Michael Sweetney (aka Sweets)

[Capn'O]

i'm pro-weed too. but it's not an anti-depressant. it's anti-anxiety. it's definitely a depressant.

As you mention later... depends on what you get. But there's a lot of budding, if you will, research on canabinoids and depression that suggests that they _may_ be useful treatments. Will post some articles later if that would be valued but can't ATM.

[Knicksfan20]

Eddy Curry had depression too for sure.

Also - did you know that many depression meds make you put on a ton of weight, which reduces testosterone, which makes you feel low on energy? It's a pretty crappy cycle. You can pick out athletes with depression very easily.

Or maybe depression isn't a real thing and just a made up disease like obesity.

Everyone goes through depression. You arnt born with it. Certain things happen in people's lives which can cause depression which can last days months or years.

Medication Doesn't fix it, just makes it worse. I have seen many people diagnosed with depression and for stupid reasons. One of my good friends got diagnosed when she was 12. Had her on all types of ****. Why? Cuz she started to act up and was sad all the time.

But did the doctors take the time to figure out why? Nope... Let's just disregard puberty a day the fact that she just lost her mother to cancer aND her dad was a sht hole. Maybe that's why she is depressed at 12 years old.

It's all bull ****.

Very insensitive. More importantly, very wrong. This attitude is why many people who could be helped don't take advantage of the help that's available to them. We lose people from this. More days of work are lost to depression than heart disease last year and for each of the 30 years before that. It is a real disease, diagnosed by physicians, and treated with medications that have been proven effective in very respected peer reviewed, double blinded clinical trials since the 1960s.

There are malingerers, the unmotivated people who just don't care what they do. But that doesn't take away from the number of clinically depressed people who need help the same way cancer sufferers do. Weight loss leading to death, as well as extreme weight gain, can be symptoms of a major depression. Lack of restorative sleep, loss of motivation, pleasure, and even disruption of thought processes can occur in some patients. Not every patient can be helped. Medications don't always works. As of now, they remain the best hope of most people who suffer from depression.

You dont understand my point of view at all.

1. I feel like depression isn't genetically caused nor do I feel like obesity. Things hsppen in people's lives which cause these things to happen.

2. Depression is real and everybody has it and at certain levels in their point in their lives. Lasts longer then some

3. Medication is not needed to get rid of depression.

4. Pscologist who prescribed medication to children is a terrible thing to do. Especially since most of then do t even talk to the kids or try to find an alternative way to help them.

5. If you are told at 14 years old that you will never be happy and the only way to feel "normal" is to take these pills, then you are going to believe that. Anti depressents is the last thing a pubescent kid needs.


I believe strongly in my views and I'm not being Insensitive. I'm literally the only one here who has ever defended Eddy Curry when others bash him.

The problem with depression is the way it's dealt with.

[Capn'O]

FWIW, here is the link to a non-botched version of the account of one man's experience with Senegalese treatment of depression...



https://philebersole.wordpress.com/2014/04/15/how-traditional-africans-treat-clinical-depression/

It consisted of stripping to a loincloth, being rubbed with millet, listening to a tape of Chariots of Fire, holding shamanistic objects and dropping them, listening to villagers drumming, getting in bed with a ram, being covered in blankets and sheets by dancing villagers, stripping naked, being drenched with the blood of the ram and two roosters, drinking a Coke, being wrapped in the intestines of the ram, burying little bits of the ram, receiving the millet wrapped in paper with orders to give it to a beggar the next day, saying goodbye to the spirits that infested his body, and then being cleansed of blood by village women spitting water on him.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a27628/notes-on-an-exorcism/

You know, we had a lot of trouble with Western mental health workers who came here immediately after the genocide, and we had to ask some of them to leave.”

I said, “What was the problem?”

And he said, “Their practice did not involve being outside in the sun, like you’re describing, which is, after all, where you begin to feel better. There was no music or drumming to get your blood flowing again when you’re depressed, and you’re low, and you need to have your blood flowing. There was no sense that everyone had taken the day off so that the entire community could come together to try to lift you up and bring you back to joy. There was no acknowledgment that the depression is something invasive and external that could actually be cast out of you again.

