2015-2016 Dream Lineup

[xsaberx]

yes it is, but we don't have nearly enough cap space to pull this off.

He put the numbers in and they seem totally reasonable
9 + 12 + 12 = 33

Problem is that we aren't getting all of these guys with market value. A 12 mil first year contract will be about 4 yrs, 55 mil for both Dragic and Draymond (I can't see someone not offering Dragic less and GS might match that). The Matthews contract would be about 4 yrs, 44 mil if it starts at 9 and that's his market value which means he'd have to pick us over all the other teams offering him similar money. Plus I'm off because I didn't take Okafor's 4.5 mil into account or Smith being a UFA with no bird rights (meaning we might have to trade Jose for this to be realistic).

Still it's probably our best case I just don't think it will happen. I hope we at least end up with 2 of those guys (out of Dragic, Matthews, and Green)

I didn't see that you kept Calderon - yes can't work - the premise here was Calderon traded, and then including the first round pick at 4.7 mil leaves us with 33 mil left

Draymond Green is a risk because of the match, could sub in Milsap since the commitment would be instant and final, I'd rather green due to age and defense

It's true that everything would have to be perfect for this to happen... But that is what Phil is here for, to get these guys together and sell them a plan. This team would be an instant elite team.

[Reign23]

Brandon Knight
Danny Green
Carmelo Anthony
Draymond Green
Jahlil Okafor

^Green Team. That a great team.

People don't realize it because they don't watch many Bucks games outside of him killing Ray but Brandon Knight is terrible. He can score but outside of that he's the worst PG in the league. I'd take Charlotte Felton over Knight 10 days out the week and there's a large group of Bucks fans that want absolutely nothing to do with the guy and for good reason.

Danny Green is also one of the most inconsistent shooters in the league. He's almost as inconsistent as JR but he plays less minutes (think Denver JR). That frontcourt doe.

in what world is brandon knight a terrible pg? 18 pts 5 ast 4 reb 1.7 spg with 43%fg 41%3fg 89%FT for a 28-23 milwaukee team.. he's also 23 years old and I think there's no chance we can get him.

[E-Balla]

Dream scenario is Knicks win Lottery. Philly gets 3rd or 4th pick. We trade #1 for (#3 or #4) & #13. Draft 2 studs that fit need. Fill out the roster with FA.

If this happens . That could potentially lead to a:

Russell(or Dragic for 12 starting)/Curry (part of MLE)/Gallo II
Matthews (9)/Timmy
Melo
Green (12)/Looney
Towns(or Hibbert for 11 starting)/Ajinca (part of MLE)


That's a nice rotation. I don't think we can pull that trade off though. Also I really want to work Khris Middleton into some of these. I don't think Milwaukee pays both him and Knight and he's a better player than Knight that's seen as worse because he's relatively unknown to non Bucks fans.

[Stoosh]

If we can't overpay for LaMarcus Aldridge , Paul Millsap or Draymond Green and pry them away from winning teams we will have a big hole at PF. The other available options at this position are weak compared to guards and centers. The next tier is Tristan Thompson and David West

[newyorker4ever]

If this offseason went perfectly, who would you have as starters for the Knicks next year?

Assume we are able to trade Calderon, and clear his salary for next year, leaving us with 33 million to spend on free agents.

Choose your first round pick.

Be realistic in terms of salary.

I think this is a nice list of free agents:
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/2015- ... -by-tiers/

(And I'd hesitate to include Kawhi or Jimmy Butler because they will be matched)



For instance:

C: Okafor
PF: Draymond Green or Milsap (12 mil)
SF: Melo
SG: Wesley Matthews (10 mil)
PG: Dragic (11 mil)

or

C: Gasol (18 mil - max)
PF: Amir Johnson (7 mil)
SF: Melo
SG: Danny Green (8 mil)
PG: Mudiay

I'm one of the guys that wouldn't mind if we kept Calderon so i'll do one with him and one without.

