suck that the ambrose vs rollins fued didnt officially end. Im sure later on Ambrose will want to finally get his win over Rollins.

Im looking forward to the Rollins v Orton and Ambrose v Bray storylines. Cena v Lesnar is so played out already, they need to give Cena time off so that the fans will start to miss him. Every move he pulled on Orton had no reaction to it; its like the people who even hate Cena don't even bother booing anymore lol

Im glad that ziggler won only because I don't like when they just ping pong the title to different people after every ppv; but Ceasaro definitely deserves some sort of push. Why even make the match 2 of 3 falls if Ziggler is gona win both falls smh. The moves Ceasaro does are freaking epic!! They need a true storyline for him.

oh and Rusev did some what impress me last night but his opponents are so boring; they need to make him go after the US title already.

[Butch718]

The main even deserved to have a clean finish. And it wouldn't have hurt either guy's credibility if one of them had lost. The only thing that hurts the credibility of wrestlers is the way they're booked and written. Not by wins and loses.

[Butch718]

they really need to play up those RKO out of nowhere vines.

[ctorres]

Ok, my thoughts on Ziggler/Cesaro and Ambrose/Rollins (the main two matches I cared about):

Loved every moment of the Ziggler vs Cesaro match. Two things I liked about Ziggler getting the clean sweep. For one, it makes him look VERY strong as the Intercontinental Champion. Second, it would have been fairly predictable to have Ziggler and Cesaro trade falls. Ziggler getting the 2-0 victory added an enjoyable surprise element to the match. Also, Ziggler and Cesaro had the opening match of the PPV. They would have had to rush all 3 falls and the match was fast paced as it is with just 2 falls.

Considering the match was 12 minutes and 15 seconds long, Ziggler and Cesaro crafted it as good as anyone possibly could. Their attention to detail was outstanding and arguably, they had the toughest assignment out of any of the other matches when you take into account the stipulation and the fact that they had the opening match.

Rollins vs Ambrose was the best story driven match I've seen since both of Daniel Bryan's matches at Wrestlemania 30. I had no issue with the finish at all. LOVED the hologram, the speaking in tongues, crowd's reaction with the phone lights. An Ambrose/Wyatt feud is a fan's dream.

Also, neither Rollins nor Ambrose looks weak after the match. Rollins is still the chickens**t heel that managed to steal the win and gets more heat. Ambrose succeeds in not only getting sympathy as a babyface, but this puts heat on Wyatt as a heel and dissuades the crowd from cheering for him to turn.

As Triple H had explained in a recent interview with Michael Cole, Hell In A Cell isn't about winning, it's about surviving. While sure, sometimes you MUST have a clear winner, I think in the case of Rollins and Ambrose it was more about the substance within the match than who won or lost at the end of it. Ambrose's character, much like Bray's, isn't scared of losing. Ambrose wanted to Rollins inside a cell so he could beat up on him and Ambrose was able to do so.

I was not ready for the Ambrose and Rollins story to be completely over. I feel the match succeeding in not only beginning a new feud between Ambrose and Wyatt, but it further extends the feud between Ambrose and Rollins allowing it to be revisited for a later date. This is similar to how Bryan briefly feuded with Bray Wyatt before getting to set his sights again on the WWE World Heavyweight Championship.

The rest of the matches were good but I would need to watch them again to give thoughtful analysis on them. I will say however that I wish Orton would have beaten Cena, so we could see Orton vs Lesnar with Orton as a babyface. As much as people say they prefer Orton to be a heel, I actually prefer him as a face.

Orton plays the heel role very well, but he's such a badass that I'd much rather cheer for him. Unlike Cena, Orton is a natural in the ring. I look at a guy like Orton and I don't see a guy that should have to depend on "The Authority" for protection. A guy like Rollins is more believable as the frail, insecure top heel, especially considering that Ambrose and Reigns are the true standouts of The Shield.