“Instead, they would take people one at a time into these dingy little rooms and have them sit around for an hour or so and talk about bad things that had happened to them. We had to get them to leave the country.”

[Brooklyn_Yards]

Eddy Curry had depression too for sure.

Also - did you know that many depression meds make you put on a ton of weight, which reduces testosterone, which makes you feel low on energy? It's a pretty crappy cycle. You can pick out athletes with depression very easily.

EDDY Currys wife and a couple of his kids are also dead. Maybe that's why he was depressed.

Nova wasn't his wife and only one of his children died with her. What was his excuse for being a POS BEFORE they were murdered in 09? Some players are just BUMS! No depression needed.

[Jeff Van Gully]

i'm pro-weed too. but it's not an anti-depressant. it's anti-anxiety. it's definitely a depressant.

As you mention later... depends on what you get. But there's a lot of budding, if you will, research on canabinoids and depression that suggests that they _may_ be useful treatments. Will post some articles later if that would be valued but can't ATM.

right. indica vs. sativa vs. blends, etc. variations of strains. some weed makes your brain race a bit, some the opposite. and different people react to all of these things differently. i was speaking in general terms, and i probably shouldn't have.

but i was talking about depressant in the categorical sense. not saying weed induces clinical depression or makes you sad. more that, weed is a "downer."

irrelevant story, i was in vancouver once and had some herb that straight up had my brain running from me. tried to hit it like it was that new york reggie bush and paid the price. i didn't know if i was ever coming back down. it was sliiiiightly scary.

[Knicksfan20]

Eddy Curry had depression too for sure.

Also - did you know that many depression meds make you put on a ton of weight, which reduces testosterone, which makes you feel low on energy? It's a pretty crappy cycle. You can pick out athletes with depression very easily.

EDDY Currys wife and a couple of his kids are also dead. Maybe that's why he was depressed.

Nova wasn't his wife and only one of his children died with her. What was his excuse for being a POS BEFORE they were murdered in 09? Some players are just BUMS! No depression needed.

I dont remember what years, but wasnt Eddy a borderline all star with us before this happened? Before him and his wife and kids were robbed and I believe tied up In their own home?

I don't remember the exact specificsame. But Eddy went through some ****.

[Luv those Knicks]

@king of Canada


I 100% agree. The problem is the Doctors and the pharmaceutical companies that belive you can fix every problem with medicine or a pill.

There are a ton of variables that can lead to one feeling depressed. And everything you listed can cause that.

The doctors don't care about your children. They just write up a prescription like they were taught and send the kid and family on their way.

Problem is the parents as well. None of these parents are talking with their kids aND trying to help. They are all too busy with their lives and just assume the kid needs help because he/she is acting up. Most kids don't get enough exercise Either and spend all day in front of a tv or computer.

Of all the people I listed (my brother, my friend and my babies mother) all have something in common. All started on anti depressents when teenagers and all ended up moving onto heroine. Not saying anti depressents are a gateway drug, but they act in a similar way.

Heroine and opiates give you a false feeling of happyNess. Same way anti depressents do.

You start trying to balance chemicals in your brain when you don't need too. You are going to cause permanent damage to your brain.

Anti depressentsare supposed to help your bran be normal and be happy... then why does it also damage your brain at the same time?

Almost everything you say is true, but you're flat out wrong on depression. It's a real thing. Just because you were misdiagnosed doesn't mean it's misdiagnosed with everybody.

and you actually come across as super judgmental. If you want to judge the American medical establishment - go for it, I back you 100%, but when you say "Depression is never real" - I know people who struggle with it. It's absolutely a real medical condition and saying that as a blanket statement is ignorant and stupid.

[Knicksfan20]

@king of Canada


I 100% agree. The problem is the Doctors and the pharmaceutical companies that belive you can fix every problem with medicine or a pill.

There are a ton of variables that can lead to one feeling depressed. And everything you listed can cause that.