OK4/Towns
D.Green/P.Milsap
Melo
W.Mathews
J.Calderon

Gasol
D.Green/P.Milsap
Melo
Timmy/Galloway
D.Russell

We'd have money left to spend with option one to get another tier 2/3 type player but i'd prefer option two but would obviously be happy with either.

[E-Balla]

People don't realize it because they don't watch many Bucks games outside of him killing Ray but Brandon Knight is terrible. He can score but outside of that he's the worst PG in the league. I'd take Charlotte Felton over Knight 10 days out the week and there's a large group of Bucks fans that want absolutely nothing to do with the guy and for good reason.

Danny Green is also one of the most inconsistent shooters in the league. He's almost as inconsistent as JR but he plays less minutes (think Denver JR). That frontcourt doe.

in what world is brandon knight a terrible pg? 18 pts 5 ast 4 reb 1.7 spg with 43%fg 41%3fg 89%FT for a 28-23 milwaukee team.. he's also 23 years old and I think there's no chance we can get him.

If there's any position where numbers don't matter it's PG. Mike James averaged 20/3/6 before.

Milwaukee in winning in spite of him not because of him. While Brandon Knight is on the floor the Bucks are outscored by 0.5 points per 100 possessions compared to them outscoring opponents by 8.1 points per 100 possession with him on the bench. Knight also benefits from playing most of his minutes with good players. He's a Jamal Crawford type (Jamal Crawford is a good player but at PG he was a trainwreck).

[Reign23]

in what world is brandon knight a terrible pg? 18 pts 5 ast 4 reb 1.7 spg with 43%fg 41%3fg 89%FT for a 28-23 milwaukee team.. he's also 23 years old and I think there's no chance we can get him.

If there's any position where numbers don't matter it's PG. Mike James averaged 20/3/6 before.

Milwaukee in winning in spite of him not because of him. While Brandon Knight is on the floor the Bucks are outscored by 0.5 points per 100 possessions compared to them outscoring opponents by 8.1 points per 100 possession with him on the bench. Knight also benefits from playing most of his minutes with good players. He's a Jamal Crawford type (Jamal Crawford is a good player but at PG he was a trainwreck).

If we could get him for about 12 mio, I would sign him in a heartbeat

[newyorker4ever]

Dangelo russell
Wes matthews
Carmelo anthony
Lamarcus aldridge
Robin lopez

not that it would happen but thats a hell of a starting lineup for NY

I'm with you on that one. Out of all the lineups i've seen people come up with in the last month or so this is one of my favorites and one i've never even thought about. Grabbing all three of those guys from Portland would be awesome.

[Jeff Van Gully]

If this offseason went perfectly, who would you have as starters for the Knicks next year?

Assume we are able to trade Calderon, and clear his salary for next year, leaving us with 33 million to spend on free agents.

Choose your first round pick.

Be realistic in terms of salary.

I think this is a nice list of free agents:
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/2015- ... -by-tiers/

(And I'd hesitate to include Kawhi or Jimmy Butler because they will be matched)



For instance:

C: Okafor
PF: Draymond Green or Milsap (12 mil)
SF: Melo
SG: Wesley Matthews (10 mil)
PG: Dragic (11 mil)

or

C: Gasol (18 mil - max)
PF: Amir Johnson (7 mil)
SF: Melo
SG: Danny Green (8 mil)
PG: Mudiay

I'm one of the guys that wouldn't mind if we kept Calderon so i'll do one with him and one without.

