Knicks Record Prediction

[Carl_Karlson]

...because he will be gone otherwise. He's not tanking again.

And go to LA, right? All defeated and p*ssy whipped?

I think Phil has a contingency plan in place for the team. He's got to be aware that finishing in 9th or 10th place is a realistic prediction.

And Rose doesn't have to be traded. He can be waived or bought out

I never said he was going to LA. I don't care where he goes, but he's not tanking again. He can't.

Waiving Rose doesn't remove Melo, Noah, KP and possibly Lee.

I disagree that he can't tank again.

The fanbase and Dolan knows Phil is taking a calculated risk with Rose and Noah and their precarious health.

Since we finally own our pick, fans would be accepting, and later, ecstatic to get a dawg to pair with KP who will hit their primes when LeBron and the Dubs are wrapping up their dominace

[GONYK]

And go to LA, right? All defeated and p*ssy whipped?

I think Phil has a contingency plan in place for the team. He's got to be aware that finishing in 9th or 10th place is a realistic prediction.

And Rose doesn't have to be traded. He can be waived or bought out

I never said he was going to LA. I don't care where he goes, but he's not tanking again. He can't.

Waiving Rose doesn't remove Melo, Noah, KP and possibly Lee.

I disagree that he can't tank again.

The fanbase and Dolan knows Phil is taking a calculated risk with Rose and Noah and their precarious health.

Since we finally own our pick, fans would be accepting, and later, ecstatic to get a dawg to pair with KP who will hit their primes when LeBron and the Dubs are wrapping up their dominace

I'm not saying he's not allowed to tank. I'm saying he can't.

He can't get rid of our starting lineup at the deadline like he did the first time we tanked.

Melo - NTC
Noah - Aging on a long-term deal
KP - Obvious
Rose - Can be bought out, but won't be, and losing him alone won't make a huge difference.
Lee - Probably the only movable one, but still won't make a huge difference in isolation.

[Carl_Karlson]

I never said he was going to LA. I don't care where he goes, but he's not tanking again. He can't.

Waiving Rose doesn't remove Melo, Noah, KP and possibly Lee.

I disagree that he can't tank again.

The fanbase and Dolan knows Phil is taking a calculated risk with Rose and Noah and their precarious health.

Since we finally own our pick, fans would be accepting, and later, ecstatic to get a dawg to pair with KP who will hit their primes when LeBron and the Dubs are wrapping up their dominace

I'm not saying he's not allowed to tank. I'm saying he can't.

He can't get rid of our starting lineup at the deadline like he did the first time we tanked.

Melo - NTC
Noah - Aging on a long-term deal
KP - Obvious
Rose - Can be bought out, but won't be, and losing him alone won't make a huge difference.
Lee - Probably the only movable one, but still won't make a huge difference in isolation.

By that logic, Phil's already given up. Content to just see what happens since he'll be gone at the end of the season

[GONYK]

I disagree that he can't tank again.

The fanbase and Dolan knows Phil is taking a calculated risk with Rose and Noah and their precarious health.

Since we finally own our pick, fans would be accepting, and later, ecstatic to get a dawg to pair with KP who will hit their primes when LeBron and the Dubs are wrapping up their dominace

I'm not saying he's not allowed to tank. I'm saying he can't.

He can't get rid of our starting lineup at the deadline like he did the first time we tanked.

Melo - NTC
Noah - Aging on a long-term deal
KP - Obvious
Rose - Can be bought out, but won't be, and losing him alone won't make a huge difference.
Lee - Probably the only movable one, but still won't make a huge difference in isolation.

By that logic, Phil's already given up. Content to just see what happens since he'll be gone at the end of the season

I don't think he'll leave either way, but this is his team for the rest of his time here. The big wildcard is Rose, and the potential use of cap if we let him go, but otherwise the pieces are pretty fixed.

[Carl_Karlson]

I'm not saying he's not allowed to tank. I'm saying he can't.

He can't get rid of our starting lineup at the deadline like he did the first time we tanked.

Melo - NTC
Noah - Aging on a long-term deal
KP - Obvious
Rose - Can be bought out, but won't be, and losing him alone won't make a huge difference.

By that logic, Phil's already given up. Content to just see what happens since he'll be gone at the end of the season

I don't think he'll leave either way, but this is his team for the rest of his time here. The big wildcard is Rose, and the potential use of cap if we let him go, but otherwise the pieces are pretty fixed.

I see what you're saying and it makes sense.

However, if we're around or below .500 at the all star break, I wouldn't be surprised to see Phil make a move or 2 to facilitate a tank.

Teams have had fire sales in the past. And I'm saying it should be on the table if the team sucks or can't stay healthy

[god shammgod]

phil can't tear the team up every year. if this fails, he's finished.

[Sark]

Continually saying they will not be healthy is its own form of Homerism

You could say you have your doubts about their staying healthy, but you repeatedly say with absolute certainty that they will not and that totally sucks

I don't think there is a team in the history of sports that has stayed healthy all year long. There will be injuries and time missed of players on every single team this year, including our beloved Bockers. The question is how bad the injuries will be, and how many games will it cost us.

Bad juju to guarantee injury to specific players though. Some here don't care. They just go on hexing the players.

There's a difference between hedging your expectations and guaranteeing injury which is a very bogus attitude and a bad vibe

None of that is real nor has any real impact on what actually happens.