The doctors don't care about your children. They just write up a prescription like they were taught and send the kid and family on their way.

Problem is the parents as well. None of these parents are talking with their kids aND trying to help. They are all too busy with their lives and just assume the kid needs help because he/she is acting up. Most kids don't get enough exercise Either and spend all day in front of a tv or computer.

Of all the people I listed (my brother, my friend and my babies mother) all have something in common. All started on anti depressents when teenagers and all ended up moving onto heroine. Not saying anti depressents are a gateway drug, but they act in a similar way.

Heroine and opiates give you a false feeling of happyNess. Same way anti depressents do.

You start trying to balance chemicals in your brain when you don't need too. You are going to cause permanent damage to your brain.

Anti depressentsare supposed to help your bran be normal and be happy... then why does it also damage your brain at the same time?

Almost everything you say is true, but you're flat out wrong on depression. It's a real thing. Just because you were misdiagnosed doesn't mean it's misdiagnosed with everybody.

and you actually come across as super judgmental. If you want to judge the American medical establishment - go for it, I back you 100%, but when you say "Depression is never real" - I know people who struggle with it. It's absolutely a real medical condition and saying that as a blanket statement is ignorant and stupid.

Never once said it wasnt real. I just dont think its a genetical disease.

Depression comes from things that happen in somebodies life. Having Depression is when a doctor tells you , you have it. And you then believe them because hes a doctor.

Im not trying to sound insensitive, i sympathize with people who feel this way. And i sympathize even more with people who get wrongly diagnosed every day. Feel bad for the 12 year old kids who get told they will never be happy or normal and have to take this pill if they ever want to be normal. I truly feel bad for them. Its not their fault they are currently being set up for failure, but their parents fault for being lazy and not talking to their kids and the Doctors fault for giving addictive drugs to a pubescent boy or girl.

People think im being a dick and im not. Im just so against medications such as anti depressents and i have strong views and opinions about them.

[stuporman]

It's all fun and games when it's bullishting on the internet or playing doctor with your buddies until someone life is really hurt by some person with 'feelings' as opinions telling people to stop taking their medication. There are people who devote their life to research so we can learn the evidence of what is actually happening and how to help, these are the people who know the facts, not someone on the internet with stories of anecdotal cures.

As individuals though we need to make judgement calls on the types of therapies we want for us or our loved ones taking everything into consideration and not just begin swallowing pills just on a doctor's word. It's not an easy path to navigate but it's also not an easy issue to deal with.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150128113824.htm

Interestingly, one of the benefits of cannabis is reducing inflammation and more specifically, THC reduces it in the brain. Although finding a strain that has high CBD content is needed to avoid the anxiety as it's the natural counteraction to that effect from it.

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/depressionresearch.htm

Mentioning things from genetics to environment that contribute to it.

[Knicksfan20]

When i said Depression is a made up disease i mean exactly that. I dont feel like its a disease. Everybody gets depressed and just about everybody can deal with it in another manor outside of taking drugs for it.

How people end up with depression is they go to a doctor, he speaks to them for 30 mins and then comes to a conclusion about which of the 30 possible drugs he is going to put you on. I gave examples of people i know in my life who were handled poorly and it affected them negatively to this day.

Anti Depressents are poison.

[NBA Fan 1234]

When i said Depression is a made up disease i mean exactly that. I dont feel like its a disease. Everybody gets depressed and just about everybody can deal with it in another manor outside of taking drugs for it.

How people end up with depression is they go to a doctor, he speaks to them for 30 mins and then comes to a conclusion about which of the 30 possible drugs he is going to put you on. I gave examples of people i know in my life who were handled poorly and it affected them negatively to this day.

Anti Depressents are poison.

Yeah, that's complete bull. You clearly lack the knowledge on the subject if you think depression is a "madhe e up disease." That's ignorant.



On topic, I'm rooting for Sweetney. Actually spent a good chunk of last weekend watching TBT (I was bored, what can I say...) - he had one play where he played great post defense and threw a PERFECT QB pass to a leaking man for an easy fast break bucket. Was really nice. Hope they win.