[poeman]

[kingquan316]

Ok, my thoughts on Ziggler/Cesaro and Ambrose/Rollins (the main two matches I cared about):

Loved every moment of the Ziggler vs Cesaro match. Two things I liked about Ziggler getting the clean sweep. For one, it makes him look VERY strong as the Intercontinental Champion. Second, it would have been fairly predictable to have Ziggler and Cesaro trade falls. Ziggler getting the 2-0 victory added an enjoyable surprise element to the match. Also, Ziggler and Cesaro had the opening match of the PPV. They would have had to rush all 3 falls and the match was fast paced as it is with just 2 falls.

Considering the match was 12 minutes and 15 seconds long, Ziggler and Cesaro crafted it as good as anyone possibly could. Their attention to detail was outstanding and arguably, they had the toughest assignment out of any of the other matches when you take into account the stipulation and the fact that they had the opening match.

Rollins vs Ambrose was the best story driven match I've seen since both of Daniel Bryan's matches at Wrestlemania 30. I had no issue with the finish at all. LOVED the hologram, the speaking in tongues, crowd's reaction with the phone lights. An Ambrose/Wyatt feud is a fan's dream.

Also, neither Rollins nor Ambrose looks weak after the match. Rollins is still the chickens**t heel that managed to steal the win and gets more heat. Ambrose succeeds in not only getting sympathy as a babyface, but this puts heat on Wyatt as a heel and dissuades the crowd from cheering for him to turn.

As Triple H had explained in a recent interview with Michael Cole, Hell In A Cell isn't about winning, it's about surviving. While sure, sometimes you MUST have a clear winner, I think in the case of Rollins and Ambrose it was more about the substance within the match than who won or lost at the end of it. Ambrose's character, much like Bray's, isn't scared of losing. Ambrose wanted to Rollins inside a cell so he could beat up on him and Ambrose was able to do so.

I was not ready for the Ambrose and Rollins story to be completely over. I feel the match succeeding in not only beginning a new feud between Ambrose and Wyatt, but it further extends the feud between Ambrose and Rollins allowing it to be revisited for a later date. This is similar to how Bryan briefly feuded with Bray Wyatt before getting to set his sights again on the WWE World Heavyweight Championship.

The rest of the matches were good but I would need to watch them again to give thoughtful analysis on them. I will say however that I wish Orton would have beaten Cena, so we could see Orton vs Lesnar with Orton as a babyface. As much as people say they prefer Orton to be a heel, I actually prefer him as a face.

Orton plays the heel role very well, but he's such a badass that I'd much rather cheer for him. Unlike Cena, Orton is a natural in the ring. I look at a guy like Orton and I don't see a guy that should have to depend on "The Authority" for protection. A guy like Rollins is more believable as the frail, insecure top heel, especially considering that Ambrose and Reigns are the true standouts of The Shield.

People b1tching about Dean not getting his win, and now he won't be a star, needs to have a history lesson. Austin never beat Bret Hart, and that was the hottest feud for a whole year. Austin eventually became their biggest star, and didn't even win his star making feud. LIke you said, I think Ambrose and Rollins will be revisited in the future, and this feud isn't totally settled, but again you don't need a babyface to win a feud and become a huge star (however, unless it culminates in Mania, where I believe that a babyface should usually win at a match there, especially if it's the main event for the tile, although Austin and Bret was at mania, but that wasn't the culmination of the feud as it was suppose to be the mania after that ends it before Bret left). If Dean Ambrose is really that good, he will become a star, regardless of wins and losses. Now I believe he will beat Rollins eventually, but again if he doesn't that still don't mean he won't become a main eventer.

[frogfood]

Cmon, the Bray interference was sooo cheap though.

[Fury]

Ok, my thoughts on Ziggler/Cesaro and Ambrose/Rollins (the main two matches I cared about):

Loved every moment of the Ziggler vs Cesaro match. Two things I liked about Ziggler getting the clean sweep. For one, it makes him look VERY strong as the Intercontinental Champion. Second, it would have been fairly predictable to have Ziggler and Cesaro trade falls. Ziggler getting the 2-0 victory added an enjoyable surprise element to the match. Also, Ziggler and Cesaro had the opening match of the PPV. They would have had to rush all 3 falls and the match was fast paced as it is with just 2 falls.