OK4/Towns
D.Green/P.Milsap
Melo
W.Mathews
J.Calderon

Gasol
D.Green/P.Milsap
Melo
Timmy/Galloway
D.Russell

We'd have money left to spend with option one to get another tier 2/3 type player but i'd prefer option two but would obviously be happy with either.

i like it. the key is that we can't assume calderon will not be here. he's also not a bum. he was pivotal in almost taking the champs out last playoffs. he can run an offense still, and take the good shots we need out of that position. if he stays and we draft a 5, i'd be all about the millsap/wes matthews combo. even danny green there would be perfectly fine and likely save more money.

we could also move calderon, in which case, dray and gasol would fit cap-wise. i just don't see him, gasol, or millsap leaving their respective teams. but to bring draymond and gasol on with a russell... that would be a hell of a haul.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Dangelo russell
Wes matthews
Carmelo anthony
Lamarcus aldridge
Robin lopez

not that it would happen but thats a hell of a starting lineup for NY

I'm with you on that one. Out of all the lineups i've seen people come up with in the last month or so this is one of my favorites and one i've never even thought about. Grabbing all three of those guys from Portland would be awesome.

and they'd basically be playing with brandon roy 2.0

[E-Balla]

If there's any position where numbers don't matter it's PG. Mike James averaged 20/3/6 before.

Milwaukee in winning in spite of him not because of him. While Brandon Knight is on the floor the Bucks are outscored by 0.5 points per 100 possessions compared to them outscoring opponents by 8.1 points per 100 possession with him on the bench. Knight also benefits from playing most of his minutes with good players. He's a Jamal Crawford type (Jamal Crawford is a good player but at PG he was a trainwreck).

If we could get him for about 12 mio, I would sign him in a heartbeat

I would lose all hope in Phil and immediately peg him as an even worse Isiah. Knight shouldn't make more than JR Smith or Jamal Crawford make (aka the MLE). Last year he put up identical numbers on a 16 win team. He's a bottom 5 starting PG.

[Reign23]

If there's any position where numbers don't matter it's PG. Mike James averaged 20/3/6 before.

Milwaukee in winning in spite of him not because of him. While Brandon Knight is on the floor the Bucks are outscored by 0.5 points per 100 possessions compared to them outscoring opponents by 8.1 points per 100 possession with him on the bench. Knight also benefits from playing most of his minutes with good players. He's a Jamal Crawford type (Jamal Crawford is a good player but at PG he was a trainwreck).

If we could get him for about 12 mio, I would sign him in a heartbeat

I would lose all hope in Phil and immediately peg him as an even worse Isiah. Knight shouldn't make more than JR Smith or Jamal Crawford make (aka the MLE). Last year he put up identical numbers on a 16 win team. He's a bottom 5 starting PG.

no freaking way ... we have a bottom 5 starting PG for the 1000th year in row, yes.

[MDDN48]

PG: Dragic
SG: Matthews
SF: Melo
PF: Okafor
C: M.Gasol


What's better than this?

Well you did say MY dream, right?

[mrpoetryNmotion]

PG: 1st round pick
SG: 1st round pick
SF: not Melo
PF: 2nd round pick
C: our lotto pick

Yeah, honestly, if I'm going dream scenario, I'm trading Melo for a few 1sts/whatever and hope we draft future stars while signing a few solid role players to help guide them along.

And it's telling, perhaps, that I consider this my dream scenario.

And you will be the Minnosta Timberwolves for years to come. All those picks doesn't mean you will end up with a good team. It is usually a huge signing plus a home grown draft pick.

Knicks have their huge signing in Carmelo Anthony , he is the star.

Knicks will draft there second star in either Okafor, Mudiay or Towns.

Knicks will then sign Role players to fill out the roster.

Melo is a huge signing in terms money, yes. I'm not a believer in him to be the head dog spearheading a championship run, especially on a team with a young/inexperienced second star and role players (and that may be best case scenario) when he's in his thirties. I think Melo would have been better suited as a secondary star elsewhere.

But I've said this since he first got traded here and it always seems to be a touchy subject for some people, moreso than with other Knicks players in the past.

But you're right, even if the Knicks did end up getting all those draft picks they'd probably pick all the wrong players, or dudes would get injured, and be Timberwolves 2.0...but is it that worse than the status quo?