BTW - Myck Kabongo was in the tournament playing on the overseas team (forgot the name). Also Mookie Jones (Syracuse) is playing for the 'Cuse team - played against him in AAU...and fouled him on a 3 pointer...which was a **** call. It's fun watching the game because it's a bunch of has been college stars / HS guys.

[Knicksfan20]

It's all fun and games when it's bullishting on the internet or playing doctor with your buddies until someone life is really hurt by some person with 'feelings' as opinions telling people to stop taking their medication. There are people who devote their life to research so we can learn the evidence of what is actually happening and how to help, these are the people who know the facts, not someone on the internet with stories of anecdotal cures.

As individuals though we need to make judgement calls on the types of therapies we want for us or our loved ones taking everything into consideration and not just begin swallowing pills just on a doctor's word. It's not an easy path to navigate but it's also not an easy issue to deal with.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150128113824.htm

Interestingly, one of the benefits of cannabis is reducing inflammation and more specifically, THC reduces it in the brain. Although finding a strain that has high CBD content is needed to avoid the anxiety as it's the natural counteraction to that effect from it.

Yea and their are also scientists who believe in the big bang theory.

Quote me and debate me on the subject if you want. Just because there are people who put time into research doesnt mean the research is right. People spend their lives researching and trying to prove Big Foot is real.


Just because somebody has a degree doesnt make them smart. I have 4 summer helpers who all go to universities and are 4 of the dumbest kids i have ever met.

You realize my whole problem with everything is the Doctors or prescribe anti depressants and misdiagnose children with depression right? That is my problem. THen you bring up Marijuana which is something i am for.

Pro Marijuana Not Pro pills and medication.


Stop reading my posts as me being insensitive and actually read what i am saying. Maybe im not the best at explaining my point of view, but im not being insensitive at all.

[Luv those Knicks]

You dont understand my point of view at all.

1. I feel like depression isn't genetically caused nor do I feel like obesity. Things hsppen in people's lives which cause these things to happen.

This is wrong. People can be genetically predisposed to clinical depression and Obesity, or both, or neither.

2. Depression is real and everybody has it and at certain levels in their point in their lives. Lasts longer then some

Everybody feels depressed from time to time. Not everybody suffers from clinical depression. It's normal to feel depressed at points in life - everybody agrees with this, but what you're saying here has nothing to do with clinical depression.

and I love how you say "Lasts longer for some" - in Sweetney's case, it lasted for 10 years - how long before you would say that some kind of treatment is appropriate?

3. Medication is not needed to get rid of depression.

OK, that's technically true, but it's an option and your assumption that it's always a bad option is false.

second, while you're making claims that people don't get what you're saying, you're not getting something really basic, that depression and clinical depression - ARE NOT THE SAME THING.

Medication isn't always needed, there's other options, therapy for example, but that's not the question. The question is, is medication beneficial and that's determined on a case by case basis.

4. Pscologist who prescribed medication to children is a terrible thing to do. Especially since most of then do t even talk to the kids or try to find an alternative way to help them.

This I agree with. But, Sweetney wasn't a child. He was 21 when his father died and 32 when he started treatment (Brain research indicates that the Brain doesn't really enter adulthood till around 25, so 21 is still, in brain science, the later part of development - which happens throughout childhood).

But what I don't get is how you can tie your experience, at 16 to Sweetney's at 32 when he finally got help after 11 years of not getting help.

Personally I think anyone who loses a parent and has a hard time dealing with it should find a therapist they like and talk about it.

This I agree with. I'm a big fan of therapy, in fact, I wish we'd encourage it more and cover it with Obamacare. There was a bit on 60 minutes a year or so back about how psychiatric hospitals in the US are closing and former psych patients are now being sent to prisons instead - which is a separate issue, but it shouldn't happen.

The pharmacy companies are winning "here, take this pill" and the insurance companies are winning "Pills are cheaper than therapy", and common sense, like, don't treat with a pill what you can treat with a talk, is losing . . . so there's a lot to what you're saying that's right. I don't want to make it sound like I disagree with you completely. I don't disagree with you completely. But I disagree with your assumption that your situation applies to everybody.