[Capn'O]

phil can't tear the team up every year. if this fails, he's finished.

What? You think Dolan's gonna interrupt his recording session to fire him? Album Lucky Seven???

[god shammgod]

phil can't tear the team up every year. if this fails, he's finished.

What? You think Dolan's gonna interrupt his recording session to fire him? Album Lucky Seven???

i don't even know who he can trade at the deadline to be honest. if noah is playing well we'll probably be good enough to make the playoffs. if not who's gonna take him ? melo has to give his ok. rose is an expiring. so who then...courtney lee ? it's as gonyk said, the pieces are pretty fixed.

[Capn'O]

phil can't tear the team up every year. if this fails, he's finished.

What? You think Dolan's gonna interrupt his recording session to fire him? Album Lucky Seven???

i don't even know who he can trade at the deadline to be honest. if noah is playing well we'll probably be good enough to make the playoffs. if not who's gonna take him ? melo has to give his ok. rose is an expiring. so who then...courtney lee ? it's as gonyk said, the pieces are pretty fixed.

Yeah - the idea of deliberate tanking is not gonna happen. There is a possibility that guys get hurt (or Rose is just ineffective and other guys get hurt) and the Knicks are really bad.

But, and let's be real, Courtney Lee ain't gonna be that difference. Any trades will be minor unless Melo asks out because the team is bad.

[seren]

We are half assing as usual. I just don't get it with this team. We could have kept Galloway with zero salary impact. He would have been a decent fourth guard and a great injury insurance. But we didn't. Why? We went ahead and got three injury prone big minute players with no decent backup option. Great to have Noah, but he is an injury risk. You need to get a decent veteran backup in case. Great to have young guys, but if that is the route you are taking go get young veterans along who don't have injury histories.

[K_ick_God]

phil can't tear the team up every year. if this fails, he's finished.

Still you can't get him on stubbornness. Learning and redrawing the gameplan quickly has its own benefits.

The D does have to come together in a significant way. Seems like they can score. If they can develop consistent defense, they'll be pretty watchable. I am skeptical of that though.

[RHODEY]

We are half assing as usual. I just don't get it with this team. We could have kept Galloway with zero salary impact. He would have been a decent fourth guard and a great injury insurance. But we didn't. Why? We went ahead and got three injury prone big minute players with no decent backup option. Great to have Noah, but he is an injury risk. You need to get a decent veteran backup in case. Great to have young guys, but if that is the route you are taking go get young veterans along who don't have injury histories.

So are you saying our young guys have injury histories? Are you referring to Jennings - who looks completely recovered, or N'dour who is our 15th guy off the bench? and I'm Not sure what you mean by "half assing". We got loads of depth and young talent with ZERO draft picks . I think Phil did a fine job here considering what he had to work with.

[ozwizard8]

Last year, we were once 21-22 or sth like that. Melo got injured, Kp hit the rookie wall and we losted our momentum.
I think we're much better team than last years team. So i predict 46-50 wins for this season.
I know its optimistic but i dont think its delusional. I'm trying to not act like homer but this team looks really good on paper.

Hornacek's offense and improved PG rotation would help us to get easy points, wins in the season. I think our frontcourt is slightly better. Its now 2nd year of KP, Noah is better player than RoLo.
New European players, C.Lee, L.Thomas all looks good.

Last year team was able to get .500 level with Calderon&Fisher. Now we have both better offensive system&coach and better guards. 0,550-0.600 level isnt far reach goal for us.
Some minor injuries along the road are expected but i think we could still win 46-50 games. I predict Melo to miss 10 games, Rose 20 games, Noah 25 games.

[CJackson]

I don't think there is a team in the history of sports that has stayed healthy all year long. There will be injuries and time missed of players on every single team this year, including our beloved Bockers. The question is how bad the injuries will be, and how many games will it cost us.

Bad juju to guarantee injury to specific players though. Some here don't care. They just go on hexing the players.

There's a difference between hedging your expectations and guaranteeing injury which is a very bogus attitude and a bad vibe

None of that is real nor has any real impact on what actually happens.

You are not real (Don't let the bed bugs bite)

[nykfan42]

47-35. Obviously a playoff team and between a 4-6 seed assuming Noah and Rose are healthy of course too.

[br7knicks]

i had 36 or 38, i forget

[blueNorange]

Sure we do KUZ gives you scoring without the bone head plays

These are some of the people on our bench last year:

Jerian Grant
Kevin Seraphin
Cleanthony Early
Lou Amundson
Thanasis Antetokounmpo
Jimmer Fredette


We have a VASTLYimproved bench.

lmaoo you named people that got signed when the other got cut.

derrick williams is better than anyone on this current knicks bench, so no it's not vastly improved at all.

OMG Derrick Williams is better? No wonder I ignored u (except seeing this), you make no logical sense

way to explain why this bench is better than last year

[blueNorange]

lmaoo you named people that got signed when the other got cut.

derrick williams is better than anyone on this current knicks bench, so no it's not vastly improved at all.

OMG Derrick Williams is better? No wonder I ignored u (except seeing this), you make no logical sense

yeah that is OMG material. what a dingus thing to say

yet again you insult me, yet i've never insulted you.

but who's the troll?

[DickGrayson]

45 wins