[DickGrayson]

Brandon Knight
Danny Green
Carmelo Anthony
Draymond Green
Jahlil Okafor

^Green Team. That a great team.

People don't realize it because they don't watch many Bucks games outside of him killing Ray but Brandon Knight is terrible. He can score but outside of that he's the worst PG in the league. I'd take Charlotte Felton over Knight 10 days out the week and there's a large group of Bucks fans that want absolutely nothing to do with the guy and for good reason.

Danny Green is also one of the most inconsistent shooters in the league. He's almost as inconsistent as JR but he plays less minutes (think Denver JR). That frontcourt doe.

This nonsense ends now.

Danny Green is shooting 41% from 3pt.

hes shooting 40% which is like top 15-20 in the NBA.




if Danny Green is inconsistent, then who is consistent? He's up there with one of the best shooters in the NBA.

[Nazrmohamed]

Dream Scenario is LeBron, but that's never going to happen. Neither is someone like Gasol, or Aldridge and even Millsap.

Realistically (and even this feels far-fetched from what probably happens)...

1) Draft D'Angelo Russell
2) Convince Hibbert to opt out and take a little cut now for the guaranteed money later (4yr-$48mil)
3) Ideally this is where we sign Draymond Green, but Golden St. matches. We focus attention on Wes Matthews, only to see him re-up in Portland. So we steal Danny Green away from San Antonio (4yr-$35mil)
4) Deal THJr+TPE to the Bulls who have to pony up for Butler and want to remain below the tax, for Taj Gibson.
5) Re-Sign Aldrich to backup Hibbert
6) Have Prigioni recruit Luis Scola for the vet min (one last hoorah)


PG: D'Angelo Russell / Jose Calderon / Pablo Prigioni
SG: Danny Green / Langston Galloway
SF: Carmelo Anthony / Vet Min / Cleanthony Early
PF: Taj Gibson / Luis Scola
C: Roy Hibbert / Cole Aldrich

I'm gonna just steal this idea except replace Russell/Green with Mudaiy/Matthews

[NYKBaller]

My team if we get okafor

Pg Galloway
sg wesley matthews
Sf carmelo
pf paul millsap/anthony Randolph
c jahlil okafor

If we get towns

Galloway
Danny Green
carmelo
kevin love
karl towns

[fresko024]

I'm not a fan of Danny Green. We would definitely overpay for a mediocre talent.

I'd much rather max out Jimmy Butler or Leonard and if that doesn't work we should try to get Mathews.

After that, we go after Paul Millsap or Draymond Green. Phil has to use his Zen this FA. I think we'll be okay though.

[E-Balla]

^Green Team. That a great team.

People don't realize it because they don't watch many Bucks games outside of him killing Ray but Brandon Knight is terrible. He can score but outside of that he's the worst PG in the league. I'd take Charlotte Felton over Knight 10 days out the week and there's a large group of Bucks fans that want absolutely nothing to do with the guy and for good reason.

Danny Green is also one of the most inconsistent shooters in the league. He's almost as inconsistent as JR but he plays less minutes (think Denver JR). That frontcourt doe.

This nonsense ends now.

Danny Green is shooting 41% from 3pt.

hes shooting 40% which is like top 15-20 in the NBA.




if Danny Green is inconsistent, then who is consistent? He's up there with one of the best shooters in the NBA.

And JR was 39% last year. Doesn't mean he's consistent. He's on 60% of games and off 40%. 6 3/5 games and 4 1/5 games means you are 44% but you were still bad in 40% of the games you played.

[NYKBaller]

I'm not a fan of Danny Green. We would definitely overpay for a mediocre talent.

I'd much rather max out Jimmy Butler or Leonard and if that doesn't work we should try to get Mathews.

After that, we go after Paul Millsap or Draymond Green. Phil has to use his Zen this FA. I think we'll be okay though.

More for the championship experience, ability to run in a system. Etc