5. If you are told at 14 years old that you will never be happy and the only way to feel "normal" is to take these pills, then you are going to believe that. Anti depressents is the last thing a pubescent kid needs.

This I agree with. Did someone actually say that to you or was it more implied? Sometimes, if people think (even if they are wrong) that pills will help, they will say things like "this will make you feel better, this will help"

I totally get that you were misdiagnosed, but sometimes harmful things are said accidentally and even with good intention.

and I also agree with you, kids are often over-prescribed. I think it's a terrible approach.

I believe strongly in my views and I'm not being Insensitive. I'm literally the only one here who has ever defended Eddy Curry when others bash him.

You come across as insensitive because you don't understand clinical depression. As you say, you didn't have it and your assumption seems to be that nobody ever has it - that comes across as insensitive to people who do have it or know people who have it.

Maybe you should believe less strongly about something you never had and don't understand? . . . maybe?

The problem with depression is the way it's dealt with.

Kind of covered this already, but, yes, sometimes, this is true. It's not universally true that all medical treatments for depression are bad.

[NBA Fan 1234]

It's all fun and games when it's bullishting on the internet or playing doctor with your buddies until someone life is really hurt by some person with 'feelings' as opinions telling people to stop taking their medication. There are people who devote their life to research so we can learn the evidence of what is actually happening and how to help, these are the people who know the facts, not someone on the internet with stories of anecdotal cures.

As individuals though we need to make judgement calls on the types of therapies we want for us or our loved ones taking everything into consideration and not just begin swallowing pills just on a doctor's word. It's not an easy path to navigate but it's also not an easy issue to deal with.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150128113824.htm

Interestingly, one of the benefits of cannabis is reducing inflammation and more specifically, THC reduces it in the brain. Although finding a strain that has high CBD content is needed to avoid the anxiety as it's the natural counteraction to that effect from it.

Yea and their are also scientists who believe in the big bang theory.

Quote me and debate me on the subject if you want. Just because there are people who put time into research doesnt mean the research is right. People spend their lives researching and trying to prove Big Foot is real.


Just because somebody has a degree doesnt make them smart. I have 4 summer helpers who all go to universities and are 4 of the dumbest kids i have ever met.

You realize my whole problem with everything is the Doctors or prescribe anti depressants and misdiagnose children with depression right? That is my problem. THen you bring up Marijuana which is something i am for.

Pro Marijuana Not Pro pills and medication.


Stop reading my posts as me being insensitive and actually read what i am saying. Maybe im not the best at explaining my point of view, but im not being insensitive at all.

There's a reason why scientists believe in the big bang -- because it is real.

Depression is a real thing (from outside events and from a chemical / anatomical point of view) - whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant.

[nykballa2k4]

Or maybe depression isn't a real thing and just a made up disease like obesity.

Everyone goes through depression. You arnt born with it. Certain things happen in people's lives which can cause depression which can last days months or years.

Medication Doesn't fix it, just makes it worse. I have seen many people diagnosed with depression and for stupid reasons. One of my good friends got diagnosed when she was 12. Had her on all types of ****. Why? Cuz she started to act up and was sad all the time.

But did the doctors take the time to figure out why? Nope... Let's just disregard puberty a day the fact that she just lost her mother to cancer aND her dad was a sht hole. Maybe that's why she is depressed at 12 years old.

It's all bull ****.

I think it's a real thing for sure, but it's a combination of all sorts of things that they don't really understand yet. Everybody has jumped on the PTSD bandwagon right now, and that it kind of an extreme version of the same kind of thing. I agree that the meds don't really fix anything. All the meds do are level you out, and make you care about everything a whole lot less.

Which in turn makes everything much worse. Some doctor tried to diagnose me with Big Polar when I was 16 cuz I was acting up and had a short temper. Told him to fk off with his medication. Never took medication in my life and I'm fine.