Considering the match was 12 minutes and 15 seconds long, Ziggler and Cesaro crafted it as good as anyone possibly could. Their attention to detail was outstanding and arguably, they had the toughest assignment out of any of the other matches when you take into account the stipulation and the fact that they had the opening match.

Rollins vs Ambrose was the best story driven match I've seen since both of Daniel Bryan's matches at Wrestlemania 30. I had no issue with the finish at all. LOVED the hologram, the speaking in tongues, crowd's reaction with the phone lights. An Ambrose/Wyatt feud is a fan's dream.

Also, neither Rollins nor Ambrose looks weak after the match. Rollins is still the chickens**t heel that managed to steal the win and gets more heat. Ambrose succeeds in not only getting sympathy as a babyface, but this puts heat on Wyatt as a heel and dissuades the crowd from cheering for him to turn.

As Triple H had explained in a recent interview with Michael Cole, Hell In A Cell isn't about winning, it's about surviving. While sure, sometimes you MUST have a clear winner, I think in the case of Rollins and Ambrose it was more about the substance within the match than who won or lost at the end of it. Ambrose's character, much like Bray's, isn't scared of losing. Ambrose wanted to Rollins inside a cell so he could beat up on him and Ambrose was able to do so.

I was not ready for the Ambrose and Rollins story to be completely over. I feel the match succeeding in not only beginning a new feud between Ambrose and Wyatt, but it further extends the feud between Ambrose and Rollins allowing it to be revisited for a later date. This is similar to how Bryan briefly feuded with Bray Wyatt before getting to set his sights again on the WWE World Heavyweight Championship.

The rest of the matches were good but I would need to watch them again to give thoughtful analysis on them. I will say however that I wish Orton would have beaten Cena, so we could see Orton vs Lesnar with Orton as a babyface. As much as people say they prefer Orton to be a heel, I actually prefer him as a face.

Orton plays the heel role very well, but he's such a badass that I'd much rather cheer for him. Unlike Cena, Orton is a natural in the ring. I look at a guy like Orton and I don't see a guy that should have to depend on "The Authority" for protection. A guy like Rollins is more believable as the frail, insecure top heel, especially considering that Ambrose and Reigns are the true standouts of The Shield.

People b1tching about Dean not getting his win, and now he won't be a star, needs to have a history lesson. Austin never beat Bret Hart, and that was the hottest feud for a whole year. Austin eventually became their biggest star, and didn't even win his star making feud. LIke you said, I think Ambrose and Rollins will be revisited in the future, and this feud isn't totally settled, but again you don't need a babyface to win a feud and become a huge star (however, unless it culminates in Mania, where I believe that a babyface should usually win at a match there, especially if it's the main event for the tile, although Austin and Bret was at mania, but that wasn't the culmination of the feud as it was suppose to be the mania after that ends it before Bret left). If Dean Ambrose is really that good, he will become a star, regardless of wins and losses. Now I believe he will beat Rollins eventually, but again if he doesn't that still don't mean he won't become a main eventer.

Austin only lost twice in 97

[kingquan316]

Ok, my thoughts on Ziggler/Cesaro and Ambrose/Rollins (the main two matches I cared about):

Loved every moment of the Ziggler vs Cesaro match. Two things I liked about Ziggler getting the clean sweep. For one, it makes him look VERY strong as the Intercontinental Champion. Second, it would have been fairly predictable to have Ziggler and Cesaro trade falls. Ziggler getting the 2-0 victory added an enjoyable surprise element to the match. Also, Ziggler and Cesaro had the opening match of the PPV. They would have had to rush all 3 falls and the match was fast paced as it is with just 2 falls.

Considering the match was 12 minutes and 15 seconds long, Ziggler and Cesaro crafted it as good as anyone possibly could. Their attention to detail was outstanding and arguably, they had the toughest assignment out of any of the other matches when you take into account the stipulation and the fact that they had the opening match.

Rollins vs Ambrose was the best story driven match I've seen since both of Daniel Bryan's matches at Wrestlemania 30. I had no issue with the finish at all. LOVED the hologram, the speaking in tongues, crowd's reaction with the phone lights. An Ambrose/Wyatt feud is a fan's dream.