You tell a teenage kid there is something wrong with then they are going to believe you. Their brain is going to believe what you tell then.

Imagine being 12 years old and being told you will never be normal or happy for the rest of your life.

These doctors are criminals and pieces of **** in my eyes.

My brother was on anti depressents for 5 years. When he was 17-22. Why was he diagnosed? Cuz he felt suicidal and was sad all the time.

Why though? Did the doctor try to help him? No.. just gave him some pills to swallow.

But the real reason... his first girlfriend ever and a girl he loved a lot cheated on him and he was heart broken.

Last summer I told him to get off the shi . And he did. And now he feels 100% better then he did before.

My sons mother was diagnosed at 12 with depression also... why? Cuz she didn't want to go to school, hated school and acted out.

But why did she do that? Why didn't she want to go to school? Because her parents didn't have a lot of money so she wore hand me down cloths, big beat up glasses and got made fun of every day she went.

Hmmn.. if I got made fun of every day in school, I sure ad hell wouldn't be happy and not want to go to school either.

It's a bull **** disease and anybody who takes medication for it is just making it worse.

Everyone goes through periods of depression. Some worse the others, but there I'd always a cause for it.. and that cause isn't being born with it.

In New Jersey there is a large movement for peers in therapy. Trained professionals who have experienced their own mental health diagnosis and are currently "in recovery" or more accurately living well. Among the great qualities these individuals bring to the therapeutic relationship is hope and the knowledge that a diagnosis doesn't have to be a lifetime sentence. There is always hope in having the life a person wants to live.

For some people, medication MAY be the way to go, for others learning coping skills and symptom management. We all have anxiety, depression to varying degrees, but just as some have a higher pain tolerance, some people are affected more by these symptoms and need support to help them achieve their goals.

[Knicksfan20]

When i said Depression is a made up disease i mean exactly that. I dont feel like its a disease. Everybody gets depressed and just about everybody can deal with it in another manor outside of taking drugs for it.

How people end up with depression is they go to a doctor, he speaks to them for 30 mins and then comes to a conclusion about which of the 30 possible drugs he is going to put you on. I gave examples of people i know in my life who were handled poorly and it affected them negatively to this day.

Anti Depressents are poison.

Yeah, that's complete bull. You clearly lack the knowledge on the subject if you think depression is a "madhe e up disease." That's ignorant.



On topic, I'm rooting for Sweetney. Actually spent a good chunk of last weekend watching TBT (I was bored, what can I say...) - he had one play where he played great post defense and threw a PERFECT QB pass to a leaking man for an easy fast break bucket. Was really nice. Hope they win.


BTW - Myck Kabongo was in the tournament playing on the overseas team (forgot the name). Also Mookie Jones (Syracuse) is playing for the 'Cuse team - played against him in AAU...and fouled him on a 3 pointer...which was a **** call. It's fun watching the game because it's a bunch of has been college stars / HS guys.

I know plenty on the subject. Feel free to debate me on it. I have seen doctors ruin peoples lives. But go ahead and tell me how ignorant i am.

Im sure you probably have never even been to a psychologist or even know how most of them operate. Antidepressants are the worst thing you can put a 12 year old kid on. Telling a 12 year old they will never be happy for the rest of their life is the worst thing you can say. Because no matter what, they will believe you.

I have strong opinions on the manor. I have done research on it and know plenty about psychology. What did you read a few books or take a course @ your fancy school and now your some sort of expert? Just like the "experts" who go to school for 8 years but are still feeding children drugs instead of trying to help them by talking and listening to their problems?

You think kids NEED to be on anti depressants because they were born unlucky? I have never seen an unhappy baby or toddler. When have you? Just because a kid is sad doesnt mean they need drugs. Usually when somebody is sad, its for a reason... Not just meh.. im depressed for no reason...

The problem is doctors use prescriptions as the cure all for everything. You have this , this and this symptom... Ok let me put you on this drug.... Oh this drug didnt work for you? Ok lets try this drug... What this drug gives you a rash... hmmn. Lets try this out.

THats how it works in 90% of cases.

I can debate this topic all day. I have seen how negatively anti depressants have affected people. There is nothing you can say that will make me believe other wise. You are into health and fitness and the human body... You think taking man made drugs that effect the chemicals in your brain are good for the brain? Really? Just think about it.

[Luv those Knicks]

Never once said it wasnt real. I just dont think its a genetical disease.

It's not universally genetic, but there is good evidence, both statistical and genetic research that ties depression to genetics.

Depression comes from things that happen in somebodies life. Having Depression is when a doctor tells you , you have it. And you then believe them because hes a doctor.

That's an assumption on your part. Two assumptions actually.

1) that it comes from things that happen - well, OK, sometimes, not always

and 2) you have it when a doctor tells you - clearely you're not familiar with undiagnosed depression, which is quite common.

Im not trying to sound insensitive, i sympathize with people who feel this way. And i sympathize even more with people who get wrongly diagnosed every day. Feel bad for the 12 year old kids who get told they will never be happy or normal and have to take this pill if they ever want to be normal. I truly feel bad for them. Its not their fault they are currently being set up for failure, but their parents fault for being lazy and not talking to their kids and the Doctors fault for giving addictive drugs to a pubescent boy or girl.

People think im being a dick and im not. Im just so against medications such as anti depressents and i have strong views and opinions about them.

Do your views include people who say that antidepressants have saved their lives? I'm just curious. What would you say to a person who walked up to you and told you "antidepressants helped me live a normal and happy life"

The reason you sound insensitive (and, I get what you're saying and I know that you're not insensitive, but you do sound insentive).

Look at it this way, your approach seems to be "deal with it, no matter how long it lasts" and there's no room for medicine based help. Is there no room for a happy middle ground where, some of the time, medication might be helpful? I work in a doctors office and my experience is, frankly, the opposite of yours. There's a stigma "I'm not depressed, I'll tough it out" - so people don't want pills, when in fact, pills might help them. At least, I've seen that come up a whole lot more than I've seen the doctor push pills on people who didn't need them. - that's my gods honest experience.

[NBA Fan 1234]

When i said Depression is a made up disease i mean exactly that. I dont feel like its a disease. Everybody gets depressed and just about everybody can deal with it in another manor outside of taking drugs for it.

How people end up with depression is they go to a doctor, he speaks to them for 30 mins and then comes to a conclusion about which of the 30 possible drugs he is going to put you on. I gave examples of people i know in my life who were handled poorly and it affected them negatively to this day.

Anti Depressents are poison.

Yeah, that's complete bull. You clearly lack the knowledge on the subject if you think depression is a "madhe e up disease." That's ignorant.



On topic, I'm rooting for Sweetney. Actually spent a good chunk of last weekend watching TBT (I was bored, what can I say...) - he had one play where he played great post defense and threw a PERFECT QB pass to a leaking man for an easy fast break bucket. Was really nice. Hope they win.


BTW - Myck Kabongo was in the tournament playing on the overseas team (forgot the name). Also Mookie Jones (Syracuse) is playing for the 'Cuse team - played against him in AAU...and fouled him on a 3 pointer...which was a **** call. It's fun watching the game because it's a bunch of has been college stars / HS guys.

I know plenty on the subject. Feel free to debate me on it. I have seen doctors ruin peoples lives. But go ahead and tell me how ignorant i am.

Im sure you probably have never even been to a psychologist or even know how most of them operate. Antidepressants are the worst thing you can put a 12 year old kid on. Telling a 12 year old they will never be happy for the rest of their life is the worst thing you can say. Because no matter what, they will believe you.

I have strong opinions on the manor. I have done research on it and know plenty about psychology. What did you read a few books or take a course @ your fancy school and now your some sort of expert? Just like the "experts" who go to school for 8 years but are still feeding children drugs instead of trying to help them by talking and listening to their problems?

You think kids NEED to be on anti depressants because they were born unlucky? I have never seen an unhappy baby or toddler. When have you? Just because a kid is sad doesnt mean they need drugs. Usually when somebody is sad, its for a reason... Not just meh.. im depressed for no reason...