Also, neither Rollins nor Ambrose looks weak after the match. Rollins is still the chickens**t heel that managed to steal the win and gets more heat. Ambrose succeeds in not only getting sympathy as a babyface, but this puts heat on Wyatt as a heel and dissuades the crowd from cheering for him to turn.

As Triple H had explained in a recent interview with Michael Cole, Hell In A Cell isn't about winning, it's about surviving. While sure, sometimes you MUST have a clear winner, I think in the case of Rollins and Ambrose it was more about the substance within the match than who won or lost at the end of it. Ambrose's character, much like Bray's, isn't scared of losing. Ambrose wanted to Rollins inside a cell so he could beat up on him and Ambrose was able to do so.

I was not ready for the Ambrose and Rollins story to be completely over. I feel the match succeeding in not only beginning a new feud between Ambrose and Wyatt, but it further extends the feud between Ambrose and Rollins allowing it to be revisited for a later date. This is similar to how Bryan briefly feuded with Bray Wyatt before getting to set his sights again on the WWE World Heavyweight Championship.

The rest of the matches were good but I would need to watch them again to give thoughtful analysis on them. I will say however that I wish Orton would have beaten Cena, so we could see Orton vs Lesnar with Orton as a babyface. As much as people say they prefer Orton to be a heel, I actually prefer him as a face.

Orton plays the heel role very well, but he's such a badass that I'd much rather cheer for him. Unlike Cena, Orton is a natural in the ring. I look at a guy like Orton and I don't see a guy that should have to depend on "The Authority" for protection. A guy like Rollins is more believable as the frail, insecure top heel, especially considering that Ambrose and Reigns are the true standouts of The Shield.

People b1tching about Dean not getting his win, and now he won't be a star, needs to have a history lesson. Austin never beat Bret Hart, and that was the hottest feud for a whole year. Austin eventually became their biggest star, and didn't even win his star making feud. LIke you said, I think Ambrose and Rollins will be revisited in the future, and this feud isn't totally settled, but again you don't need a babyface to win a feud and become a huge star (however, unless it culminates in Mania, where I believe that a babyface should usually win at a match there, especially if it's the main event for the tile, although Austin and Bret was at mania, but that wasn't the culmination of the feud as it was suppose to be the mania after that ends it before Bret left). If Dean Ambrose is really that good, he will become a star, regardless of wins and losses. Now I believe he will beat Rollins eventually, but again if he doesn't that still don't mean he won't become a main eventer.

Austin only lost twice in 97

In 97 Austin lost 4 times in main event matches on ppvs. 3 of those loses involved Bret Hart. That isn't including the 96 survivor series match Austin lost to Bret that started the feud. So Austin lost the feud, but it didn't matter cause his character won over the fans, and eventually he became the franchise guy. Not saying Ambrose will have a similar path, but if he has the talent, wins and loses shouldn't matter as much in the long run. I do agree he needs a signature win eventually, but losing early in his career is ok, the fans won't leave him. Now if WWE effs it up and just put him in midcard hell, then I'll start being pissed off. I'll hold off judgment until I see these next months leading up to Mania.

[Quadruple H]

Surprised at people's reaction to the Bray interference here.

I like it for a number of reasons.

1. Bray vs Ambrose has a huge amount of potential between both of their mic work and in ring ability. They're a pretty perfect match - sorta like Bray was saying in his promo on Raw, their characters are a lot alike despite them being very different.

2. It was a nice spot for Bray to return after being out of the spotlight for a while and get a lot of heat on him by **** with the current fan favorite in Ambrose. I'm a big fan of Bray and I have high hopes for what comes from this.

3. I don't think the Rollins v Ambrose feud was in need of a clean Ambrose win yet. I think it was in need of some sort of temporary conclusion and a break because it was in danger of getting played out. This adds to the rivalry and gives Dean an interesting feud to direct his attention toward until the time when he and Seth meet again down the line.


That Raw last night was pretty solid too... excited about what's about to happen with Orton. Been growing fonder and fonder of him since I started really following last winter. Him and Seth should put on a pretty great match if that's where they go with it

[Fury]

Kevin Steen will be Kevin Owens

[IMAN5]

haha you beat me to it ^ came in here to post that as well.