The problem is doctors use prescriptions as the cure all for everything. You have this , this and this symptom... Ok let me put you on this drug.... Oh this drug didnt work for you? Ok lets try this drug... What this drug gives you a rash... hmmn. Lets try this out.

THats how it works in 90% of cases.

I can debate this topic all day. I have seen how negatively anti depressants have affected people. There is nothing you can say that will make me believe other wise. You are into health and fitness and the human body... You think taking man made drugs that effect the chemicals in your brain are good for the brain? Really? Just think about it.

You sure you know plenty? Saying it's a made up disease makes you sound like someone who has very limited knowledge on the subject. I actually did read plenty of books on it at my "fancy school" and actually have experience with depression from more angles than you know. I understand how talking to experts helps a great deal and is a "healthier" option to medicines, but sometimes it is not the answer.

There is more to depression than just "being sad," as you put it - again, this just screams ignorance. Depression takes place at a biological level as well.

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It's all fun and games when it's bullishting on the internet or playing doctor with your buddies until someone life is really hurt by some person with 'feelings' as opinions telling people to stop taking their medication. There are people who devote their life to research so we can learn the evidence of what is actually happening and how to help, these are the people who know the facts, not someone on the internet with stories of anecdotal cures.

As individuals though we need to make judgement calls on the types of therapies we want for us or our loved ones taking everything into consideration and not just begin swallowing pills just on a doctor's word. It's not an easy path to navigate but it's also not an easy issue to deal with.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/01/150128113824.htm

Interestingly, one of the benefits of cannabis is reducing inflammation and more specifically, THC reduces it in the brain. Although finding a strain that has high CBD content is needed to avoid the anxiety as it's the natural counteraction to that effect from it.

Yea and their are also scientists who believe in the big bang theory.

Quote me and debate me on the subject if you want. Just because there are people who put time into research doesnt mean the research is right. People spend their lives researching and trying to prove Big Foot is real.


Just because somebody has a degree doesnt make them smart. I have 4 summer helpers who all go to universities and are 4 of the dumbest kids i have ever met.

You realize my whole problem with everything is the Doctors or prescribe anti depressants and misdiagnose children with depression right? That is my problem. THen you bring up Marijuana which is something i am for.

Pro Marijuana Not Pro pills and medication.


Stop reading my posts as me being insensitive and actually read what i am saying. Maybe im not the best at explaining my point of view, but im not being insensitive at all.

There's a reason why scientists believe in the big bang -- because it is real.

Depression is a real thing (from outside events and from a chemical / anatomical point of view) - whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant.

Lol ok. So me and you are talking together right now because some balls of gas in the universe that came out of nowhere somehow blew up and made everything how it is.

Different species developed at random and the human anatomy works the way it does by luck. Yea good talk .

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Yea and their are also scientists who believe in the big bang theory.

Quote me and debate me on the subject if you want. Just because there are people who put time into research doesnt mean the research is right. People spend their lives researching and trying to prove Big Foot is real.


Just because somebody has a degree doesnt make them smart. I have 4 summer helpers who all go to universities and are 4 of the dumbest kids i have ever met.

You realize my whole problem with everything is the Doctors or prescribe anti depressants and misdiagnose children with depression right? That is my problem. THen you bring up Marijuana which is something i am for.

Pro Marijuana Not Pro pills and medication.


Stop reading my posts as me being insensitive and actually read what i am saying. Maybe im not the best at explaining my point of view, but im not being insensitive at all.

There's a reason why scientists believe in the big bang -- because it is real.

Depression is a real thing (from outside events and from a chemical / anatomical point of view) - whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant.

Lol ok. So me and you are talking together right now because some balls of gas in the universe that came out of nowhere somehow blew up and made everything how it is.

Different species developed at random and the human anatomy works the way it does by luck. Yea good talk .

You might wanna read up on it a bit, bud, and lay off the biblical texts. When you take into account everything that you said on depression and now the big bang, the bold is very ironic.